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(FT3) Olympus PEN-F rumored to use the new Sony 20 Megapixel sensor

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A trusted source “heard” the PEN-F uses a new sensor. He cannot confirm with 100% certainity but the PEN-F it should feature the new Sony 20 Megapixel MFT sensor. Specs can be seen on the Sony image above (20MP, 27 fps).


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  • Nelson

    Good news if it’s true. The current sensor start to be a bit old.

    • Yun

      No a bit old but TOO OLD .
      5 years old sensor to compete in 2016 ?
      No Way !

      • Mk.82

        Sorry but the “same 16Mpix” sensor has gone multiple generations and even different manufacturers! It isn’t same by anything else than megapixel amount!
        The latest 16Mpix is from 2014 that Olympus use, only a little over 1 year old!

        And you don’t see any difference on normal print sizes or image sizes on screen in normal viewing distances between “5 year old sensor” and latest Sony A7r II!

        It is only gear heads who thinks that newer tech improves their photographic skills, gear heads like you!

        • woof woof

          “And you don’t see any difference on normal print sizes or image sizes on screen in normal viewing distances between “5 year old sensor” and latest Sony A7r II!”
          Then you must be doing something wrong or taking pictures in very undemanding conditions.
          I see differences between my GX7 and A7 (and I’m not just talking about the highest ISO’s) and I’m sure that the A7rII will do at least as good and show at least as much difference.

          • Mr.Chainsaw

            You can clearly identify the A7 image by having less sharpness because of the meh lenses ;)

        • umad?!

          it’s the same 16MP IMX109 that was first introduced with the EM5 nearly 4 years ago and which is just a scaled version of an 2010 APS-C sensor.

          But keep dreaming ;)

          • Ross

            Where is the 16MP IMX159 sensor being used then?

      • bozo

        How old are you? Do you think you can still compete? ;)

      • Fact

        What to say about the share leader Canon?
        If you can’t take a good picture with THAT AGED SENSOR, a new one will not make it for you dude.
        Likely you have to enhance your skills.

      • Mr.Chainsaw

        Why is it too old?
        It delivers awesome IQ for all my needs. I would not even think about an upgrade if my E-M5 would not have caught some dust behind the anti-dust shield… :(
        On the other hand I would only upgrade if there is a significant jump in IQ, even though I do not need it actually. But I also do not want to waste money.

        So we should rather be happy that there is no need to buy a new body every year :)
        And I don’t know what these complainers want. I can happily shoot ISO 3200 and do not see any noise on the largest prints I have done so far.

        If people really need more than that, maybe they should think about a different system or how to add light to your picture…

  • Yun

    That’s right , new sensor for new line camera to compete against rivals .
    Now attention is on the look of the new PEN .
    If Oly can come out handsome or gorgeous PEN ,
    it definitely kill that ugly & bulky GX8 for sure .

    • George

      Only if it gives as many great features as GX-8 got. Oly Pen line is poorly featured, I am affraid it will be same here, just “retro” stylish cam but with many limits. Hope not.

      • Cliff Wolfstenhammer

        Yep this is the concern with the PENs and the reason why they faded out. They always looked the part but lacked substance. Hopefully Oly will rectify this although I’m half fearing another selfie camera.

        • Bob B.

          I am am Oly fan…but/and…what you say is true. Oly was on the right track with the EP5. Let’s hope that they are taking it to the next level here or only girls in Japan (and Steve Huff), will be buying the camera.

          • Mr.Chainsaw

            True, but still I do not understand why they did not lunch a version with integrated EVF on the side…

      • guest

        Just curious how the Pen line is ‘poorly featured’ and ‘lacked substance’ (in the response below). Compare the GX7 to the EP5; GX7 has NFC, built in viewfinder & superior video. EP5 has better stabilization, (optional) superior viewfinder, faster shoot rate & more focus points.

        The PM2 and PL5 was targeted at a different audience, but I don’t see how you get to that conclusion on the EP5.

        • PBR

          Both cameras are well featured, but in real world use the Panasonic is a much faster shooter (not an issue if your shooting style is more deliberate).

        • George

          GX7 has more usefull features than EP5 including two dials (back and front) and direct fn buttons and Custom modes, etc.. EP5 is a poorly featured toy for girls, not for street shooters i.e, I can’t understand why one can put EP5 on the same level as GX7 which stays 2 classes higher. EP5 is camera for fun and girls, it’s not serious photo gun. I am affraid Pen F will be similar.

