Panasonic: “very high-end model” mirrorless camera coming this year! (…GH3)

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In an interview with Amateur Photographer Ichiro Kitao (director of Panasonic’s digital stills camera business) said “I want Panasonic to be known for very high-quality cameras, and we are currently restructuring the range of products that we offer to include a very high end model“. Easy to guess that he is talking about the GH3. He confirms that they will NOT change the sensor size as m43 offers enough space for good resolution and is only less than one stop behing the APS-C competition (…so he says).

Back in late 2011 we reported how Panasonic had no plans to enter the “professional market” with a larger sensor system: “to use a larger sensor means we’d have to compromise on the size of our lenses, and thus the size of our system. MFT cameras need to be smaller“. Editor’s note: Make no mistake, you are not more or less professional by using smaller or larger sensors :)

He said that “some” of the APS-C competition (I guess he means Sony) do offer very small bodies that have optical problems in the corners of the images. Panasonic is now focusing on improving the optical quality. the best prime lenses will continue to be branded with the Leica name and the best zooms will be branded with the new “X” mark. Panasonic will not extend the range of m43 cameras but “We will define more clearly what GH and GX means this year, so consumers have a better idea of what their characteristics are“. Panasonic also believes contrast AF and not phase autofocus is the future.

That’s it….some thoughts?

 

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  • MP

    Thats good. I have kind of always been confused about how Panasonic catergorised the G, GF, GX and GH line ups.

    • mpgxsvcd

      The autofocus can be “lightning” fast and still not be accurate. The fact that the auto focus must hunt for the right direction is what sets it back.

      The version 1.1 firmware for the GH2 vastly improves the AF accuracy. I have no doubt that the GH3 will have excellent AF speed and accuracy even during videos.

      • http://youdidntdidyou.com/ YouDidntDidYou

        I feel Panasonic have really been coasting and aiming too much at “joe bloggs” consumers,the GH2 and the GX1 are no great shakes….
        They have taken out dynamic black and white film mode out of the GX1 even though it’s one of most popular film modes among photographers and videographers, they also removed multiple exposures where as Olympus developed this feature, also they didn’t enable focus tracking in video in the final release versions of the GH2.The GH2 doesn’t have hardly any new features over the GH1 and I feel Panasonic are behaving very canikon like.

        The GH3 will need to have everything that the E-M5 has including wireless flash support as well as new inspiring features (quality won’t be enough they get that with canikon) to allow photographers and videographers to show individuality in an ever increasing competitive work market.

        eg nikon wedding photographer’s work falls in 2 camps those that shoot practically on auto with lots of burst or bracketing and those that expose to the right with both “styles” employing lots of editing and cropping as well as similar composition.
        Whereas I feel the E-M5 would allow photographers or videographers to show off their individuality…

        For Panasonic to set the bar much higher with the GH3 over the E-M5 they will have to add apps – adding timelapse and more slow mo options and playing catch up to the E-M5 won’t cut it…

        When Panasonic are hungry they do better eg the L1, L10, G1 and the GH1

        • david

          I don’t know about the GX1 since I’ve never used one, but I think you underestimate the GH1 => GH2 transition. The GH2 added more pixels, much faster AF and viewfinder refresh, touch screen, and much better video processing. Perhaps you wanted other features, but they certainly improved on the GH1 a lot.

          • http://youdidntdidyou.com/ YouDidntDidYou

            @ david
            – more pixels was added for marketing reasons, the engineering dept wanted to add other features but marketing dept won over.
            – the AF in the GH1 is plenty fast enough, what’s a viewfinder?
            – not much, much better video processing.

            • http://www.43rumors.com/members/jules/ jules

              “more pixels was added for marketing reasons, the engineering dept wanted to add other features but marketing dept won over.”

              Kills me when I read those. You got insider plugs or what?

              • http://youdidntdidyou.com/ YouDidntDidYou

                @ jules
                actually it was said in a Panasonic interview word for word about 18 months ago and I’m sure @ admin can provide the link

                • http://www.43rumors.com/members/jules/ jules

                  Well, they must have gotten that decision right, because its a very fine camera!

            • Leu

              Panasonic will have to do practically nothing to make the GH3 better than the EM5. And GH2 video vastly improves on the GH1… with firmware modifications (scil. Vitaliy and crew) it has proven itself over and over again as the best video DSLR available, unquestionably. And I don’t even use it.

              • Cheese knuckle

                Um I think mr 5d mk2 might have something to say about that

                • http://www.dandrfilms.com Michael D&RFilms

                  Um.. I don’t. The GH2 is hands down the best video DSLR. The image quality is right up there with the 5DMKII but the GH2 offers MUCH more. Clip spanning (no 12 min limit) level meters, continuous AF just to name a few. The GH1/GH2 so far have been the only real true hybrid dslr type of cameras.

                • david

                  The 5dii has good pixels, and more shallow DoF possibilities of course, but it’s crippled by horrible downscaling. Overall, I’d give the nod to the GH2.

            • david

              Viewfinder = the refresh rate, enabled by the GH2’s faster sensor readout.

              In terms of pixels, I didn’t really care about it personally, but there’s certainly some more resolution, and some people do care.

              If you feel the GH1’s AF is fast enough, that just means that the GH2’s improvement wasn’t an important feature for you. It was still a big improvement for those of us who really wanted more AF speed.

              And if you don’t think the GH2’s video is much better, you probably don’t care enough about video to look closely at the footage. The GH2’s encoder is FAR more advanced. When the GH1 had a hack and the GH2 didn’t, it was a closer contest (with the GH2 still better overall IMO), but now the gap is again huge.

              You obviously have some features that you’d like, such as wireless flash. Fortunately, you have another manufacturer (Olympus) who’s making cameras with the features that you want. Panasonic has their own market orientation, and so far they’ve done a good job of making cameras with features that I want.

        • caver3d

          You also don’t own a GH2, and it shows. Not much credibility with those comments. I’m still laughing over your comments about the GH2 not being different enough from the GH1. Those of us that own the GH2 are quite pleased with it.

          • http://youdidntdidyou.com/ YouDidntDidYou

            @caver3d
            going by flickr and dpreview most GH2 owners came from Canon and Nikon (or are gearheads) usually aged 50-65 yrs,retired,jet setters, with very few coming from the GH1 does that not tell you something????

            I didn’t say you wouldn’t be pleased with your GH2 (until your E-M5 arrives).

            • http://www.43rumors.com/members/jules/ jules

              Tells me that GH1 owners don’t buy new gear on each and every releases. Like all the pros that I know.

              But if you were going to age me, at least thanks for telling me my mortgage is paid :)

            • http://www.43rumors.com/members/debuys/ Robert de Buys

              I have a GH1 and chose to spend money on the 25/1.4, 20/1.7, and 45/1.8. The GH2 AF100 proved that Panasonic is taking the format seriously enough to put money in what really matters, glass. I have been tempted by the GH2 for the live HDMI output, better video capabilities and touch screen rack focus but the GH1 (hacked) is good enough to make it through a version or two.

              But hey, I’m the dumbass that doesn’t have a car payment.

