(FT5) New Panasonic Micro Four Thirds camera(s) to be announced in late March-early April.

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This news comes via very reliable sources. Panasonic will release new Micro Four Thirds cameras (or cameras) in the period between late March-early April. I am working on the details yet but rumors from December pointed at a new GF and G camera release.

Still no news from Olympus, but I expect Oly to release the new f/2.8 zoom and the E-P5 in June.

Some surprise? I am still not sure about the GX camera model release and I heard about a new Panasonic MFT top video camera. But it’s all coming from anonymous new sources and I need some time to check that info. Olympus heavy stuff is coming the second half of the year.

In short: Stay tuned. Finally, five months after Photokina we can go back to some exciting rumor time!

Rumors classification explained (FT= FourThirds):
FT1=1-20% chance the rumor is correct
FT2=21-40% chance the rumor is correct
FT3=41-60% chance the rumor is correct
FT4=61-80% chance the rumor is correct
FT5=81-99% chance the rumor is correct

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  • matt

    top mft camera? would like to know more! bring it on! 😀

    • digifan

      He wrote top M43 VIDEO camera

      • Tron

        Probably an AF100 replacement announced at NAB.

      • matt

        I know, I´m oriented more towards video, that´s why I asked

  • andrew

    Let’s hope it is something that can compete with the OM-D.

    • djjgu

      The e-m5 has less than a stop advanatge compared to the GH2. The GH3 and the E-M5 have almost identical results at stills the GH3 has better video , a fully articulated LCD and better ergonomics , the E-M5 has an excellent 5 axis IS system for those who benefit from IS
      I am not overly concerned with IS as my in the low light shooting scenarios where IS is most useful, my usual subjects are moving meaning IS has no advanatge to me. As well as my still photography I am very interested in Video work where the GH3 moves ahead , the fully articulated LCD is a major issue to me.We are fortunate to have such great choices in the system,

      • cloudscapes

        You may not be overly concerned with IBS, but it’s a huge plus for those of us into low-light (indoor) handheld shooting. 2+ stop advantage right off the bat, if you’re a handheld shooter.

        • hdsjdyt

          You may not be overly concerned with IBS, but it’s a huge plus for those of us into low-light (indoor) handheld shooting. 2+ stop advantage right off the bat, if you’re a handheld shooter.

          Firstly you forgot to mention “static” otherwise IS doesn’t do anything and the guy specifically mentions that his low light shooting involves moving subjects thus negating any benefit from IS.So you need non moving subjects, with no use of any camera support that sounds like a very limited window of opportunity. With the new Panasonic f2.8 OIS lenses your two stop advanatge is limited to just a handful of lenses such as the 25mm F1.4 or the 7-14 { where IS is of very debatable value}all the fast native AF mFT lenses are in the 12-100 range { excluding the manual focus options } 24mm F2 , 45mmF1.8, 75mm F1.8 which gives you just one stop advanatge over the F2.8 zooms. So unless you shoot in a certain niche a lot it is not the mots useful feature for many of us. I want better high ISO so i can shoot with a decent shutter speed.

          • The determining factor is not moving subjects as such, but the need or desirability of low shutter speeds. Those can be desirable specifically for blurring motion to give the impression of speed, for making things like flowing water look nicer, etc.

            It also helps a fair bit against camera shake with somewhat higher shutter speeds, shake that could be caused by for example being in a hurry while taking a picture, an unstable underground (that is impossible to prevent, say in a train/bus/car) etc.

            People who keep going on about how a camera is no good without IBIS are being short-sighted, but ignoring the usefulness of stabilization for quite a few situations is just as short-sighted.

              • @jimd

                People are shooting many pictures without, and have done so for over a century, so it is quite possible to do without, hence ‘must have’ is just as silly as people saying its totally irrelevant. Both are demonstratively wrong.

                • Bollox

                  Always the long words, always to say stupid things. Have you got a girlfriend? Or a boyfriend, I don’t mind, I am open minded.

              • Garypen

                IS may be a must-have for some. IBIS, however, is simply a nice thing to have, as many lenses have IS built-in.

                Is IBIS more advantageous than in-lens IS? Yeah. But, it is not a must-have.

                • But if you find you needed it for the best shot ever then it would have been a should have had. That makes it a must have.

                  • Garypen

                    Nope. Not as long as in-lens IS is available. Then, it is merely advantageous.

                    • Ahh, Garry, I can use IBIS on my M lenses and my old adaptalls and my Zeiss and OM glass.
                      If you leave your OIS lens at home its not available.

          • IBIS is essential where a tripod cannot be used. And that could be anywhere, it just pops up.

            Its not nice to have its a must have. 1/6sec hand held.
            http://www.flickr.com/photos/54912595@N02/8477850462/in/photostream

  • Yun

    This is good timing ( after second half of the year ) to release highend mFT cameras .
    As for me , only upgrade anything above GX level & must in RF style . The new revolution sensor from Panasonic is a must have stuff .
    Also want to see what Olympus’s next OMD can come with ? Meanwhile I tempted with Fuji too , with it’s own innovation to challenge fullframe sensors .
    Let’s see if Pana still can convince me for my next purchase .