          • Rchard

            Have you really seen an EP-5? The EP-5 has two dials (back and front) and one Fn button. The EP-5 is almost identical to an EM-5 but with a different body.

          • guest

            I own a GX7. Yes it’s a great camera, and yes there are more fn buttons, but the fact that you’re not aware of the dual control dials and the 2×2 switch on the EP5 tells me that you’ve never even picked one up.

            And Olympus is known for one of the most customizable menu systems of any maker.

            I don’t know what “2 classes higher” constitutes in your ranking system, but perhaps you should try indulging in more fun and girls. You may like it.

      • Bob B.

        The GX8 is a very good camera…I just wish it was smaller…I am looking for a secondary camera, not a primary in a rangefinder style. I want the grips on my EM1 and EM5II when I have larger lenses on the camera like the 7-14mm f/2.8 pro or the 40-150mm f/2.8 Pro. I prefer and grip with battery holder when using the larger lenses.

    • Narretz

      Who cares if the camera is ugly if it does the job. You clearly don’t need a new camera, you just want one.

      • Chuck von Churchill

        A lot of people will care if it’s ugly. As function oriented as people claim to be, aesthetics still matter. Do you care if your photos are ugly? Or as long as they look like something, is that ok?

        • Pink

          For me, that’s a specious argument, but maybe you are in advertising or work taking yearbook photos for high school kids. My photography is not about making “pretty pictures”, and yes, some of my most compelling photographs are far from “pretty”.

  • lorenz82

    Good news! …any info about body size?

  • Laz

    Does the Pana GX8 already use that Sony IMX269 sensor (it’s rumored to but I couldn’t find any confirmation)?
    I hope not because it’s disappointing compared to the current 16mp 4/3 sensors: http://www.dxomark.com/Cameras/Compare/Side-by-side/Panasonic-Lumix-DMC-GX8-versus-Olympus-OM-D-E-M5-Mark-II___1041_1006
    You’d expect more improvement considering that the 16mp 4/3 sensors are already several years old…

    • Mk.82

      Not several, latest 16Mpix sensor came out 2015 in E-M5 II. It is next gen 16Mpix sensor. Not the same as that first 16Mpix m4/3 cameras came out.

      Megapixel amount != proof that all sensor are same old ones.

      • Laz

        The OM-D E-M5 that came out in 2012 has almost the same DXO score as the OM-D E-M5 II that came out in 2015… so yeah the Mark II might use a newer revision of the 16mp sensor but it still has pretty much the same image quality!

        • bozo

          “same image quality” by DXO standards, don’t forget that point.
          Is DXO THE standard, that’s another story… ;)

          • Laz

            Well do you have a better standard than DXO then? Please share it with us and let’s see if their comparaison has a different conclusion than DXO…

            I own both the OM-D E-M5 and the OM-D E-M5 II and what I see with my own eyes confirms the results of DXO…

            • bozo

              Your eyes are YOUR standard for what YOU see.
              From the measure of DXO, axed on Color Depth, DR and Low-light ISO, tested from THEIR methodology, you have THEIR results. That’s THEIR standard.
              See what I mean? Before telescope, stars where only small light dots in the dark sky…
              The question isn’t if I have a better standard to propose, the question is “Is DXO THE standard”…

              • Laz

                My experience with both cameras (and taking photos is my job, I’ve used the cameras on a daily basis since they came out… that’s hundreds of thousands of photos!) confirms what DXO says: the OM-D E-M5 and the OM-D E-M5 II have pretty much the same IQ.

                Do you disagree with that? If yes then we’ll have to agree to disagree… If not then what’s the point of this conversation?

                • Oliver

                  I agree with Laz. E-M5 and E-M5 II have pretty much identical IQ.

                • bozo

                  Standard: Something used as a measure, norm, or model in comparative evaluations
                  So by your experience, they have “pretty much” the same IQ. And from “DXO standard”, they have pretty much the same IQ.
                  If the standard takes in account frame/s rate, or MP, those 2 sensors are really different.
                  Add to this that “the way to measure is as important as what you intend to measure”, and you’ll understand what I mean.
                  It’s not that I disagree with you, you see?

                • anonymousse

                  The point of any Internet conversation is to beat down anyone who disagrees with you. LOL

            • Andrei

              In my eye DXO lost all it’s credibility after seeing some of it’s lens test results.
              I prefer to judge with my own eyes by seeing test images.