        • MikeH

          The GH2 has improvements in nearly every specification in every way over the GH1. When you gloss over the video improvements alone below your credibility drops into the crapper.

          I’ll agree with you re the wireless flash support as a much desired feature addition, however.

          • http://youdidntdidyou.com/ YouDidntDidYou

            @MikeH
            I’m sure the GH3 will have a tonne of new real features not just tweaks, but then you’ll be rightfully moaning about why weren’t those features in the GH2 when they could of been.

            btw I have far more credibility than you’ll ever have.

            • CobyD

              Dude – any credibility you (may have) had evaporated when you argued the GH2 was only a slight improvement on the GH1.

  • Rinaldo

    yessss

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/miklosrabi/ Miklos Rabi

    Great! :)

  • chronocommando

    “Panasonic also believes contrast AF and not phase autofocus is the future.”

    Maybe he is right. My personal feeling is that phase is still better(faster+more accurate)

    • http://www.43rumors.com/members/zwagner/ Zach Wagner

      Except that Olympus’ new OM-D E-M5 camera is supposed to have the fastest AF of any camera, including amongst dslrs, and it’s contrast.

      • http://perkylberg.smugmug.com/ Kylberg

        The source for that statement is etremely biased to say the least :-)

        • Vlad

          There isn’t much to be biased about for easily measurable things.

      • 43shot

        And the best image quality of any M43 camera, etc. All per Olympus announcements and no actual apples to apples testing just relative marketing statements. Seems live V2 of this camera will be the real performer but we shall see. Spring could bring some good m43 rumors prior to sales of this camera.

    • http://www.43rumors.com/members/eric/ Eric

      Phase is clearly faster for continuous AF, but for single shot CDAF is already just as fast, and we’ll soon see if Olympus’ claims are true about it being even faster than PDAF. CDAF is also known to be more accurate…at least in good light.

      My thoughts on it these days are either system is fine, but then again, I’m not very demanding of my AF.

      • Esa Tuunanen

        With similar tech level PDAF could do also single focus little faster at least half of the time simply by immediately knowing direction which to move focus.

        Panasonic should definitely study hybrid AF for getting good fast moving target tracking, and possibly they’re doing it on background.
        Remember that purpose of marketing is to downplay anything you aren’t offering to consumers because no company wants to tell everyone that other company might have done something better.

      • http://www.43rumors.com/members/jules/ jules

        Move back to the glorious days of G1, GF-1 and EP-1. The AF speed was clearly behind PDAF. What you could typically read back then was that “CDAF will always be too slow, inferior, etc.”. You would never read that CDAF is much younger, had much less R&D, that the gap will close. Well it did.

        Now as you say the issue is tracking speed (without excessive hunting) : Sony, Panasonic, Olympus, Nikon (Canon?) and others are investing lots of yens in it, I’d say without a crystal ball that we are couple of years away from having tracking speed that is as good as it gets except maybe for the most demanding and the nostalgics.

        This is not the death of PDAF by any means. …I mean, we are still seeing film cameras :)

      • gl

        Also what people always forget is that AF is dependent on sensor frame rate, so continuous AF is much slower once you hit record – that coupled with hunting sucks for video. I’d love to see PD, or a similar solution for that.

    • ulli

      yes but pd in a traditional camera is 100% dependent on the accurate alignment of the mirror mechanism. This can be easily tested when focusing with very fast lenses wideopen

    • Ad

      +1. The Nikon V1 seems to be quite successful with PD-AF.

      • http://www.43rumors.com/members/donparrot/ DonParrot

        Is it?
        I’m searching the web regularly but to date, I haven’t found a single properly focused Nikon shot of a subject approaching the photographer quickly – in the entire World Wide Web.
        So, I hear the claims but still am waiting for the proof.

        • http://youdidntdidyou.com/ YouDidntDidYou

          true lol….

    • James

      Contrast detect autofocus is more accurate. No front or back focus problems. Phase detect autofocus has a number of advantages but accuracy is not one of them.

  • https://twitter.com/RaviSun3D RaviSun3D

    Wow! This is the News I was Desperately Waiting for…!

    My imagination is running wild about what the “High-End Model” would be.

    Hope to see even further developed sensor…!
    and some “Mind-Blowing” Features.

  • http://www.43rumors.com/members/sneye/ sneye

    Panasonic high end = new sensor, super video, super EVF, super monitor and metal body. Not sure about weather sealing as it never used to be a priority for them.
    Olympus high end = super IS, super build, weather sealing and fabulous JPEGs.
    It’s nice to have a choice.

    • DonTom

      I think they will offer the GH3 with weathersealing, at least we will know for sure if the two fast zooms are WP.
      I hope they redo the G series into a rangefinder style body, they only need a little of restyling to get there.

      • http://www.43rumors.com/members/sneye/ sneye

        You may be right, but the new zooms could be made WP for E-M5 users. It would constitute a good business approach in both cases.

        I think the GH3 will preserve the mini-DSLR form. It’s still considered preferable by most potential buyers (I think).

        • http://www.43rumors.com/members/cristian/ MacGyver

          +1 DSLR form

          • http://TheUncensoredPhotographer.com The Uncensored Photographer

            -1 DSLR form :-p

          • Redkite

            +2 for DSLR form.

            • MikeH

              +3 dslr form for the win! :)

              • http://theuncensoredphotographer.com/ The Uncensored Photographer

                -4,000 for DSLR form, dammit! 😀

        • kesztió

          Why both optically stabilised if made for E-M5 users? it makes no sense…

          • http://TheUncensoredPhotographer.com The Uncensored Photographer

            Nobody said they would be made only for Olympus users, but if you’re making f/2.8 zooms for Panasonic, you have to stabilize them. If you also add weather sealing, then you make them appealing to Olympus E-M5 users who want WS.

            Think about it. It makes a lot of business sense.

            • Andrew

              I don’t think Panasonic has a lot to gain by adding features which are unilaterally of value to their competitors.

              • http://TheUncensoredPhotographer.com The Uncensored Photographer

                Money! What company doesn’t want to sell more of their stuff?

                • Leu

                  I think he was being sarcastic, but I want DSLR form + weather sealing, and I won’t be buying an EM5 because I can’t give up things like ex-tele mode.

      • http://www.43rumors.com/members/anentropic/ Anentropic

        rangefinder style body – that’s the GX basically isn’t it?

        GF – low-end, smallest, simplified

        GH – high-end, video

        G – cut down version of GH

      • Ad

        I hope they will stick to the present shape. I like the viewfinder centered in the body.

    • anonymous

      > Panasonic high end = new sensor, super video, super EVF, super monitor and metal body. Not sure about weather sealing as it never used to be a priority for them.
      > Olympus high end = super IS, super build, weather sealing and fabulous JPEGs.
      > It’s nice to have a choice.

      I so wanna mix and match 😉

      PanOly High end = new sensor, super monitor, super IS and fabulous Jpegs.

      And then the superhighend would have it all – and they can price it at 1.700$

      • reverse stream swimmer

        Re: Mix & Match
        Maybe it’s a good idea.
        Often we see motorcycle and car manufacturers share the R&D and launch the same car under two different company names. Would be an idea for the flagship model??