  • Me

    Panasonic G5 with GH3 sensor….. :):):)

  • Bob B.

    No new top-end cameras for a period of 6 months….or more..from Olympus or Panasonic…this is good news…maybe when the new cameras are actually available for purchase they will contain some significant improvents, instead of just smaller incremental ones. If so…well worth the wait time.

  • Beautemps

    Who cares for a new GF with the old 16MP livemos (G5, GX1)?

    A G-Modell with the Sonysensor and new highresolution EVF would be very interesting for users that don’t need perfekt video and weather-sealing.
    But will there be a rangefinder GX2 side by side with a G-Modell??? Doesn’t make much sense to me.

    • digifan

      I care for a new GFx but only with the GH3 sensor.
      The GF-series is very small, smaller even than the E-
      PM2 AND has build in flash. The flash should be capable of triggering remote flash though, like Olympus.
      I’ve got it with the pancake 14mm for my son’s birthday. I must say I want one too but with improved sensor only. I can easily fit into a coat pocket without drawing attention.
      I wish Olympus would make such model, super small with built in flash, touch LCD. It definately has it’s use also for Pro photography.

      • Beautemps

        Oly did that Step, and E-PM2 and E-PL5 seem to have the best image quality.
        But I guess Pana won’t go for that. They still might have capacities for their own old sensor (guess it is a sony in GH3) and will build that in the low end cam. Altough the 16MP Pana-Sensor is not too bad in RAW…

        • tiyo[p

          not too bad as in less than one stop difference between it and the E-M5. The 16mp sensor in the G5 is never further than 0.25 stops away from the E-M5 in every area except low ISO DR where the E-M5 is up to 0.75 better this difference is not that significant.Certainly nothing to get to excited about.The G5 is probably the best value mix of quality-price in our system at the moment

        • twoomy

          One big image difference that doesn’t get mentioned much is in LONG exposures (5-60 seconds or more). Not everybody is into that, but I am. Sony sensors are worlds ahead, delivering relatively clean results for time exposures, star trails, etc.

          The Pany sensors are HORRIBLE for this sort of thing. Even a 10-second exposure has massive amounts of chroma noise, rendering the image almost unusable, even if you have long-exposure noise reduction turned on.

          • QBNY

            BULLCRAP… I just took some 30 sec exposures RAW shots with my GX1 just a couple of weeks ago. I’ll put a couple up, untouched to prove you’re full of it.

  • andres

    Vaporware, again.

  • lolcat

    One thing Panasonic must have if they want to be the top MFT camera: IBIS

    • Miroslav

      +100
      although highly unlikely :(.

    • Bob B.

      Yeah…the IBIS on the OMD is sweet….really is an incredible image-making asset.

      • tiyo[p

        how does that work out for moving subjects ?

        • bonzo

          Why do people always bring up the “moving objects” argument when it comes to down to IBIS? Of course it doesnt help but heck it doesnt hurt either and static objects benefit for sure from IBIS…

          • Jun ong grdn

            I think that the reason many people bring up the subject of movement is due to the very wide range of shooting scenarios that include movement .Combine this with the number of static subjects where you are able to utilise any kind of camera support from a tripod down to a beanbag and the utility of IS of any kind is quite limited, the suggestion by those who push IS is that it is some amazing feature that makes every camera that does not have it built in useless.

            The most successful camera brands in the world NIkon and Canon do not seem to have a problem with not having IS in their bodies. The issue is not with the value of IS but rather with the hugely exaggerated value placed on it typically here by OLympus owners who have zero intention of ever buying a Panasonic camera and simply using it as a provacatory statement. Panasonic have made their policy regarding OIS very clear , With their OIS zoom lenses now covering a range from 24-600mm equiv including fixed F2.8 lenses in the 24-200mm equiv AOV, the utility of Built in IS is limited to the handful of native lenses faster than F2.8 of which native AF lenses account for the 17,20,45,75mm all at F1.7-8 a fraction over one stop faster than the F2.8 zooms,so the 25m F1.4 has the most advantage , the UWA lenses are certainly slower but then at 7mm you can use a pretty slow shutter speed.
            All this brings us back to the conclusion that the utility of IS is indeed limited to ow light slow shutter speed scenarios with static subjects. Which may or may not be important to you ,

            • The relevance of stabilization is such that all brands that do not have in-camera stabilization offer a wide range of stabilized lenses. Prices for those are significantly higher then for their non stabilized variations, which is an additional indication of its relevance.

              They really wouldn’t be doing that if stabilization was mostly a non-issue, and people wouldn’t be paying those prices either.

              That said, the relevance is limited to situations that do not involve stopping motion, and where using a support is not an option.

              Using a support isn’t an option?

              There is no support on the middle of a road, and setting up a tripod there to get some support isn’t a very wise option usually.

              Setting up a tripod or bean-bag with camera takes a fair bit more time then just framing a shot. That may be a non-issue, but may also be a very huge issue, depending on the situation.

              Carrying additional equipment like a bean-bag or tripod isn’t always an option either.

              With all respect, you are right that using some kind of support is an option in certain situations, but it is really not correct that it is always an option or even an option in most situations.