              And if a sensor has the same noise and dynamic range as the previous one but higher resolution that is an improvement.

              • Bob B.

                Look… I am not a fan of DX schmO either…but what Laz is saying is essentially true no matter how you measure it.

            • Bob B.

              It is disappointing, but the EM5II Is still a very slick camera and when used carefully can create great images. There is that! I was hoping for a significant change in the sensor in 2016, though.
              :-(

              • Laz

                Of course it can create great images, I love it and use it professionally on a daily basis…

        • Bob B.

          I still love that camera, though.

          • Laz

            I love both of them! And a camera is not just the sensor (the Mark II has many other improvements) but I still don’t think it’s too much or crazy to ask for the 2016 m4/3 cameras to have better IQ (dynamic range, low-light ISO and color depth) than the 2012 m4/3 cameras, even if the new sensor has 4mp more…

            • Bob B.

              I agree…it is disappointing. …but think of all the money we will save!

        • Not unique to m43

          Then go buy a D750 or D810 or D7200 or D4S all with vastly improved DXO IQ than their D600 / D800 / D7100 / D4 2012/2013 predecessor…ooops, I take that back, just checked DXO and there is no IQ improvement…extremely disappointing.

          • Laz

            I’m happy with my current Olympus mirrorless cameras and would never go back to a dslr.

            But, depending on their specs and IQ, I might buy the future Sony A7 III or A7R III instead of the Oly E-M1 II or E-M5 III (the new generation 48mp ff sensor looks good and is an improvement compared to ff sensor that came out four years before it).

          • Sakaphoto Graphics

            The D7200 has a Sony sensor instead of the Toshiba sensor in the D7100 and it’s better but not clearly better. The image processor is the only thing that makes the clear difference.

            Nope, I guess I just got a correction: http://nikonrumors.com/2015/12/16/list-of-all-nikon-dslr-cameras-and-their-sensor-manufacturerdesigner.aspx/#more-100118

      • Turbofrog

        It’s hard to find any evidence – by looking at images or measurements – that the sensor is the E-M5 II is different from the one that debuted in the E-M5. Slightly different image processing, yes. Sensor? Almost definitely the same.

        As far as the DXOMark numbers, they have wildly different numbers for the E-M5, E-PM2, E-PL5, E-M10, and E-M5 II all of which have the same sensor. Sensors have sample variation the same way that lenses do. Solar cell manufacturers, CPU manufacturers, and all kinds of other industries that work with silicon recognize this and they test and bin (sort) the different sensors based on their performance and then sell them in different product lines. The interchangeable camera industry is simply too small to merit that kind of practice.

    • Mark Lavrijsen

      Its the best performing 43rds sensor by the same margion as the resolution jump.
      Dxomark says nothing in terms of IQ and resolution. A 1 mpix sensor would score the same. In fact, it would score better because of the noice properties.

      • Laz

        The resolution increase is only 4mp… but the dynamic range, low-light ISO and color depth are pretty much the same according to DXO.
        That would mean that the 2016 Oly cameras will have pretty much the same IQ (dynamic range, low-light ISO and color depth) as their 2012 cameras… very disappointing!

        • bozo

          25% more MP, not loosing ISO performance or color-depht… Is it that disappointing?
          Don’t forget the increase in frame rate 27 vs 23 frames/s according to the chart posted in the news…

          • Laz

            You are just paraphrasing what I said… so yes: having 4mp more but still pretty much the same dynamic range, low-light ISO and color depth FOUR years later would be very disappointing!

            • Bob B.

              If the PEN F has the same sensor as the GX8, I agree with you Laz. If I have to “super-micro-pixel-peep” to see any advantage…it is not the new sensor that I ( and Yun) have been looking for. Certainly not a compelling reason to purchase a new camera body, right?

              • Laz

                We still don’t know whether the GX8 uses that Sony sensor… hopefully not :D

                • Bob B.

                  oh…I did not know that. It would be funny if OLY put a better sensor in the little PEN! :-)

                • Blazing Lazers

                  Canon, Sigma, and Leica use their own sensors. Fact, Sony owns the rest. Why is that so hard for people to understand?

                  • Sakaphoto Graphics

                    Canon’s latest 50MP apparently uses some Sony technology, but it’s still Canon’s.