    • mahler

      The recent GX1 review on dpreview seems to tell that Olympus’ JPEG superiority is gone or at least diminished to an irrelevant difference.

      So, both, Olympus and Panasonic cameras will have fabulous JPEGs.

  • Bob B.

    NOW YOU’RE TALKING!!!!!!

  • http://www.43rumors.com/members/jibclimmer/ Jesse Brauning

    Well, that’s nothing but good news. :)

  • Berneck

    Dammit Admin! I can’t take all these rumors! Now I might have to cancel my E-M5 pre-order! LOL

    Just kidding, I’m sticking with the E-M5, but things sure are shaping up to be exciting this year!!!

  • prediction

    my guess is that other than a better built body, the improvement will focus mainly on stills and less so on video this time, meaning better DR and high ISO,but no 4k video.

  • http://www.3d-kraft.de Helge

    I could not find any hint in that interview that says, there will be a GH3 or even a high end camera this year.

    What I understood from that interview is just that Panasonic plans to launch two new X zoom lenses this year and will “more clearly define what GH and GX means” this year.

    I can not follow the assumption that this will mean that a GH3 will COME this year. Perhaps an announcement on Photokina or so, but we know already how long it takes between announcements and delivery by Panasonic.

    • Steve

      You need to read the article again. A high end model is coming this year (GH3 or new high end)

      ‘I want Panasonic to be known for very high-quality cameras, and we are currently restructuring the range of products that we offer to include a very high end model,’ he explained.

      ‘We want to become known as a high-quality camera brand, and this will be our concentration this year. We will aim for a high-end camera to demonstrate that mirrorless cameras can be alternatives to DSLR cameras, not just a step-up from compact cameras.

    • http://www.peterdv.com Peter J. DeCrescenzo

      @Helge

      I agree with you: The interview does not include a statement about a “GH3” camera shipping this year. He says new lenses will ship in 2012, but doesn’t say a new high-end camera will ship from Panasonic.

      Perhaps Admin has other reasons to think the “GH3” will be announced this year?

      I hope I’m wrong, but based on Panasonic’s past performance, even if they announce a “GH3” in 2012, I doubt they’ll ship more than a few dozen units to the US by 12/31/12. And large batches (more than a few hundred per month) won’t be available for sale in the US until Spring 2013. The new camera will be readily available in many countries around the world _months_ before US customers will be able to buy them from US retail & online dealers. For whatever reason that’s how Panasonic US rolls.

      But, if I’m wrong this time, I’ll apologize to Panasonic and buy a “GH3” ASAP … if I haven’t already bought a “5DM3” from Canon by then. 😉

  • Narretz

    I still wonder if they will split the GH series – one weatherproof, one not. Based on the assumption that serious video is seldom shot in uncontrollable weather-

    • Tropical Yeti

      Well, maybe they will split ther GH3 into:
      – standard model
      – dustproof model
      – waterproof model
      and who knows – maybe even beerproof model ?
      Anyway, we get high on new camera, and before we can buy it, a new camera is announced, and before we can buy it another one… so we can be high all the time, dreaming about perfect camera, and we never have to buy one

      But what do I know.

      • https://twitter.com/RaviSun3D RaviSun3D

        Wow! I would obviously buy the BeerProof model…!

        Well, I am sure that there will be no Perfect Camera anyway… because this will lead all companies to stop making cameras anymore!!!

        • Mediator

          You forget about foolproof and bulletproof versions! :)

          • http://www.43rumors.com/members/occam/ occam

            I’d pay a premium for the foolproof model. Sign me up! :-)

      • ulli

        “and who knows – maybe even beerproof model ?”
        well at least the E-1 has been proven to be urine-proof

  • http://www.43rumors.com/members/cristian/ MacGyver

    It is great news!
    However, I am sure that time will be sealed, I do not see the logic the lens sealed without a dedicated camera body…

    GREAT!!!

  • Me

    This is just Panasonic’s reaction on the E-M5. They tell people that they soon have something similar to offer – hoping that people will wait for Panasonic’s products instead of bying the E-M5. Because those who buy the E-M5 now probably won’t buy a GH3 too, should it come this year…

    • http://www.3d-kraft.de Helge

      I think thear fears are not caused by the E-M5. It’s Sony with their latest NEX developments and perhaps Canon (if they will be able to launch a CSC with a better sensor than that of the G1X).

      • http://REP96ST.TUMBLR.COM REP96ST

        I don’t even look at the Nex cameras as M43 competition.. Their huge lenses are my reasoning behind that.

        • Jack Le Boul

          The Panasonic Lecia 25mm f1.4:

          – Weighs : 200g
          – Length 54.5mm
          – Have quite a lot of plastic parts
          – But the lens mount is, thankfully, made of metal
          – Considered to be a great lens

          The Sony (NEX) Zeiss 24mm f/1.8:

          – Weighs : 225g
          – Length 65.5mm
          – Everything is made of metal
          – Considered to be a great lens

          Now, the Leica is f/1.4 and the Zeiss is f/1.8, but the Zeiss is made of all metal and it is for APS-C sensor. The Zeiss is 25g heavier and 1.5 cm longer. Not exactly huge difference consider the circumstances. And here in Switzerland they cost about the same. (The Lecia is about 10% more expensive)

          • reverse stream swimmer

            I think the glass volume increases with the power of two, for each aperture stop. 1:1.4 is more demanding than 1:1.8
            Have a look at Canons 1:1.2 lenses as an example.
            Or the Cosina Voigtländer bright twins with MFT mount:
            17.5mm F0.95
            25mm F0.95

            • jack Le Boul

              Yes I agree.
              My point was to reply to the previous post that NEX lenses are big, heavy and suck.
              I think the the m4/3 “eco system” strength is its vide offering of lenses, and as a owner of GH1 and GF1 it is great to be able to choose from so many.

              However, I did purchase an NEX-5n, with the Zeiss 24/f1.8, and it is a very good system.
              I do not know of any 24mm/f1.8 APS-C sensor lens which is so sharp, fast and weighs 225g.

              There is often an argument I hear from many m4/3 users which goes like this…

              Yes, most m4/3 cameras suck, but never ones are coming which are (very expensive) but really good and by the way, we have the best lens selection out there, AND NEX cameras may be good, but their lenses are big, heavy and suck and Sony is incapably to develop new and better ones…..so we win.

          • david

            You need to compare equivalent focal lengths, like the 25mm to the Zeiss 35mm, or the Panasonic 17mm to he Zeiss 24mm.

          • ProShooter

            The Zeiss is too soft and although its metal its not that nice.

          • http://perkylberg.smugmug.com/ Kylberg

            It is relevant to compare the “Leica” and the “Zeiss” as they are high end. Lenses for NEX are longer but not that much heavier. The Sony 16mm is as poor in quality as the Oly 17mm…
            No doubt Sony will learn to make lenses, the question is when….

            • Nelson

              16mm is much poorer quality than 17mm, really sony should release it as F4 instead of F2.8

            • flash

              Sony has been making lens for a very long time. Minolta has been making nice lens for a very very long time. Zeiss has been making good lens for ever.

