(FT4) UPDATED: New Panasonic with large sensor will be very similar to the Lumix DMC-L1 (or Leica Digilux)!

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UPDATE: Sounds like the LX5 will have an a nice new design and simple controls similar to the Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1Panasonic DMC-L1Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1.

An italian website (with very good reputation) said that there was a presentation for the press in Sweden (July 7). They also said the camera will look like the Leica Digilux 3Leica Digilux 3Leica Digilux 3Leica Digilux 3Leica Digilux 3Leica Digilux 3Leica Digilux 3Leica Digilux 3Leica Digilux 3Leica Digilux 3Leica Digilux (click here to read the specs of this old nice camera)Leica Digilux 3 which has almost the same design as the DMC-L1.
Source: http://www.pmstudionews.com/ (Sorry…italian only)

Contact me at 43rumors@gmail.com if you want share your “rumors”. We really want to know when Panasonic is going to announce the camera :)

UPDATE: We were told that there is a large sensor compact camera (announcement in July) AND a LX3 small sensor successor (announcement in September). We don’t know yet if the first camera will be called LX5 and the second something else or viceversa. Sorry for the confusion! Some of our sources can help us to clear that open question? Thanks!

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  • doozer

    So now it’s the LX5 which get’s the FT sensor??? Sorry, but your rumours don’t gain any credibility if you are mixing your own stories…

    • admin

      Hi Doozer!
      Sorry for the confusion. There will be a large sensor camera now and a LX3 successor before Photokina. What we still don’t know is if the first camera will called LX5 and the second something else or viceversa…

  • Jayayess1190

    Do want!

  • Nathan

    I would have loved a new Panasonic Four Thirds or Micro Four Thirds DMC-L1 replacement. It sure was a nice camera, tough body, and very nice ergonomics.

    Panasonic doesn’t have any current four thirds offerings, so I would say they should replace that camera with something with 14MP and modern sensor from GH2…….

  • Godot

    My question for you, Admin, is how sure you are that two high-end Panasonic compacts are coming?

    Do you have certain sources who know for a fact that both exist, or is it possible that multiple sources are creating some confusion and all talking about just one camera and not two?

    • admin

      Hi Godot!
      In that case we had one good source that said there will be two cameras. One large sensor now and one “small” sensor before Photokina. All sources do say the large sensor compact camera is coming now. But there is a confusion with the name. No source gave me the name of the large sensor camera but the Panasonic LX5 database leak would suggest that the large sensor camera will be called LX5. That’s the source of the confusion.

      So I repeat, everybody says large sensor now, but nobody gave me the name of the camera…

  • Godot

    Interesting. Thanks for the answer.

    • admin

      Really, sources are sometimes very cryptic and it is easy to make mistakes :) But I am 100% certain something veeeeery nice is coming. And that is what matters!

  • don

    There seems to be more than just a little confusion on the rumors of these new Pany cameras and which one is which? For starters this is not the LX5 and if it is like the L1 or Leica Digilux similar model it will be larger not smaller than the GF1? Pany has already said that they will be producing a smaller very thin and lightweight HQ camera so expect a smaller GF also in the works for this year or maybe they were referring to the new LX5 to come? Similarily Pany has indicated they will produce a smaller more affordable m4/3 model than the GF1 just as they produced both a G2 and the G10.

    A camera designed after the L1 would be more like the GF2 or GL long rumored model. with inbody EVF. From the very fast lens spec rumored 24-72mm/f2-f3? this size of semipro spec lens would collapse into such a slightly smaller L1 body. I seriously doubt that Pany would produce either another 4/3 camera without the lenses to match it or not try to make a smaller version of the same. If this new fixed lens camera is based on L1 then I expect Pany will have one model with the very fast fixed lens and one with interchangeable m4/3 mount. With the semipro lens spec this new camera is bound to cost +$1000.