                    • Blazing Lazers

                      What did I say?

                  • SteveHood

                    Wrong again. Panasonic and Olympus are currently using Panasonic sensors. GX8 is also likely using a Panasonic sensor.

                    • Blazing Lazers

                      It seems you missed the last two years of semiconductor news. Panasonic doesn’t even make sensors anymore, are you aware of that?

                    • Ross

                      Olympus are only using a Panasonic sensor in the E-M1 & Sony sensors in all the rest since E-M5.

          • Mk.82

            You get 25% more Megapixels, but only a 12.5% higher resolution, and that is NOTHING.

            To see get a visible difference for prints, you need to have 2 times larger resolution, or 4 times more megapixels. Then you get difference like printer gets 600DPI instead 300DPI, and even then the difference is negligent unless you use magnifying class and you can compare the prints side by side.

            The real benefit comes in cropping, but same time you lower your capability to use any other aperture than widest open as diffraction hits so quickly.

      • SteveHood

        I would disagree. Go to DXOMark and when comparing the charts switch to the screen tab. This Screen tab shows the pixel level results. The GX8 is noticeably worse than the 16mp sensor.

        I am hoping that the GX8 uses a new Panasonic sensor and that we have not seen the new Sony sensor yet. Don’t forget that Panasonic introduced their own 16mp sensor (G3) about 9 months before the Sony 16mp (E-M5). I would not be surprised if Panasonic did the same thing again.

        Based on the latest Sony APS-C sensor scores (87 for D7200), a Sony m43 sensor should score around 80 at DXOMark.

        Olympus has already commented that the GX8 sensor is not good enough and they are waiting for something better.

        http://www.focus-numerique.com/test-2742/interview-Haruo-Ogawa-olympus-1.html

        “It’s true that Panasonic already uses a sensor 4/3 “20 megapixel, but for us, there are still some problems. When we are satisfied management of electronic noise, then we can consider its use.”

        • Blazing Lazers

          That last quote translates: “Panasonic gets all Sony parts 6 months before us”.

        • Sakaphoto Graphics

          The sensor in the GX8 has a higher pixel density than the sensor in the D7200. In reality, I’m not noticing a huge difference between the D7200, GX8, GH4, or E-M1.

  • BdV

    There will be a time I look back, longing for that good old 16mp retro sensor. Better be careful and make it last as long as possible.

  • Enzojz

    So certainly we will see something that will appear on E-M1 II, taken E-P5 and E-M1 as reference.

    • Turbofrog

      The E-M1 II will likely still have a different sensor, though, as it likely needs to support PDAF.

      Maybe this new Sony sensor will have OSPDAF, though, in which case they could use it on both cameras. That would be a big win for Olympus.

      • TheTree

        I would say that sensor with OSPDAF in every Olympus body (from low-end to hi-end) will be a big win for customers (us). In 2016 they can’t afford to make cameras without it because of competition and higher pricing. PDAF was a special feature for hi-end bodies “in early years of mirrorless era”. Now it is a must if they want to overshadow DSLRs.

        • Caver Dave

          At the current level of technology I do like how OSPDAF works. Still it just might be possible that Olympus has new AF technology in the works for the E-M1 Mkii, that doesn’t use OSPDAF. Atleast back when the E-M1 was released I believe I read an interview with an Olympus official that seems to hint that OSPDAF was just a stop-gap until the next generation AF is ready.

          • Mk.82

            Yes, Olympus said that they use PDAF only as “bridge” for 4/3 lens owners to get to m4/3 system.

            So you have those HG and SHG 4/3 lenses and still using E-30, E-5 etc? Get the E-M1 and you can still use the lenses!
            Now you have m4/3 body, so you start investing to lenses again, you got the 12-40mm with E-M1, then you bought the 40-150mm to replace the 50-200mm in daily use and then you got 7-14mm to replace the SHG f/4 variant.

            You full PRO lineup to cover basically everything in most common situations, still required to have 50-200mm with 2x teleconverter (100-400mm) but there is coming a change (150-400mm f/4 PRO zoom) that will make m4/3 system worth to use.

            And finally PDAF is abandoned when the CDAF has improved enough to offer same or better performance than PDAF does. Panasonic DFD is just a begin and while not as good as E-M1 in S-AF and C-AF, it is excellent technology.

            • Sakaphoto Graphics

              The E-5 and those lenses is really good, whereas the E-M1 and those lenses is acceptable. Sure, you have a better sensor, but the body really doesn’t work that well with them.