              Sony thinks they make great lens, and some of their very high end video lens are great. Their still lens just seem to be old school Japan in terms of color and contrast, but some people like that, we can now change that in post anyways. I think there really is a problem with the Nex short registry and sensor, this can be seen severely, when legacy lens are used on a Nex. The Nex 5n is a nice little camera that can take exceptional shoots, however you must use the right lens. I wish they make a NEX 7 model with the NEX 5 sensor for a hundred or two less; or with a faster viewfinder.

      • Leu

        +1

        Yeah canon and sony are actually panasonic competition… olympus is a panasonic stooge that they use to realize sick and twisted marketing fantasies vicariously through.

    • Narretz

      The timing is probably right. But you can be sure that Panasonic has been working on the GH-3 at least since they released the GH2. And I guess they want to extend the lifecycle of the pro model to approximately two years. (GH1 to GH2 was 1 1/2 years). Not taking into consideration the delays caused by Panas horrible distribution.
      I guess the success of the GH2 especially in video gave Pana confidence in working on the successor a bit longer. And the EM-5 shouldn’t worry them too much. Weathersealing and IBIS are the two main factors that are superior to the GH2. I bet with a new sensor, the GH3 will easily surpass the EM-5’s image quality.

    • http://www.43rumors.com/members/sneye/ sneye

      FUD? It’s not a tactic often used by Panasonic. They are certainly challenged by the OM-D, but I don’t think those statements are a direct reaction to Oly’s moves.

  • burnardo

    I’m more waiting for professional lenses, something like the Canon 24-70L 2.8 for the MFT system. A 12-35 would be an option, f2.0 would maybe have quite the same bokeh, but it’s probably just a dream. SLR Magic, Voigtlander or old lenses with adapters are an option, but I don’t always want to be limited to manual focussing. MFT needs more great lenses.

  • Daemonius

    One stop behind? Olympus with OM-D maybe. Panasonic? GX-1 is bit like 2 stops behind. Kinda reminds me whole Sony/Nikon situation, when Nikon can squeeze more from sensor than Sony. Seems similar case with new OM-D and Olympus/Panasonic.

    Otherwise, m4/3 is good format (especially when it has multiaspect sensor), but maybe less mpix and better SNR would help.

    • NPrincen

      Go to the recent dpreview of the GX-1. Go to the RAW comparison page. Load in the GH-2, the NEX-5n, and the NEX-7. Compare the test images at various ISO to the GX-1. I do not see that either the GX-1 or the GH-2 are even one stop behind. To me, it looks like the Sony cameras have much uglier noise at high ISO and are less sharp. This actually surprised me yesterday when I was making these comparisons, because like you, I thought the APS-C sensors would show a clear advantage. But, they don’t. The latest in micro43 is equal, if not better than them. I would challenge that you could not tell the difference in a blind print comparison test. Just my $0.02.

  • JF

    Great ! The high end model will probably come with 12-35 f2.8 or 2.5 as kit. Hope there will be a new sensor without more Mpix and with better performances…I will wait for EM-5 reviews, if good IQ (DR better than G3/GX1), I will buy it. If not, I will wait for this one, I just hope the price won’t be elitist… but it will probably be…(I won’t buy a m43 cam for the price of a 5DmkII) Also, I suspect this new cam won’t be available before 2013 (anoncement at photokina)

  • Duarte Bruno

    I read this as another market segmentation:

    * GH3 will improve on the GH2 and will define more clearly GH segment. as it’s not “Very High End”.

    * GP1? will be the “Very High End”.

    I just hope they don’t keep the Global Shutter to the “Very High End” only.

    • matt

      where have you read this?

      • Duarte Bruno

        I “read” between the lines of the rumor.

  • Nikku

    As an Olympus user, I say great! Panasonic’s lens offerings are superb, and when Oly and Panasonic compete, we all win.

  • http://thesubversivebirds.com/ Renato S.

    “We will define more clearly what GH and GX means this year (…)”

    GX too? What does that mean?

    • Steve

      Yes, that doesn’t make any sense as the GX won’t be replaced this year. Maybe they will issue a firmware update with manual video controls, higher bit rates and support for AVCHD 2.0. That would certainly help and give another alternative for good quality video. Otherwise there will be little to separate the GX from the GF when the GF5 gets the 16mp sensor.

      • http://thesubversivebirds.com/ Renato S.

        Firmware update and manual control may happen but AVCHD 2.0 I don’t think so, because I don’t think that the sensor is capable of outputting 60fps, it doesn’t even do 1080p30, it does 1080i60 and converts it to 1080p30, isn’t it?

  • matt

    bless you panasonic 😀 I hope the GH3 will kick asses!

  • Guy McLoughlin

    Finally, confirmation that the GH-3 is coming this year! This is great news.

    • ha

      no one said that.

  • Steve

    More pancake lenses are coming. I wonder if we will see an upgrade for the 20mm.

    “We already have lenses from 14mm to 300mm, and we’ve already introduced nine camera bodies, but now we will make faster lenses and more compact pancakes.”

  • https://twitter.com/RaviSun3D RaviSun3D

    I shouldn’t be speaking this… but the most important feature of GH3 for me is… {to be Ha**able} ssshhhh!!!

  • http://perkylberg.smugmug.com/ Kylberg

    Great news! I have to add “GH/X3 or whatever” to my next camera evaluation sheet. (EM5, x-pro1, Nex-7)
    I like the Pana user interface logic better than Oly’s. I was disappointed by the Oly EP1 IS. The Pana lens IS is more efficient. With the EM5 the IS is more feature-rich – if it is more efficient in real usage is another thing.

  • http://www.43rumors.com/members/sneye/ sneye

    I wouldn’t be surprised if it shot 4K video. It’s all about processing power, isn’t it? Of course, it would have to host a considerably larger battery so it may be slightly more bulky than the GH2, but not by too much.

  • http://fo-to-gra-fe.blogspot.com Aaron Martin-Colby

    It’s all just marketing nonsense until Panasonic actually shows us something.

  • http://gakuranman.com Michael

    All things equal, APS-C has a 0.83 stop advantage over m43, so the Panny guy is telling the truth.

    See here for a discussion about why.

    http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1041&message=39177914

    • http://ranger9.net Ranger 9

      An 0.83-stop advantage? Are you sure it’s not 0.82 or 0.84 or 0.833486?

      (Note that I haven’t even raised the question “0.83 stop of what?”)

      I suppose I’ll have to go wade into the dpreview thread just to satisfy my curiosity, but I don’t have a lot of hope given the dpreview forums’ propensity to attract pompous armchair theorists who are unfamiliar with the concept of “significant digits”!

      • Brod1er

        It’s considerably less if shooting in 16:9 or 4:3 on GH cameras owing to the oversize sensor using the image circle more efficiently. The gap between APSC and variable adpect sensor MFT cameras is pretty irrelevant in my opinion. Those who worry about it are insecure and poor photographers.

        • http://www.43rumors.com/members/billoriani/ Bill Oriani

          +1

          as I’ve mentioned here before, I own both a GH2 and a Nikon D7000 and the D7000 has only very slightly better image quality than the GH2. That said, I think the GH2 is much more fun to use, easier to use, and is by far my favorite camera. I now rarely use the D7000.