    The LX5 would then be essentially the LX3 with a new sensor and possibly its range increased from 24-72/f2-3.3?
    Surprising more details have not been forthcoming especially if there already has been a press conference to show these models but the press has not be known to be very good at not leaking secrets?

  • Irfan

    I would love to see a 4/3 sensor version of the LC-1. I still have, and on occasion still use, this camera – it was/is a great mix of old school cool and new digital tech. Only other camera that fits that bill is the Leica M9, unfortunately out of my wallet reach, at the moment. Look forward with baited breath!

  • Andrea

    I’m sorry the video (minute 6:05) doesn’t tell much about this new camera…
    they only say that on July 7th the LX-5 has been presented in Sweden, will be an high-level P&S with 24mm Leitz zoom… further details soon available directly from Panny =)

  • Jack

    There is still lots of questions . . The L1 is HUGH compared to a LX3. . . . it is HUGE compared to a LC1! Not sure how all of this resolves . . just have to wait for an announcement.

    • Peter

      LEICA & LEITZ are to pair of shoes….but very good once…

      Panasonic works with LEICA…

  • DemonDuck

    Any large sensor camera that doesn’t have a removable lens has missed the most important reason for a large sensor.

    One needs to put specialized lenses on the camera to take advantage of the increased resolution of the sensor.

    If the new Panasonic has a fixed lens, then buying an old mirror box, DSLR is a better deal. Almost as small and much more flexible.

  • Zaph

    It makes sense that the m43 sensored camera would be the LX5, and the LX3 replacement would be the … drum roll … LX4. They sound like they fit into the LX line, both being premium compacts.

  • Mick Needale
  • Jim

    little confusion??

    two camera:

    1. LC1/L1 inspired camera with a µ4/3 sensor, but in a size smaller than GF1.

    2. LX5: LX3 successor

  • Jón

    Anybody else who wants an updated L1 design with MFT mount?

  • Floyd

    Ridiculously awesome if the large sensor one with fast leica zoom lens “in a size smaller than GF1(with pancake i hope)”.
    Still think the LX3 small sensor successor LX5 coming to us first.

  • Boris

    I smell a confusion emerging in my head with the decision of purchasing my next camera.

    How about you?

  • Joe

    Not sure where the LC1/Digilux 2 or L1/Digilux 3 reference came from. I wouldn’t call any of these “compact” though I would love to see it happen. They just said “Digilux” so they could have meant D-lux by mistake unless they are referring to the original Digilux 1 model aka the Panasonic LC5. Still wouldn’t make any sense. They aren’t going to call a large camera like this the LX-5. The LX5 is the replacement for the LX3

    “Panasonic is about to launch the Lumix LX3’s heir. It’s called Lumix LX5 and it’ll be a deluxe compact with a Leitz optical 24 mm zoom lens and a body very simiilar to a Leica Digilux”

  • Javi V.

    This starts to sound like GF2 now an LX5 in September… just my bet!

  • Peter Leyssens

    There’s quite a lot of confusion here. Let me clear things up (despite the fact that I’m not close to any of the sources).

    1) The LX5 is the successor of the LX3. They won’t introduce an LX4, because it sounds like LX-Death in several East Asian languages. It will have a small sensor and a fixed lens, as usual.

    2) The camera mentioned in this rumour is similar to the LC1. The poster made a mistake: the L1 is not a fixed lens camera, the LC1 is. It will have a large sensor and a fixed lens.

    Main questionnumber 1 is then about how they will go about combining the following contradictory statements:

    – a 12/f2-36/f(?) lens (should be big)
    – similar to the LC1 (big)
    – not much bigger than the LX3

    And the other main question is then: will it feature the intelligent way of setting shutter speed and aperture like the LC1 ?

    Peter.