              Bottomline is that it makes taking pictures easier, faster, and possibly less dangerous. How true that is for you specifically is something only you can judge. How true this is for someone else is something you cannot judge.

            • Sorry, forgot one thing (and no edit button)

              It is not totally limited to low-light situations either, it is useful in all situations where lower shutter speeds are needed or desirable, which includes things like taking pictures of for example a fountain in broad daylight.

              • Admin, please bring back the edit. It is more important than Dxo oxo or whatever it is. even more important than OLY v pany brickbatting, Umm, well its important

              • Milt

                I am glad those who have IBIS enjoy it. I have a Panasonic camera, and don’t miss it personally.

                What I do have some doubts about is the statements that the price of lenses is higher because of built-in IOS. I suspect that lens prices are driven by the market. The prices of Olympus lenses are not noticeably cheaper, whatever their focal length or construction – especially for the ones I covet!

              • Bollox

                Relax, we are not itching to read you.

                • There is nothing forcing you to read, so don’t if you don’t want to.

                  But no, you have to make totally stupid comments instead… go get a life.

        • Bob B.

          LOL! it isn’t for moving subjects? Why would you ask.
          It is also a two-stop option in low-light that I do not have with my Panasonic camera, regardless of the lens I have on it.
          Find fault all you want…it is a GREAT asset!

        • 43soup

          Don’t forget video. The 5-way IBIS is great for making smooth hand-held videos. Although the EM5’s video image quality is not good as my hacked, GH1, the smoothness of the video more than makes up for it (of course, this is a mute point if you use a tripod). Looking forward to a more proper video implementation from Olympus!

    • Ross

      That’s one of the reasons why I really like the OM-D & wouldn’t consider a Panasonic camera without it.

    • fan_guo_lai_xiang_xiang

      agreed… IBIS + fast lens + nice sensor = WIN

      • Anonymous

        I find IS to be the most overrated feature ever,unless your shooting in low light is limited to static subjects { and you cannot use a tripod gorillapod or whatever} it does nothing. Obviously if your type of shooting involves a lot of low light static subjects then it is a winner personally I don’t see it. There are already fast zoom lenses from 12-100mm { 24-200mm FF equiv} and IS zooms out to 600mm FF equiv, Panasonic has a super fast 42.5mm F1.2 along with a 150mm F2.8 both with OIS so Panasonic users are not exactly stuck. Now . if low light statistic shots are your forte ten go Olympus otherwise who cares.

        • fan_guo_lai_xiang_xiang

          Of course, I agree completely that it depends on what you prefer to do. I like to take street shots in low light, and in this respect it’s very convenient as I do not need a tripod. I’m also thinking about wide angle shots indoors, considering that both 7-14 and 9-18 are not really that fast and not stabilized. I’m thinking cathedrals and temples and such, whatever you get in front of the lens when traveling.

          • Anonymous

            I am not saying that it has zero use just that its benefits are most useful in a very specific shooting scenarios. I have the 7-14 and though slow you can get a way with a very slow shutter speed due to the very short focal length. I can see situations where it will give a hand but in most circumstances it is simply a non issue.

            • You are absolutely right that it is mostly useful in specific situations, but it really depends on your photography how common those situations are. If you do a lot of ‘night’ photography where stopping motion isn’t much of a consideration, then it will be extremely useful for most situations that you encounter. If you are doing sports or other action photography, its mostly useless.

              Being able to shoot at say 1/3 sec instead of 1/15, and being able to use some 2 – 2 1/2 stops lower ISO level really helps, so even for the 7-14 it is not a ‘non issue’ at all. Stabilization not being useful for short focal lengths is a rather misguided argument because as long as stopping motion isn’t an issue, you always gain from using a lower but still ‘hand-holdable’ shutter speed and consequently being able to use lower iso level or getting better (more) DOF. That you can already hand-hold 7mm at approx 1/15 (for example) really doesn’t change that.

              That said, its not like a camera without it is unusable or such, rather not actually.

              Blanket statements about how a camera can’t do without it are about as pointless as blanket statements about it not being relevant in most cases.

              • Frank Cains

                @Bart
                HI Bart, what night shooting do you do that includes no motion and does not allow the use of a camera support ( which allows the use of any shutter sped ISO combination you desire) . I am also in the IS is overrated camp ( sorry lol) of course it has its uses but it certainly wouldn’t keep me away from a camera I was keen on. The facts are that none of the best cameras in the world provide built in IS , yet probably hundreds of thousands of pro shooters mange to get on just fine without it.

                • What kind of night scenes where stopping motion is no issue?

                  Oh eh, like buildings, parked cars, graffiti, and basicly anything that doesn’t include people.

                  Why not use a tripod?

                  Because I don’t usually carry one around, so am not very likely to have one available when seeing something?

                  Because putting your tripod on the middle of a road is usually not such a good idea, especially during the night when drivers are even less likely to see you in time? (not to mention the fine it may get you)

                  Because putting up a tripod and camera in a somewhat shady area is a very good way of getting robbed?

                  I can think of many more situations, but I think those 3 will quite do.

                  See, that it is possible to use a tripod when going out on a photo shoot where you know beforehand you need one is one thing, but thats really not how many people take their pictures.