    • mahler

      Why didn’t you use even more decimal places? It could even be that the APS-C advantage is 0,839 !!!!

    • http://ranger9.net Ranger 9

      Okay, I went back and read the dpreview post and it’s just mumbo-jumbo dressed up with equations.

      The writer is simply comparing the AREAS of the APS-C and MFT sensors and then using logarithms to convert the difference to “stops.” (This use of “stops” is completely meaningless — he could just as well have converted to gallons or dress sizes or what-have-you.)

      All his further analysis is based on the assumption that the only thing that determines the comparative performance of different sensors is the difference in their area. That might be true “all other things being equal”… but as most of us have learned from practical experience, all other things almost never ARE equal.

      • http://www.43rumors.com/members/donknizi/ don knizi

        Either I am completely stupid or ignorant: What does the whole surface of the sensor have to do with the light gathering properties?

        The noise happens in the photosites so in the first line it depends on the size of the photosite. These photosites are arranged on the sensor which come in different shapes and sizes. Only if we have the same amount of pixels on both sensors we compare and the photosites on the larger sensor make actually use of the extra surface, then there will be an advantage for the larger sensor in regards of noise (not light gathering).
        If the old Olympus 12mp sensor would make use of the entire available space (doesn’t work because of curcuitry) it would actually gather more light per pixel than a 24mp APS-C sensor and have therefore less noise…

        Correct me if I’m wrong!

      • http://gakuranman.com Michael

        The writer clearly stated how he was deriving his conclusions and what they meant. It was also extremely clear that we are talking about the theoretical perfect APS-C sensor and m43 sensor. A baseline has to be determined somewhere, because sensors differ wildly based on many variables.

        Assuming though that the same technologies and processing are in both an APS-C sensor and m43 sensor, based on the area size difference, there will be a 0.83 stop advantage. Considering that people talk about stops a lot, I certainly don’t think that’s an arbitrary or meaningless way to describe it.

        So, if you really want to claim ‘mumbo-jumbo’, perhaps you can explain to us your approach to determining an accurate figure showing the advantage of APS-C over m43, because the dpreview thread is the closest I’ve come to finding one myself.

    • http://perkylberg.smugmug.com/ Kylberg

      I think half step or 3/4 step is more adequate than “0.83”. That difference will neither be seen, nor a problem in everyday photo. It is with photos on the extrems/margins when the larger sensor copes better. Remember: people, not cameras, make photos!
      Having said that I prefer to optimize my equipment according to my needs: The equipment shouldn’t let me down. If I make poor ang boring photos, the blame should be on me not the equipment.

  • Matt H

    Thoughts? Screw the GH and GX distinction. Give us gh2 performance video in gx form factor. If it has to look like a dslr, I may as well get the canon 650d. With the gx form factor we can choose no viewfinder, small viewfinder that you already have, or a large view one that panasonic should make. So the system is pocketable, just in two pockets. Also get rid of the mode dial and put two more control dials there so we can have full time manual control of shutter, aperture and ISO. Just have a button to switch through the modes. Keep the multi aspect ratio sensor of the gh2 and abandon lens Is for in body Is. What do I want? Everything? Yes! it should be full frame too and only cost $400.

    • reverse stream swimmer

      I agree, the priority for Panasonic is to make a modern digitally output sensor, that doesn’t heat up, is fast for all the possible video requirements (even 4k video that Samsung already has in a P&S), and has much better Dynamic Range than before. Put the best sensor in all cameras, unless there is a heat problem for the smallest GF cameras.

      Perhaps Panasonic should reserve the SLR style formfactor for the GH seriesm and let the GX be rectangular shaped and more pocketable.

      • reverse stream swimmer

        Let some GX models have internal EVF, some models have internal flash – given that Panasonic can license the Olympus wireless RC protocol for flash systems.

  • Pierre

    Hopefully will Panasonic adopt at last a rangefinder style for the GH3!!

  • http://www.43rumors.com/members/duncan/ duncan

    Compared to GH2 body, Sony Nex7 body has a bigger sensor with 50% more pixels, much faster continuous shooting at full resolution, bigger photo buffer size and longer battery life, even though Nex7 body is much smaller and lighter than GH2. GH3 must bring a huge improvement in terms of processing capacity over GH2.

    • http://ranger9.net Ranger 9

      So now you know what you should buy, then. See ya on NEX Rumors…

    • MikeH

      How is that awesome af speed and amazing lens selection in NEXland?

  • http://www.43rumors.com/members/anentropic/ Anentropic

    “He revealed that, currently, the company is able to produce aspheric elements of up to 30mm in diameter, but that soon it will be possible for the factory to produce larger – paving the way for faster apertures. ”

    “now we will make faster lenses and more compact pancakes”

    great! exactly what we want!

  • slomo

    “We are researching ways to reduce the amount the focusing elements need to move (or wobble) to find the best focus position, and the algorithms that control this process.”

    Does not sound good for current lens owner. Future lenses with less focusing elements will be made faster, but this sort of modification does nothing for current lens owner.

    • Esa Tuunanen

      That focus sawing back and forth/wobbling (or what ever you want to call it) isn’t feature of lens focusing mechanism.
      It will happen always in some scale simply because contrast detect AF is by its nature trial and error focusing and can’t even know the direction which way to move focus without testing.
      That’s why Nikon 1 has hybrid AF.

  • twoomy

    Nice! Now bring on those 12-35 and 35-100 zooms!

    Hearing somebody specifically say that they care about corner-to-corner sharpness makes excited. Many Pany/Oly m43 zooms have poor corners (Pany 14-140, Oly 9-18, Oly 12-50), so I’d love to see new lenses where corner-to-corner image quality is more important than making everything teeny tiny.

    I’m excited to see what comes out in the next few months!

    • Esa Tuunanen

      Solution for true high quality optics would be integrating PDAF to go along with CDAF.
      Most of the 4/3 lenses are at very high optical quality level, and include best “travel zoom” by big margin. (Leica D 14-150mm)
      Shorter flange back distance of mirrorless doesn’t even automatically allow making any of the longer focal length lenses smaller.

  • tomas

    w/vf wo/vf
    basic G GF
    hiend GH GX

    vs competition
    pana sony oly n1 fuji
    GH NEX7 OMD xpro
    GX NEX5* EP
    G – EPL? v
    GF NEX*3 EPM j

    Versus sony and nikon, advantage is lenses; GF needs G sensor, GX and GH need new sensors. GH okay with DSLR form factor, G should morph to rangefinder form factor.

    Competition with Oly is (retro style + ibis) vs (dull style + ois only). Should improve styling, go modern not retro. Duh.

  • http://ranger9.net Ranger 9

    I don’t think he is talking about a “GH3” when he says they want to introduce a “very high-end model.”

    I don’t think he is talking about specifications; the GH cameras have always had class-leading specifications at the time of their introduction (the GH2 still compares very well within its price class, especially in terms of video features) but I don’t think that’s what manufacturers mean by “high end.”

    I think that by “high-end” he is talking about the type of consumer who buys the product — in other words, he means Panasonic wants to introduce a higher-priced camera with the kinds of materials, controls and styling that appeal to luxury-goods buyers.