          • Mark Ellsworth

            PDAF will continue to have an advantage for continuous AF because it is the only AF technology that goes directly to the focus point in one shot. CDAF must hunt, a tricky it has learned to to quickly with fast stepper motors. Panasonic is on record for bad-mouthing OSPDAF. Although not true, they claim sacrificing the odd green pixel for PD-use decreases pixel quality at those locations. They are betting on DFD as a means to expedite CDAF. Olympus E-M1 offers oddly named “dual fast” AF on all μ4/3 lenses as long as camera is set for continuous AF. On single AF, OSPDAF is only used for old Zuiko DSLR lenses.

  • TheTree

    “He cannot confirm with 100% certainity but the PEN-F it should feature the new Sony 20 Megapixel MFT sensor.”
    This is pure admin’s speculation to start discussion. The source only “heard” about new sensor. That’s all.

    • Nope. It’s the source who said it’s the Sony. Not me!

      • MrALLCAPS

        So they’re going to introduce a new sensor in a series that has been selling terribly for them lately…

        Click bait post, this is all that it is…

        • Turbofrog

          In order to get economies of scale, Olympus needs to order hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of these sensors. That’s also why Olympus has been recycling the same 16MP sensor for half a decade. Unlike Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, and Canon, Olympus doesn’t manufacture their own sensors, so they need to deal with external suppliers like Sony and this is the consequence of that arrangement.

          Ultimately, it doesn’t matter when they introduce this 20MP sensor. It might as well be in a “new” product line with a bang. Don’t worry, it will end up in every single other Olympus product within a year or two. Using it in the PEN F doesn’t make it any “worse” when it also comes to the OM-D. Just the same way that no one complained when the E-PM2 got the same sensor as the new E-M5 shortly afterwards.

      • TheTree

        Good. At least there is high chance that Olympus will squeeze out from the sensor more than Panasonic. And the way to 4K with Sony sensor is open.

    • All 106 of these comments are pure speculation. Including this one.

    • I.Martin

      That is only made by Sony, but this have Panasonic tec.

  • I would be interested in learning more as things firm up. I’m not opposed to more megapixels, so long as I don’t lose any ground in other areas of sensor performance. But on the whole, this isn’t something that would increase the pressure on me to upgrade from my E-M10!

    • Jules

      20mgpix on a 43 sensor, the need for a low pass filter may be next to none.

      • TheTree

        There is no low pass filter on current Sony 16MPx sensor.

        • Turbofrog

          That’s still up for debate. No solid answer or evidence either way.

  • Duarte Bruno

    Does this mean that we’ll finally have half decent video?

    • umad?!

      no. the GH3 had the same sensor as the Em5 and looking at the video you can see: it has nothing to do with the sensor

    • The Master

      Possibly, Olympus upped the video game with the E-M5 II. More i expected from the E-M1 II.

  • dvdivx

    So when are camera makers going to focus on low light performance rather than megapixels? Sounds like they are confusing the cellphone market with the semipro and pro level camera market which isn’t good.

    • Sakaphoto Graphics

      The Sony A7S was the first new model to tout incredible low light performance, and the A7S Mk II seems to go further, although the DxOMark scores aren’t all that flattering.

      • Mk.82

        Those cameras are for the video use, not to still photography.

        The DXO marks are gimmick, they have no basis what so ever to be used in any valuation.

        Take different m4/3 cameras with the same generation (and even same) 16Mpix sensors and you get huge difference to their scores, even between like 5Mpix and 13Mpix difference with the 75mm f/1.8!
        Like do you really believe that E-PL7 with 16Mpix sensor and E-M1 with 16Mpix sensor are so different with same 75mm f/1.8 that PEN is only capable to capture 5Mpix and E-M1 only a 13Mpix?

        • Sakaphoto Graphics

          Let me put it this way–there is a good reason that I don’t use their software. I don’t trust them.

          They use the DxoMark information to tune their software to various equipment.

    • krisak

      Agreed. I’d like m43 for video (all those nice, cheap lenses), but without competitive high-ISO sensor tech, I might as well go FF.

      • I have both the wonderfully fun and competent E-P5, and a Sony A7. While I don’t use the A7 nearly enough to render judgement, I’m more than happy with ISO up to 3200 on the Olympus, and can’t find that purportedly superior quality on the Sony yet.