                  Also, if you read my previous post more carefully, you’ll see that I won’t just skip on a camera that happens to have no IS, but I do consider it a useful feature, just like I consider a tripod socket a very useful feature even if I’m not in the situation often where using a tripod makes sense or is possible at all. Coming from that position, arguing that a tripod socket is overrated would be easy, but is quite non-sensical.

                  • Beautemps

                    But it is all about the OMD Features. PEN’s IBIS is too bad. So, it ist only relevant for GH3-Interests. And these are often Video&Foto freaks.

                    That will be an interesting discussion if Oly brings an E-P5 without big hump and good 5-axis IBIS.

                    • NFT

                      i want multi-aspect back !!

                    • E-M5’s IBIS is much better then the one of the PENs, but that still doesn’t make the one in the PENs useless.

                      For video, if you are doing serious video and can plan on that, having some kind of stabilizing rig or tripod is a real option and works much better then stabilized lenses or in-camera stabilization, but for those that use video as an extra (in addition to still photography), having stabilized lenses or in-body stabilization may be even more useful for video then for still images.

                      So it really depends on what you are using your camera for, blanket statements won’t cover it.

                  • Anonymous

                    @Bart

                    What kind of night scenes where stopping motion is no issue?

                    Oh eh, like buildings, parked cars, graffiti, and basicly anything that doesn’t include people.

                    Or moving vehicles or moving vegetation etc

                    Why not use a tripod?

                    Because I don’t usually carry one around, so am not very likely to have one available when seeing something?

                    There are all sorts of supports for cameras especially cameras as small as mFT everything from bean bags to gorilla pods which can fit in a pocket, there is also often street furniture of many sorts in an urban situation which you can clip your gorrilapod to or use as a support itself

                    Because putting your tripod on the middle of a road is usually not such a good idea, especially during the night when drivers are even less likely to see you in time? (not to mention the fine it may get you)

                    Does standing in the middle of the road looking through an EVF make you safer ?

                    Because putting up a tripod and camera in a somewhat shady area is a very good way of getting robbed?

                    Yes, no sane criminal would think a camera has any worth with all those shiny tripods tempting him lol

                    I can think of many more situations, but I think those 3 will quite do.

                    As with all IS situations there are usually simple solutions to the problem many of which such as camera support are better as you can typically set any aperture and ISO you desire

                    See, that it is possible to use a tripod when going out on a photo shoot where you know beforehand you need one is one thing, but thats really not how many people take their pictures.

                    Isn’t it ? as mentioned a gorillapod etc are small light and pocket sized we are not talking heavy duty industrial tripods , simply something you can throw in your glove box, camera bag or pocket

                    Also, if you read my previous post more carefully, you’ll see that I won’t just skip on a camera that happens to have no IS, but I do consider it a useful feature, just like I consider a tripod socket a very useful feature even if I’m not in the situation often where using a tripod makes sense or is possible at all. Coming from that position, arguing that a tripod socket is overrated would be easy, but is quite non-sensical.

                    What is nonsensical are the posts by Olympus fanboys every time a potential Panasonic camera is announced going on about IS when Panasonic have made it clear that OIS is their choice.

                    • Could you at least try to make clear somehow which parts you are quoting, and what is your own text? This is beyond unreadable.

                      Let me just say that no, you did not at all make clear that there are almost always better solutions, you made clear that you are totally unable to look beyond your own situation where it might often or almost always be possible. No, I don’t travel by car (it would double my commuting time at the very least to do so), no I generally don’t have a camera bag on me, or when I do, it is a very small one that just fits a camera and a few prime lenses, no even a gorilla pad (I own one) does not fit, and no I am not going to take a larger bag with me either when not needed.

                      One thing you are for example completely ignoring is that the time it takes to take a camera from your pocket (and yes, an E-M5 or smaller m4/3 camera with pancake totally fits the pockets of my summer and winter coats), frame a picture, and stow it away again is really only a fraction of the time you need for setting up any kind of tripod, no matter how small. This alone makes it possible to keep the camera out of sight unless you are actually taking a picture when in a shady area of town.

                      Another thing you totally ignore is that this difference in time simply means that you can step onto a road, make a picture, and be gone again before traffic hits you.

                      Yet another thing you totally ignore is that using tripods, monopods or resting your camera on something for support is not allowed AT ALL in certain places, such as in many musea, churches etc.

                      You also seem to have never experienced security guards making a huge issue out of you setting up a tripod outside the building they guard (which is typically totally legal but they make issues regardless), while they don’t even get the time to respond when you don’t use one.

                      One thing in which you are right is what you say about people insisting on claiming that Pana needs to add ibis. Indeed they won’t and it is silly to keep asking for it for obvious reasons.

                      That however is no reason for stubbornly refusing to realize the extreme usefulness of stabilization for many people, which goes a bit beyond extreme dark scenes with no motion (and note that I do NOT say IBIS, but stabilization in general, so that includes Pana’s OIS enabled lenses as well),

                      Put differently, do you really think Panasonic, Nikon, Canon and whomever else, let alone their customers, would even bother with stabilized lenses if there were almost always better alternatives? That is really just as silly as the people who are arguing that Panasonic should add IBIS.