    He says Panasonic needs to rationalize its model lineup so the different lines are more comprehensible to consumers — which is true — and a luxury-class camera wouldn’t fit logically into the GH family.

    The way I see it, Panasonic is trying to organize its products into three consumer-driven lines:

    — GF (let’s say the “F” stands for “family” or “friendly”): Small, high-tech cameras aimed at casual photographers who want a step up from a compact or phone camera.

    — GH (let’s say the “H” stands for “hybrid”): Cameras with strong still AND video features, for serious photographers who want to work in both media.

    — GX (just because everybody seems to want an “X” in their premium-camera names): Cameras for photographers interested primarily in still shooting, who like traditional-style controls (knobs) and like “premium feel” (metal parts.)

    [I don’t know where the plain “G” fits in this lineup; I suspect eventually it will go away.]

    Within this structure, it’s obvious that the place for a “very high-end model” would be within the GX lineup. What might it be like?

    I think certainly we’d see a high-quality built-in EVF (probably an OLED like Sony’s; there’s nothing Sony knows about making displays that Panasonic doesn’t know too), metal panels and knobs like the GX1, only moreso; faux-leather textures on the grip areas; and careful attention to upscale styling.

    Specifications probably would be similar to whatever GH model was current at the same time, but with a stills-optimized sensor package. Pricing most likely would be in the Olympus EM-5/Sony NEX-7 neighborhood, with the “unique selling proposition” based on modernist instead of traditional-SLR styling (compared to Olympus) and the wider range of high-quality lenses and smaller overall system size (compared to Sony.)

    This might well be a very appealing camera, and would add a “halo model” to Panasonic’s product line. Forum posters would undoubtedly find endless things to criticize about the concept, though!

    • reverse stream swimmer

      -Where does Leica come into the picture, if at all?

      I know they design some leica DG lenses for Panasonic.
      Also like the DMC-LX5 and other P&S cameras have Leica lenses, therefore they have also Leica clothings.

      The rumor says, that Leica is coming out with a mirrorless camera this year (Photokina). We’ve seen Leica launching both the X1 & S1/S2 on their own, so it might be another Leica experience as well this time.

      However, I would like to see a Leica MFT camera, given that they can get the multi aspect ratio sensor and default it to 3:2 aspect ratio of course, it’s their heritage format by the way.

      I doubt Leica has resources for the electronic lenses, AF speed requirements, video needs, EVF and all the more and more complicated systems that goes into a mirrorless product, on top of their X & M & S systems.

      Otherwise Leica might just challenge Fujifilm X-Pro1 with APS-C size and purchasing a Sony sensor for it.

      It’s still open where a new mirrorless Leica will land…

      • http://perkylberg.smugmug.com/ Kylberg

        Leica has clearly stated they will not use m43 sensor size as it is “too small to achieve Leicea quality”

  • OlyDude

    Panasonic don’t have legendary retro lineup to inspire their new offerings as Olympus does with their Pen and OM. They have to make up for that lack of cachet somehow.

    • mahler

      This is an advantage of Panasonic! No retro stuff, better original design.

      • pelex

        Are we forgetting the Panasonic L1?
        At least Panny has a “little” history when it comes to retro.
        I’m sure alot of you still yearn for an M43 version with L1 styling?
        It would be nice to see the GH3 guts (whatever they are) stuffed into
        an L1 styled body, with OLED viewfinder.
        If rumoured, I think this would hold off E-M5 sales…maybe Fuji sales too?

        • Md

          I own the panny l1. Way ahead of its time. Shutter dial, aperture ring, rangefinder body…. Too bad it was never evolved into m43.

  • http://www.mirrorlessworld.com Atlasman

    “Editor’s note: Make no mistake, you are not more or less professional by using smaller or larger sensors.”

    It all depends on the professional activity—if I’m shooting portraits, I would never entertain the use of m4/3 format (nor APS-C). I can’t imagine conducting a session with a 35mm (70mm FOV). I’d want to use an 85mm; this would provide slight compression whereas the 35mm goes in the opposite direction. On an m4/3, the 85mm would become a 170mm FOV and that would mean a great distance between subject and the camera.

    What pleases me about Panasonic’s proclaiment of a high end coming is that finally, we will see a feature-set for the professional——although the GH-x was almost there.

    With the advent of the E-M5, the NEX-7 and the X-Pro 1, maybe we will see some serious pressure on the sales of DSLRs.

    • http://ranger9.net Ranger 9

      “I can’t imagine conducting a session with a 35mm (70mm FOV). I’d want to use an 85mm; this would provide slight compression whereas the 35mm goes in the opposite direction. On an m4/3, the 85mm would become a 170mm FOV and that would mean a great distance between subject and the camera.”

      What?!?!? If you wanted something equivalent to the “compression” provided by an 85mm lens on a 36x24mm-format camera, of COURSE you wouldn’t use the same 85mm lens on an MFT camera. You’d use a lens that would provide the same angle of view and thus the same “compression,” such as a 45mm.

      • ulli

        I dont think so..I too like the perspective of 85mm on FF, so in order to get about the same feeling..i would use the same FL on MFT and not a 40-45 mm as you suggest. At least thats the feeling i have… I use a fast 50mm on MFT and it has about the same compression effect as it would on FF….(mind you we are not talking about DOF here)

      • Frederic Hew

        True, compression has to do with the distance from the object, not the actual focal length.

        The Oly 1.8/45mm provides an equivalent angle of view (and therefore distance to object – assuming the composition remains unchanged) to a FF 90mm. The DOF is equivalent to a FF 3.6/90mm.

  • Charlie

    “to use a larger sensor means we’d have to compromise on the size of our lenses, and thus the size of our system. MFT cameras need to be smaller“

    Most important thing he said … and I agree 100%.

    Smaller wins. Technology will overcome its limitations — always does. :)

    • Jack Le Boul

      The Panasonic Lecia 25mm f1.4:

      – Weighs : 200g
      – Length 54.5mm
      – Have quite a lot of plastic parts
      – But the lens mount is, thankfully, made of metal
      – Considered to be a great lens

      The Sony (NEX) Zeiss 24mm f/1.8:

      – Weighs : 225g
      – Length 65.5mm
      – Everything is made of metal
      – Considered to be a great lens

      Now, the Leica is f/1.4 and the Zeiss is f/1.8, but the Zeiss is made of all metal and it is for APS-C sensor. The Zeiss is 25g heavier and 1.5 cm longer. Not exactly huge difference consider the circumstances. And here in Switzerland they cost about the same. (The Lecia is about 10% more expensive)

      • david

        Is there an echo in here?

      • Charlie

        I own the NEX 5N and the lenses are too dang big.

        Smaller sensor = smaller lenses. That’s where the money will go.

        There’s a reason Nikon chose an even smaller sensor for the One. Technology will catch up to even their tiny sensor. Wait. Watch. See.

      • http://www.43rumors.com/members/billoriani/ Bill Oriani

        A more appropriate comparison might be the 20mm f/1.7 (40mm in ff) and the 24mm (38mm in ff) f/1.8 – in the USA the Pany 25 cost $539 and the Sony 24 cost $999 – I find it hard to believe the prices are that much closer in Swiss. Are you confusing the 4/3 pany 25 with the M4/3 pany 25?