    • Turbofrog

      Why do people always present this false dichotomy? Time and time again, it has been demonstrated that more megapixels do not inherent reduce low light performance. The A7S, everyone’s favourite low-light camera, is no better than the 42MP A7r II up to about ISO 12800 when it’s downsampled to the same 12MP resolution.

      If you are regularly shooting at ISO 12800, you are probably using the wrong equipment, or in an extremely niche line of work. Get a faster lens, or a decent off camera flash and modifier.

      Not to mention, the A7S equivalent in M4/3 land would be 3 megapixels…

      The fact is, all the sensor engineers are doing their hardest to increase ISO performance and dynamic range. That’s where the money is, so those are by far the greatest weaknesses on smartphone sensors, which is where all the new sensor sales are coming from.

      However, at this technical juncture, that’s a really, really hard problem to crack. Progress is incredibly slow. So instead, we have engineers improving sensors in other ways, by increasing MP count with no degradation in ISO or DR performance. Something for nothing. That happens to be an easier problem to solve, especially with newer sensor architectures like BSI, that have essentially 100% photosensitive fill factor, so MP count is largely a non issue…

      • anonymousse

        The sensor in my camera is capable of recording total darkness as pure black.

        • Turbofrog

          So?

          • David

            He’s joking. It’s sarcasm.

        • uniquename72

          Do you often take pictures in total darkness. Your Flickr stream must be fascinating. /s

          • Ross

            It’d be perfect for photographing a black cat on a black couch in the dark at midnight! ;)

        • Hmm, something must be wrong with my camera because it renders total darkness as neutral gray. Should I send it in for repair?

          • Ross

            No. Just don’t expose for as long! :D

    • uniquename72

      My EM-10 low-light performance is WAY better than my EPL-2 low-light performance. More than double the usable ISO, with MUCH more natural-looking grain over ISO1600.

      So I’d say they’re focusing on both.

      • Ross

        Your E-M10 is using the later 16MP Sony sensor (that first came in the E-M5) while the E-PL2 is using that old 12MP Panasonic sensor that first came out with the E30 DSLR. That was just a case of Olympus being stuck with using the leftovers from Panasonic (so to speak as Panasonic was using improved sensors in their own cameras then) & then with the E-M5 were able to get the ‘up to date’ & much better performing tech from Sony. BTW, Sony sensors have better on chip noise reduction circuitry whereas the Panasonic sensors (as in the E-M1 & GH4) don’t & rely more on Dark Frame Subtraction for long exposures.

    • The Master

      And where do you define low light performance? With film, I never went above ISO800. The digital cameras today are far superior at ISO3200 than film at ISO800. The focus should be overall performance. Most professional shooting is done in good light.

    • Mark Ellsworth

      Full Frame DOES focus on low light performance. So does Medium Format. In the crop frame market (APS-C and 4/3) we are very fortunate to have good 3200 ISO results. Fast lenses spare you the need to every use it.

  • CN

    Why would any MFT camera going forward not use the latest sensor?

    • SteveHood

      Panasonic stuck with their own 16mp sensor in the past. First with the G3, then switching to Sony sensor for GH3 and then going back to their own sensor with the GH4/GX7. It is probably cheaper for Panasonic to use their own sensor whenever they can.

      • Turbofrog

        Yes, but likely not so with Olympus, since they do not have their own fabs in order to save on cost. Unless they still have a large inventory of the 16MP sensors, there would be no penalty to using the new sensor for all their models.

        It would be a shame if they still had a lot of 16MP sensors that they need to get rid of or write down…not good for business. Still, the cost of the sensor is only a small percent of the overall cost of development and manufacture and marketing of a new camera body. Surely they should try and maximize sales by putting out the best product they can that will best appeal to the market.

        Putting a cheaper sensor in to save costs is cutting off your nose to spite your face…

        • Sakaphoto Graphics

          Olympus can put them all in the Air A01, since it’s for experimentation.

        • SteveHood

          Olympus has been the first to use Sony 4/3 sensors in the past. I expect they will be the first again to use Sony 20mp sensors.

          • Turbofrog

            Possibly true. We still don’t know if the 20MP sensor in the GX8 is from Panasonic or Sony. The fact that Olympus used the 16MP Sony sensor in the E-M5 first may be incidental, though – if Panasonic wanted a breakthrough for the GX8 and Olympus didn’t have anything exciting in the pipeline when the sensor was finished development, it would be no surprise to me if they got it first instead.