                • Frank “The facts are that none of the best cameras in the world provide built in IS , yet probably hundreds of thousands of pro shooters mange to get on just fine without it.”
                  That’s because pros have $ to throw at their gear to fit the shooting requirements. They also have OIS, bet they use it when they don’t have TV lighting to cover their need for light.

                  As for IBIS if you have it you can use it. If you don’t you can’t. For the person who has a system limited by budget it is quite important. Why buy something over and over (OIS) when you only need to buy it once. Buying faster lenses is is a very very expensive and therfore silly alternative.

                  I take shots now that I look at and say to myself I could not have taken that without IBIS. If I made videos I would have the Panasonic, I already have 3 pany movie cameras I do not use much, so I went for the stills with IBIS. Definitely the right move for me from a use and cost perspective.

        • “Panasonic has a super fast 42.5mm F1.2 along with a 150mm F2.8 both with OIS”

          Please tell us where you can buy those lenses, or better, where you got your time machine!

        • Anonymous

          Those two lenses does not exist yet. I find IBIS useful when paired with f0.95 lenses in really dim light: walking people are not a concern at all (and they’re moving objects) with these combos. Of course I don’t need/want to take a photo of a sport event. So, IMO, IBIS is a nice and useful add.

  • Miroslav

    G6 and GF6 with GH3/E-M5 sensor will be enough, although some software enhancements ( focus peaking/digital split image, HDR, other stacking modes stc. ) would be welcome.

  • Yun

    Yes , IBIS is important in Pana body otherwise you won’t get the best from Zuiko lenses , especially the long tele 75mm F1.8 . I know cause I’m using GX1 to shoot with it .
    Still I think there is hope , Pana is going to implement it if they want to be known as highend products .
    Let’s wait & see .

    • Jun ong grdn

      You will not get the best from the 75mm F1.8 in situations where you cannot use a shutter speed, fast enough , which falls into the realms of lower light shooting and preferably slow or static subjects.. You need a scenario where you cannot use camera support, have low enough light not to be able to get a decent shutter speed at any ISO setting, yet are shooting a non moving subject .It doesn’t sound like such a do or die feature to me . The 75mm F1.8 is just over one stop faster than the Panasonic F2.8 zooms meaning in reality you have only a one stop advantage .

    • Anonymous

      So wait, because the GX1 doesn’t have ibis, you can’t take pictures? It it really THAT limiting? It isn’t.
      Asking for ibis on a Panasonic body is like asking for a eigth day in the week. It’s not goin to happen.
      So you have two options:
      1) Jump ship and go to Olympus.
      2) Stay with Panasonic and deal with it.
      Panasonic does have lenses with ios, so it’s not the end of the world. But if you really need ibis, go Oly. People act like spoiled brats sometimes. It’s like the Canon crowd bitching about the 6D because it doesn’t have a ton of focus points, but only shoot with the center point anyways.

  • Frede

    All I need is a integrated EVF that has ZERO hump at the back of the camera. That’s why I like the Panasonic patent with the articulated EVF. I need to put the camera in tight pockets, but EVF is a must, so no GX1 or EPL5 for me.

    • Milt

      +1

    • I agree with a built in non ‘stick on’ articulated EVF. Best idea since articulated screens, mirrorless, live view and IBIS,
      I can never understand why all EVF units are not articulated. The add on ones that so many use now adays are articulated because its useful. So why not when they are integrated?
      A rangefinder style body with articulated EVF in the top left (from rear) would be great.

  • James

    What teh new pana cameras must have is….. availability!

    • Mr Moo

      Precisely. Consider the current (non-) availability of the GH3. When these new cameras are announced in, let’s say, April, are we looking at a general availability date of October? Rather than wait, I’ll use my new G5 (arrives today) until then and possibly beyond.

      • Frank Cains

        the unavailability of the GH3 seems to be limited to the USA the GH3 has been in stock here in the UK since well before Christmas 2012 ( perhaps Panasonic are just supplying the most profitable markets first ) . Plus I think that the uptake of mFT is higher here . Maybe it is a downside to the USA having the lowest priced camera gear in the world lol

        http://camerapricebuster.com/Panasonic_Lumix_DMC-GH3_Body_pc.html

        • Mr Moo

          Makes sense to me. Thanks for your comment. 🙂

          • What is a S35? Never heard of one before.

            • Sorry Mr Moo wrong place.

              Admin please get edit working. I keep embarrassing myself in public. (OK. what’s new Jim you never have been a shrinking violet have I)

  • Paul Alexander

    It might be time to start an S35Rumors.com website
    There will be no point in a MFT Pro camera for example.
    By the time Panasonic and others figure out what is needed in the Prosumer market…they will also have figured out that the sensor needs to be S35.
    Sorry

    • What is a S35? Never heard of one before.

  • NFT

    no surprise pana new GF with new 20mega pixel

  • CS

    Any advice? (long post follows)

    I’m always waiting! Now I feel the urge to wait more to see these new cameras 🙂 !

    After waiting and waiting for one camera that better fits the bill, the G5 was almost there. But for about the same price, it seems I can fulfill my low-light needs with something like the Nikon D5100 with 18-55 kit slow lens plus a 35 or 50/1.8 and just take the weight and size penalty.