  • pete

    Of course sensor size matters but there is nothing magical about “full-frame” systems. I much rather have large-format lenses and a “small” 645-sized sensor. :-)

    24×36 was itself a compromise between size and quality in the film era. I suspect that the sweet spot for digital is 4/3 once technology matures.

    If size and cost do not matter, then medium format offers even better compression for portrait and resolution for landscape.

    • Ru Elpser

      So as you put it fullframe might be the only system you need

    • Esa Tuunanen

      > 24×36 was itself a compromise between size and quality in the film era.
      It was chosen as standard only because it was the largest size (=best quality) you could economically get because of use of that film size in movie cameras.

  • huipfui

    I would love to see the GH3 in a Nex7 form. I don’t think that it is necessarily to make every “pro” or “enthusiast” camera bigger than it could be…

    • pete

      I hate the faux DSLR form factor. Without the mirror box and the penta-prism, they should be able to make something more ergonomical.

      Do they still think m43 is for entry-level users who wish they had a DSLR?

      • Charlie

        Man, if Panasonic were to totally turn the tables on everyone and come out with a “very high end” rangefinder form factor that melds the NEX 7 & the X Pro 1…..

        I think they’d OWN the market. I don’t see it, but I can always hope.

        • Ru Elpser

          Imo they need to slim the L1 design by 50 percent, throw in a 4 m res viewfinder and an aps-h organic sensor, global shutter and have a joint venture with some leica glas, this could be where the new leica is headung too.,.

    • reverse stream swimmer

      Well, that would most likely be a GX2 or GX3, having an internal EVF, but missing the flash.

    • Esa Tuunanen

      Proper ergonomy and controls simply needs certain minimum size.
      Playstation portable user interface with “How to take picture for dummies” on screen menu wizards isn’t serious controls.

      High end DSLR’s good size grip and back and front dials in combination with buttons for activating setting changes using those dials is tried and true design for good ergonomy and controls.

  • http://www.bmupix.com/ Björn Utpott

    Using a NEX-7 side by side with my GH2, it didn’t take long for the GH2 to feel clunky and not quite up to date. There is a visible difference in LCD and EVF resolution and the high quality body of the Sony is a delight to hold. I’m not saying everything is better, for example Panasonic’s AF and lens selection are still superior, but after getting used to the image quality of the APS-C sensor, I decided to sell my GH2.

    I’ve sold off some of my MFT lenses, but I’ve kept my favorite ones (7-14/4, 20/1.7 and 45/2.8) just in case Panasonic produces a camera that can compete better with a high end camera like the NEX-7. But it needs to be a much more significant step forward than the small steps Panasonic has been taking with recent releases.

    • pdc

      $900 for a GH2 body is a better investment that $1300 for a NEX-7.
      A very flexible system producing stellar video at high bit rates and adequate stills. I’m hoping they don’t try and re-invent the wheel with the GH3 – just put in a better EVF, tweak the manual controls programming, and give us a slightly better sensor. If you drop a NEX-7 you are going to damage the case severely. If you drop a G3 or GH2 it will probably bounce. I’ve banged mine around a lot, and it is no worse for wear.

    • http://perkylberg.smugmug.com/ Kylberg

      Björn: What lenses are you using on your NEX-7? I am considering change to NEX or Fuji x-pro.

      • http://www.bmupix.com/ Björn Utpott

        Kylberg, I’m currently using two Zeiss primes, the Sony E-mount Zeiss 24mm F1.8 and the M-mount Zeiss Biogon 35mm F2.0 (manual focus only). Both produce really superb results, just be aware that with the Biogon a magenta cast is visible in the corners of some images (but easily removed with CornerFix). My camera store has also told me that my Sony NEX 50mm F1.8 should arrive in the next few days. That lens is stabilized, which is an unusual feature on bright primes.

        • jack Le Boul

          Björn,

          I used the 50/f1.8 last weekend.
          The lens was surprisingly good. (felt like a Sony G lens)
          It is slightly lighter and shorter the the Zeiss 24. (and one third of the Zeiss price)

          The Zeiss at f/1.8 and 2.0 looked sharper but after that I could not tell any difference.
          I did not notice any effect of the SteadyShot feature vs. the Zeiss.

          Overall, must have lens.

          • http://www.bmupix.com/ Björn Utpott

            Jack, that sounds promising. I’d be surprised if the Zeiss wasn’t slightly better wide open, given its 3 times higher price tag. When you say you didn’t notice any effect from the optical image stabilizer, do you mean that it wasn’t very effective at reducing camera shake? Or that it makes the longer focal length just as hand holdable as the shorter focal length of the Zeiss 24/1.8?

            • jack Le Boul

              Björn,

              I compared pics with stabilizer off & on and notices only very slight difference in “sharpness”.
              I am glad it does have stabilizer, but the lens is as hand holdable as the Zeiss.

  • lenseguy

    wheres the new fast x-lenses?

  • Bimbo

    Admin, isn’t it about time you add a ‘Like’ feature for comments ;D

    • CDMc

      ‘like’

  • http://www.43rumors.com/members/ahem/ Ahem

    I don’t care how high-end it is, if it doesn’t have IBIS it’s no buy for me. Fortunately Olympus has us covered, and E-M5 is coming soon :)

  • Atto

    I think GH3 will be a terrific camera.
    Relies on three keys:
    – better color rendition on sensor, I do not care about noise.
    – better EVF
    – off-the-record colaboration with Vitaly. Remember the interview with Panasonic staff listening what people wants about video ‘we can not do it by ourselves, but we are welcome about hack enthusiasm’.

    At the end of the day, usability, RAW versatily and video bit rate will matters on GH3.

    • Steve H

      I agree, they should work with the GH2 hack community to provide a camera with a nearly open OS that can be hacked. Better yet, one with APPS!!!!

  • dougsymon

    Atlasman and Ulli may wish to read an opinion here:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perspective_distortion_(photography)

    • ulli

      Thanks for the link dougsymon.
      I am still doubting because i know a photographer who does modelsessions with a 300mm 2.8 on FF
      I looked at the fullfigure poses where the compression to the BG was very dramatic in effect.
      After that i started to look for similar sample shots taken with the Zuiko 150 2.0 to see if a similar effect was possible on FT, but it happened to look different.

  • Nic Walmsley

    Better differentiate their range = leave out features from the mid range? I hope not.

    Minority view, but I’m in the camp that says a m43 version of the NEX 7 would rock.

    It would be the epitomization of the opportunity the m43 system offers: to maximize the (features*quality)/(size*price) ratio.

  • Brad H.

    Bloody hell just come out with an L1 successor already!

    Nobody has asked for much more body-wise until you killed a line by making it more consumer friendly, birthing the GX1 but then inexplicably made it too expensive. Oy vey!

  • http://www.43rumors.com/members/forbes/ forbes

    “the best prime lenses will continue to be branded with the Leica name”

    Does that mean Panasonic is committed to producing more Leica branded primes? That would be great news, if a similar price as the 25mm is maintained. A nice 17mm perhaps?

  • Timbo Tas

    Why doesn’t this site change its name to micro 4/3rd rumours?