            • SteveHood

              Anything is possible but I don’t see the GX8 sensor as a breakthrough.

              • Olly

                No, it won’t be a breakthrough until Olympus uses it.

              • Kinson Cheng

                What do you expect? Breakthrough of what? Reaching aps-c level?

            • Mark Ellsworth

              Agreed. No breakthrough, although there was a bit of worry that the 20 megapixel sensor would be slightly noisier than the 16, the comparison between the GX7 and GX8 did not bear this out.

          • Blazing Lazers

            Panasonic, in exchange for selling Tower Jazz, contracted a 6 month lead on all Sony sensors shipping for m43… why is this so hard to understand?

            • Narretz

              Because there’s no evidence for that?

              • Blazing Lazers

                Fuji X-pro2 and Pen announced 6 months to the day after GX8? Both with upgraded Sony sensors. When that happens on Jan. 6, will you apologize to me?

          • Kinson Cheng

            Um….GX8?

      • CN

        But the IQ of the GH4 and GX7 sensors surpassed. Ie they used the latest and best sensor in most new models. Olympus has done this to a greater degree.

  • Boston C

    Thou shalt honor thy tradition, use the 1/2 sized film!

  • Tom

    Why is the M4/3 sensor only 20 MP, where as Sony’s 1-inch sensor is 20 MP as well. Shouldn’t we have the M4/3 sensor to be at least 24MP. Now, Sony’s new 1-inch sensor has memory as part of the sensor for faster readout. How come Sony ain’t producing those types for 4/3’s? It seems that Olympus is Panasonic’s and Sony’s BIT*H!

    • Ross

      I can’t see the 20MP 1″ & 4/3’s sensor (BTW, it’s not a M4/3’s sensor) having the same IQ output though (dynamic range & high ISO).

    • The Master

      In a word, performance. This 4/3 sensor will out perform the 1″ across the board.

    • Mark Ellsworth

      Pixel Math: 16 megapixels on 4/3 grants 14 square micros per photodiode. 20 megapixels grants 11.25 square microns. 1-inch grants a mere 5.8 square microns, why 1-inch cannot do 1600 ISO terribly well.

      Fab Tech: Sony has BSI and stacked BSI operating on Full Frame and 1-inch sensors.

      Fab Business: Sony will soon have stacked BSI operating on APS-C and 4/3 formats too.

      Fab Mysteries: in spite of part numbers painted on sensors from which you think you can deduce WHO is fabbing the FourThirds sensors, both Olympus and Panasonic are very tight-lipped about the actual source. While is it common to opine that the E-M1 and E-M5 have Sony-fabbed sensors while the E-M10 is thought to have a Panasonic-fabbed sensor, the performance and end-result is different by less than you can measure in a batch of sensors from one fabber.

      Fibbers Anonymous: It is likely that all of the 4/3 sensors come out the front and back doors of a Sony fabrication facility because Panasonic has been tied up with financial problems for the last few years. The sensor investment has not gone toward BSI but toward the Fuji organic collaboration. The 12 megapixel Panasonic sensors were not competitive with respect to noise and dynamic range, so where did the company suddenly get the tech to match the performance of the Sony at 16 megapixels?

      • Tom

        This is my exact point. Where are the stacked BSI m43 sensors from Sony or the higher MP BSI m43 sensors?

        I guess time will tell when the updated Sony A6000 comes out, or if it does? Which I was about to get but got the G7 for video instead.

        • Mark Ellsworth

          Timing does indeed seem to have a role in the fate of camera choices. I have similar impression of that “if and when” Sony commitment to APS-C mirrorless. It looks to me like Sony is going whole hog on full frame now, almost as if the collaboration with Olympus, whatever it was, resulted in a bilateral agreement to not compete. Sony gets full frame to itself, and Olympus gets μ4/3. True, though: the A6000 was a lot of great camera in convenient form. Unfortunately and like Olympus, Sony does not have a fast kit zoom for the NEX, which is why the RX100-III and -IV kick some photographic tail. f1.8-2.8 negates the disadvantage of the smaller sensor.

  • FFisdead

    Hopefully that camera will be a good preview of the EM1 mark II, just like the EP5 was a preview of the EM1 mark 1.

  • Robin

    Don’t want 20mp… just want a way better video in olympus cameras…

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