    What I’m trying to do:
    I want to replace my (venerable and loved, don’t get me wrong) GF1. I was all set to finally get the G5 when it dropped to $500 currently at Adorama until I saw the reportedly disappointing low-light performance at DxO Mark.

    What I’m trying to improve from the GF1 is dynamic range, low-light performance, maybe some focus improvements, so that I can:

    1. use it outdoors (on hiking/climbing/backpacking trips) without getting some much highlight blowout (an EVF helps here; I had to buy the attachment for the GF1 because I couldn’t see anything on the screen in bright sunlight!),
    2. carry around in my bag so that I have it with me most of the time (light weight, light lenses) back and forth to work and for travel,
    3. take photos of my kids at soccer games, typically in harsh, overhead, bright sunlight with a tele,
    4. take photos of my kids, dog, holidays, family in general, indoors in poor light.

    These needs compete with each other, of course, and the GF1 has been a pretty good compromise and is a fun camera. I use the 20/1.7, the kit 14-42, and the 45-175 X zoom. But it compromises pretty much in all of those areas, and I miss a lot of soccer (typically focus) and in-home (typically blurry b/c even at 1.7 shutter speed stays at 1/30 to keep ISO low enough; the GF1 gets quite a bit of noise above iso 400) shots. So I decided to upgrade.

    I’m now coming to the idea that I may be better served by having a second camera that is better in low light and use it mostly around the house for family shots and outdoors in the evenings (my most likely scenarios, to be honest; I’m just a casual “soccer-dad” kind of shooter, I must admit to myself, whatever my aspirations).

    Maybe this rumored G6 (or G7) would fit the bill, but with my budget I have to stay a generation or more behind, so I would still be looking at a G5 now or waiting ~a year to get the G6 when the next version starts causing discounts on that one to replace my GF1 mainly for scenarios 1 and 2 above.

    How would you solve this problem?

    Thanks for any advice!

    • AW

      This is my exact predicament as well. Since I am hesitant to spend the extra money on new G model, I will probably get the G5 while it is currently discounted. Does anyone have experience in indoor lighting with young children and a G5/p20mm to share? Any other advice would be helpful though.

      • Anonymous

        Kids indoors? You will need a flash and bounce off the ceiling. There is no lens fast enough.

    • I’d save up to buy an Olympus OM-D E-M5. You can keep keep all of your lenses and not have to buy any new ones like you would for the Nikon. You would be paying a little more (around $100 more for a refurbished/lightly used OM-D) than the Nikon with the 50mm but it would definitely be worth it. It is a better camera than the Nikon. You wouldn’t be giving up size and you would get a great weather sealed body with IBIS, a great screen and fantastic image quality with excellent low-light performance.

    • Anonymous

      Just get a G5. It’s cheap and trumps the GF1 in performance. Plus it has an articulated touch screen that can assist you when you’re shooting your kids. You can actually look thru the VF and move the focus point with your finger on the touch screen.

  • Fish

    I with Panasonic fans that people need to stop talking about IBIS. Panasonic isnt going to do it and it has already been brought up so many times already that people have become hyper sensitive on the subject.

    But, I disagree with the claim that IBIS is only useful for static subjects. That is pure nonsense and I dont know how that mantra ever got off the ground. IBIS wont freeze a moving subject, but if you are trying to communicate that the subject is moving, you never wanted to freeze it in the first place·??? What IBIS allows you to do is feature that moving subject against a sharp foreground and background – a powerful effect compared to a photo where everything is blurry or out of focus (which communicates that the camera was moving instead of the subject).

    And saying that IBIS is not useful because you could just carry a tripod instead is kind of like saying that fast lenses arent useful because you could just carry strobes and creamy backdrop cloths instead.

    • Exactly.

      Not to mention, you need some form of stabilization for that, which doesn’t have to be IBIS really.

    • Anonymous

      I with Panasonic fans that people need to stop talking about IBIS. Panasonic isnt going to do it and it has already been brought up so many times already that people have become hyper sensitive on the subject.

      I suspect that it is Olympus fans not Panasonic fans who are presumably aware of the choice Panasonic has made.

      But, I disagree with the claim that IBIS is only useful for static subjects. That is pure nonsense and I dont know how that mantra ever got off the ground. IBIS wont freeze a moving subject, but if you are trying to communicate that the subject is moving, you never wanted to freeze it in the first place•??? What IBIS allows you to do is feature that moving subject against a sharp foreground and background – a powerful effect compared to a photo where everything is blurry or out of focus (which communicates that the camera was moving instead of the subject).

      Seriously you are suggesting an overused gimmick as a solution to all moving subject scenarios, good luck with that though it is very popular with mFT users due to the dreadful C-AF , you can claim its artistic not just out of focus lol

      And saying that IBIS is not useful because you could just carry a tripod instead is kind of like saying that fast lenses parent useful because you could just carry strobes and creamy backdrop cloths instead.

      What about using environmental items to support the camera, bean bags, pocket tripods, gorilla pods etc all of which are either very small and light or don’t have to be carried at all, modern streets are filled with all sorts of artifacts useful or not.I think anyone commenting on this has not said that IS is useless just limited in its application.