    • http://www.43rumors.com/members/occam/ occam

      Umm, because FT + MFT belongs to an all-in-one “beautiful system”… which Olympus just hasn’t unified yet. I hope. :-)

      Terada interview from front page confirms Olympus is still aiming for unified system (i.e., MFT support for PDAF FT glass).

  • Dan Smith

    “X” lenses being a top quality lens?

    PLEASE.

    I see the double image from my 45-175 “X” every time I shoot from beteen 1/20 of a second or so to 1/125 or so. And that’s after the so-called “fix.”

    What part of that is “quality?”

    They better get their act together on lenses.

  • scooby70

    I’m a bit underwhelmed but not surprised to be honest. After hoping that Panny could really shake things up I now think that their vision of MFT is pretty much a dead end for me. Panny lenses frustrate me, no markings and pretty crap for manual focus use, and with bodies they seem to be going in the wrong direction for me with low end consumer touch screen menu orientated products or the same ho hum incremental spec. They don’t seem to have any real answer to the newer form models from Sony let alone Fuji.

    If it wasn’t for the Voigtlander 25mm f0.95 I’d leave MFT behind and move on.

  • http://www.dandrfilms.com Michael D&RFilms

    All I want from a GH3:
    Slightly larger metal body (weatherproofing would be nice)
    1080/60P
    headphone jack
    better higher rez LCD
    Lower noise at higher ISO
    ability to turn of AGC

    Dat’s it….

  • BCK

    I don’t believe contrast detect is much good for video at the moment, so the GH3 better step up it’s game in this area to be taken seriously by people other than indo/pro filmakers.

  • scooby70

    “The 5dii has good pixels, and more shallow DoF possibilities of course,”

    DoF is a function of aperture and camera to subject distance not sensor size. Mount a Voigtlander 25mm f0.95 on MFT and with it’s aperture and close focusing ability you’ll have to do something pretty special to match the DoF on a 5D, if shallow DoF is your aim :)

    • Anonymous

      “DoF is a function of aperture and camera to subject distance not sensor size.”

      Seriously??? *rolling eyes* It’s dependent on all three.

      Nobody has mentioned tethering. Am I the only person who would like to see that in the GH?

  • flash

    GH3 what new features should it have over the GH2?

    And what should it sell for?

  • MIilt

    Read all these comments. and Mr. Kitao again.

    First of all I donèt see any reason to change my speculation as expressed a couple of rumours ago that the GF series will get the GX1 sensor as the GF5 and is the small automatic camera with 1080i video, there will be a GXPro for stills and 1080p video with an internal EVF and the GH2 sensor maybe revised, and the GH3 will have 4ùk video – as sneye might agree – and the same body as presently, at least in shape. I think Ranger 9 said something similar above, at least about the different lines. Ranger 9 and this humblle speculator also agree on the next point.

    Admin said it was easy to see that Mr. Kitao was talking about the GH3 but I am not so sure. I think that the camera he was referring to is likely to be the GXPro with internal viewfinder.

  • Yun

    Is this so called “Very highend camera” means a Pro camera ? If GX is to compete against NEX 5n then what to rival NEX 7 , GH3 ?

  • chris

    Boost DR, improve IQ, less noise at all ISO’s, weather sealing, and a battery grip, higher resolution LCD and VF, focus peaking, more external controls like the x100 that has a shutter and exposure dial and maybe squeeze a jog dial on the back. Then ill finally part with my 5d2.

  • Mumbly

    Actually, there’s no contradiction between both of Panasonics statements. “Very high end” and “professional” do not necessarly mean the same; the former expression does just mean that the camera will surpass the existing range in terms of image quality, functionality and/or feature-set. Hope they will finally implement wireless flash control in their high-end camera…

  • http://www.43rumors.com/members/marsupial2go/ marsupial2go

    I like reading about new gear, especially these days when there’s so much competition that each company and its divisions need to respond with more products. My world is GH2-based, although a D800 realm seems nice.

    I accrue revenue (or try to) by doing sound. So shooting video is a secondary gig for people who are not gear-specific (just want a video). Nevertheless, nobody in my sphere asks for a GH2 shooter. It’s always 5DM2 or 7D. It’ll be a long while before producers request D800, but probably will never ask for a GH2 or GH3. Even AF100 is a rare request. I just bought an Atomos Ninja but producers still want 5DM2!

    I’ll stay with GH2 until GH3 is released. My GH2 is pretty banged up from usage, but it’s rugged, tiny, and reliable. I don’t know what improvements I’d like, maybe 24p HDMI output! And some marketing so producers will hire GH2/3 shooters!

  • leendert

    Panasonic, please make a very sharp 300mm F4 + 1,4x teleconverter (or a 400mm f5.6)!
    And a 90mm or 100mm macro too!

    Then m43 is a very good system for nature photographers who need a lightweight set with a body like the GH2.

    • leendert

      I dream about this set:
      GH3 + 12-35mm F2.8 + 100 macro + 100-300mm + 400mm F5.6

      And new features in the GH3:
      – new sensor
      – Fast tracking AF
      – better EVF
      – weather sealing
      – Focus peaking

  • mma173

    Global and electronic shutters would set it apart from the others :) wish they will succeed to include any.

  • http://www.43rumours.com Bob

    Is there a reason panasonic will not implement IBIS in their bodies? Is it because:

    1: They did not do it from the start and manufactured lenses with IS in them rather than the body, and hence did not want to wipe out the sales of such lenses?

    2: A functional reason they cannot do it?

    3: It is patented by Olympus/Pentax/whoever else has IBIS?

    I’m not sure I could buy another camera body without IBIS to be honest. I want to be able to use fast primes like the 20mm image stabilized. Everyone seems to point out that you do not need IS at such a short focal range of 20mm (40mm equivalent on m43rds) but I think there is always a place for it to gain an extra stop if required. Put it this way, I would much rather be able to buy lighter, cheaper, more simple lenses where they do not require IS to be built in them.

    I feel like we will never have the camera we have all been waiting for for so long. Yes it can exist, it’s not really even that unrealistic and no it does not change every week/month. It has always been this for a while:

    – m43rds format
    – as compact as possible without being too small, aka E-M5, G3, GH2 is fine, any smaller is also fine.
    – Built in EVF
    – Good video performance including 24/25/30/60 fps selectable and high bit rate and good downscaling performance and features as in GH2.
    – IBIS
    – Weather sealed
    – under £800 with kit lens
    – Reasonable battery performance
    – No silly limitations
    – Integrated flash (if only basic still the option to use one as emergency)
    – Good stills performance (dont care who makes the sensor as long as performance is adequate)

    So basically the EM-5 with good video performance, integrated flash and lower price tag. I can get over the lack of integrated flash, but the price and video performance no.

  • Kir

    For me, GH2 & G3 could had already been high end if: They are built with sealed, full metal body, with higher capacity battery, and with two control dials.

  • Evjenij

    Ah, shit, not another dslr styled csc body. panasonic should save money, before Canon gets into the market with their own mirroless.

  • http://slrhut.co.uk/ Keith

    It’s indeed a bold attempt to step in among digital SLR giants with such specs.

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