  • xox

    It all depends on how to effectively use a tool given to you. Motion blur is not necessary a bad thing if u know how to use it to it’s advantage.

    And guys, please remember that a product is never cater to you alone. It’s meant to target a group of audiences, and that we all value different things with different priority.

    And I’m glad that Panasonic and Olympus offers different features.

    Thus having product choices is great.

    Cheers.

  • safaridon

    Good News F5 – Since Gf5 announced in March 12 and G5 in July 12 then this likely means both are changing over to the new GH3 sensor much as Oly products did to their models last fall with EM5 sensor. If you watch BCN sales rankings for Japan it would appear that in recent months Pany has run short of their production for the Asian market for the change over but surplus in US hence the bargain sales?

    I find the strong hint of also a new higher end m4/3 video camera also very interesting as would seem to fit the description of the Pany patent rangefinder model with thicker body to accomodate tilting EVF, larger battery for video use, a larger capacity flash, and hopefully an articulating LCD screen? My guess is Pany will also produce a smaller GX2 similar to present GX1 model but with new GH3 sensor with the rangefinder video camera coming this fall?

    • Milt

      I hope you are right but I suspect it will be a dedicated video camera rather than a rangefinder with video.

  • Pat

    NAB is in the first part of April, Ill bet its a new MFT video camera.

  • true homer

    Back to the ibis idiocy again…I thought it was over..how naive of me..

  • “Panasonic MFT top video camera”

    Perhaps an AF100 upgrade. Actually, comparing the AF100 to the other 100s (Canon C100 US$6500 and Sony FS100 $4200 thru March 31 at B&H….interesting, perhaps Sony has something new to offer at NAB), the AF100 does not seem all that obsolete.

    As an MFT device, AF100 of course has a small sensor. But all three 100s are 24mbps AVCHD and need an external recorder to shoot ProRes. C100 is an overpriced rip. NFS boosts it cuz Canon’s a hefty advertiser. I’d say the tossup is between Pan & Sony. Ultimately, however, the BMCC MFT if it ever gets shipped is the bargain thus far if you have passive lenses.

  • Zeus

    Looking w/great anticipation toward the new m43 videocam, probably the “AF200”. Sure to be disappointed in some aspect, but if they take this one seriously: seriously good EVF (#1 most important), seriously decent codec, SNR & color, they could have a real contender.

    Think outside the box, Pana! This could be the little cam that Could. It doesn’t clash w/ Pana’s higher-end offerings, while creating a serious alternative B-cam, analogous to an APS-C body to go with FF.

    Should they also get a little creative with the size/shape/modularity to allow for a really nice low profile handheld configuration, in a body with advanced controls for AF and focus assist, like GH3 touch screen AF while viewing thru EVF (how about + assist Magnifiy on the LCD screen WHILE viewing thru clean uncluttered EVF?), then it could be a lower cost Canon C beater, and be “good enough” to be a real hit.

    • Zeus

      ps. Don’t let anyone fool you, in this category (AF200) the future belongs to those that make precision Easier to achieve. Usable, Controllable AF will set that winner apart. (Pana is in a good place to do this, they seem so close! Remember the AF in the AF100 lines’s name…) Self-contained no-rig-required shooting whenever desired, without 100 compromises.

  • siuwan

    I shoot with an ancient Nikon D70, and came to this page to check out the latest (u43) camera development as I am ready to downsize. Quite shock to see all these argument over IBIS. You hear ppl claiming IBIS is useless, while some cannot live without.
    Not that I know much about photography, but don’t we already know, “for most of the time”:
    – IBIS helps with low night photography, for steady object (assuming you want to counter hand-shake)
    – IBIS does not help with moving objects, regardless of how steady your cam or hands are…
    again, most but not all of the time…

    I must be missing something… we all use our camera differently, so why should one care if IBIS is useful for someone else or not? 95% of my pics are my two little ones moving/crawling (yes, with a fast-ish 1.8 prime) so IBIS is ‘useless’ in that sense. However, I sure won’t mind the feature if I don’t have to sacrifice cost/weight/IQ etc… sorry, end of rant…

    • IBIS is a feature that Panny users miss, therefore they are in denial. I had cameras with and without.

      Apart from specific uses, the main difference I found was in the way I had to hold the camera to avoid handshake. One must be much more careful, and in low light raise the shutterspeed.

      Small cameras are very prone to handshake, especially when shooting with no EVF, and with one hand only.

      • Anonymous

        How can ibis be something Panny users miss, when Panny users NEVER had ibis in the first place??

        • Its a statement. Not a question. Then a comment on the statement. All in the first line. Good economy of words and made very clearly.

          • Anonymous

            It’s an opinion, that is questionable. If Panasonic users never had IBIS on their MFT bodies, HOW can it be missed?? Since when does almaric speak for the Panasonic masses? How does he know they’re in denial? How does he know that they don’t shoot with a tripod or use lenses with IOS?

            It’s a meaningless statement, that’s all it is. Maybe trying to get a rise, but only looks stupid.

            Typing just to type, not making any sense.

            • ‘I missed the money hand out’ therfore I don’t have any. That is the context of Almaric’s post.
              It is possible to miss something because you don’t have it anymore. It is also possible to miss something because you were not in a position to get it, whatever ‘it’ may be.
              Now do you want any additional explanations?

  • Lucasz

    Now let me see, what might the new release be? The GH3u with the same sensor and specs but with a great new strap and the option of a deeper tripod mount? Might be missing that one too.

    I bought into M43 three years ago. Great size for travel and, erm… Well anyway, great size for travel.

  • adaptor-or-die

    this argument over in-camera vs lens IS seems kind of moot? It’s kind of obvious that Olympus owns the patent and copyrights to the whole sensor-moving IS tech. All other companies are using in-lens methods for the very fact, they don’t have any other choice. Until the patent runs out and then magically, they will all think suddenly it’s the best thing ever. Until that time arrives, if you want it, you go to the company that owns the rights and that total’s one at this point.

    (Even other brands that have pseudo in-camera IS use it on mounted fixed lens systems, and are simply in-lens on a fixed lens/body system,) so again. It’s patents that are ruling the choices, not who is using the better system? Olympus came up with the idea first and will likely retain the rights and not licence it out, because that feature to them is the best solution. Until everyone can use it, all you will hear is negatives from competitors and positives from Olympus. And when people pick up this hyperbole, they are good little brand-affiliated buyers! Your favourite company’s have taught you well.

    As to the debate over IS or no IS? There is a simple logic to having IS in a camera. Because if you do, you can TURN IT OFF. If you don’t have it, you can’t turn it on. This covers just about any argument over when and where it’s most useful. Having the option is useful. More useful than not having it. And if you don’t want to pay for such a feature, you have that option with other systems that have none. All IS systems no matter what the design, allow you turn them on and off and there is a reason for that, choice.

    If you don’t have that choice, you are by default limited by your options. Will a camera work without it? Of course. Is it an aid like AF, AE etc. Of course.

  • Panasonic Thread Hijacking Society aka IBIS 4 ALL

    IBIS is for arm waving amateurs, camera poseurs, nervous pensioners, alcoholics, nicotine addicts, cocain addicts and post traumatic stress disorder sufferers, to name a few. On behalf of all these user groups, IBIS 4 ALL advocates IBIS 4 ALL. Get the word out that IBIS 4 ALL wants IBIS 4 ALL. In case you didn’t catch that, tell whoever whatever whenever whereever that IBIS 4 ALL wants IBIS 4 ALL.

    • MarcoSartoriPhoto

      And ABS on cars is for people who can’t drive on slippery streets?..

    • Iso above one per 36 shots, auto focus, TLR. SLR, digital, auto exposure, using batteries, Black lenses, live view, adjustable displays. (just displays), setting visualisation without looking at the lens and camera, thinking f0.95 lenses are new, IOS, sensors, IBIS, focal plane shutters, timers.
      Making every shot count because film cost a lot.

      All steps forward. Don’t you like progress. But then, once a fool always a fool.

  • Adaptor-or-die.
    “All other companies are using in-lens methods for the very fact, they don’t have any other choice”
    Ever heard of Sony. They have used IBIS ever since they took over the Konica Minolta set up. The issue is not patents. Its the fact that at one point in time companies decided to use IOS. Once that decision was made and lenses rolled out why change? There would have been upheaval of the customer base and possibly additional cost. (though it would have been cheaper). Earlier in the use of stabilisation the lenses followed the movie cameras, the OIS was in many cases better than IBIS. That has not been the given for several years. The arrival of the Oly 5 way IBIS has created a better stabiliser, but only until someone makes a better one.
    The fact that Pany has gone for IOS and Oly for IBIS is great, let those that want one or the other have what they want. OR just turn them off as you make a point of saying.

    • Until the advent of digital, in-camera stabilization wasn’t a viable option.

      • Could have had some seriously kinked film and real ‘tie dye’ effect. Might be interesting as a once off.

  • IBIS 4 ALL

    Olympus, Pentax and Sony Alpha (not Nex) interchangeable lens cameras have IBIS. Olympus, Pentax and Sony Alpha interchangeable lens cameras dominate the camera market. All three IBIS giants are recording record profits. Because photography is not possible without IBIS. All images taken without IBIS are not real images. They are IBISless. The world needs IBIS. Drug and alcohol dependency combined with stress and psychological disorders have led to a drastic need for IBIS. Support IBIS and stockpile Olympus, Pentax and Sony cameras with IBIS. By doing so, you will ensure that these three IBIS giants will continue to dominate the camera world. Tell whoever whatever whenever whereever that IBIS 4 ALL wants IBIS 4 ALL.

    • Milt

      Good grief! Does this poster work for a IBIS subcontractor?

      IBIS – ie EM-5 IBIS – is good for some and they enjoy it. Others are happy with in lens stabilization. Enjoy!

      • Garypen

        Look up “sarcasm” and “irony” at dictionary.com, as you are obviously not familiar with it, even when it is waving a flag, and smacking you in the face with it.

        • truer homer 2

          shut up.

    • truer homer 2

      Knock knock who’s there? SHUT UP.

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