  • Stephen B

    Speaking purely from my own perspective, I would not buy it if it so big. Lovely camera no doubt but does not suit my set up. I shoot with a film M and like to have a small digital body to put in my pocket as a back up. I shoot with a 50mm summilux on my M and this is what I shoot all day with. I have the LX3 as my digital and it is great when I need wider than my 50. I don’t shoot telephoto so anything over 50mm does not concern me. I would be interested in the successor to the LX3 (in September?) if it is a significant improvement on the LX3 but frankly the LX3 is a super little camera and punches way above its weight.

  • Alfons

    Right step from Panny. L1 design was gorgeus. I bet they make the design smaller and simpler for a more compact camera.

  • Turner

    I was interested in the Leica Digilux 3 a couple of year ago, but when I had the camera in my hands, I was shocked about the size. This is a real huge camera. Nothing to put in your pocket, you need a bag.

    Let’s hope the Pana/Leica m43 sensor fixed lens camera will be way smaller. But I still like the classic design of these cameras very much, so I’m glad to hear, that the new camera will have a similar design.

    Turner

  • Zaph

    It *has* to be small to have a point existing. They already have the G2/G10 and GF1 with 4/3 sensor, if it’s not smaller than those with the kit lens, and is similarly limited to 3x (with the kit lens), and is a similar price – who is going to buy it? It must be smaller.

  • AndersN

    “An italian website (with very good reputation) said that there was a presentation for the press in Sweden (July 7).”

    There must be some kind of misunderstanding here. If there actually was a presentation for the press on July 7 one would expect several of the major Swedish photograpy magazines (and probably some web sites too) to have been there, but so far nothing has been published.

  • Godot

    It isn’t too unusual for a press event to be a private preview, with the participants agreeing not to publish anything until a certain date.

    This allows the magazines and websites to have full reports ready the moment the official announcement is made.

    It is somewhat unusual that an Italian website leaked word of such an event happening in Sweden. But one would expect that there would be several such events in various countries, so it’s by no means impossible.

  • don

    Pany most likely is making this a mini LC1 with Leica copy with size smaller than GF1 by simply making the viewfinder hot shoe mounted and the camera would have the same proportions only 4.7″ long by 2.8″ to 2.5″ high enlarging the screen and removing the buttons on the left side. The rangefinder LC1 style with height same as GF1 of 2.8″ with a 0.3″ stepdown would enable them to fit the collapsible 24-72/f2-3 lens into the camera and still claim to be the smallest m4/3 camera while the LX3 body with only 2.3″ height would have been too small. Rumor has it that LX5 or LX3 replacement will have a small removeable EVF so maybe would also work on this mini LC1 as option?

    Possible that Pany & Leica are patterning this model much like the X1 size only rangefinder step up to accomodate larger lens and then put EVF to extreme left with smaller LCD screen in the middle. But since the description is small I expect the viewfinder to be flash shoe mounted option. as described earlier. Also the mention is now of “large sensor” without specifically mentioning 4/3? I think with this high powered semipro spec lens Pany will use their new latest improved larger 4/3 sensor which is just going into production and this rumored bring very good high ISO performance +1.5 stops as well as high HD video capability 1080P/60? Only down side is cost will likely be high $1000+. This would be a model above the GF1 not below and thus would not compete as directly with the LX5 of similar lens speed but smaller diameter collapsing lens and new BI smaller sensor. Looks like the long rumored Pany mini LC1 version of the legendary LEICAs.

    By making this model super small Pany does not need to worry about the GF2 being bigger to accomodate the inbody EVF and possibly swivel LCD screen.

  • elliot

    “so far nothing has been published.”

    Camera companies regularly employ press events that are embargoed until an agreed-upon date.

  • Jim

    “Not sure where the LC1/Digilux 2 or L1/Digilux 3 reference came from. I wouldn’t call any of these “compact” though I would love to see it happen. They just said “Digilux” so they could have meant D-lux by mistake unless they are referring to the original Digilux 1 model aka the Panasonic LC5. Still wouldn’t make any sense. They aren’t going to call a large camera like this the LX-5. The LX5 is the replacement for the LX3”

    no one saying LC1/Digilux 2 or L1/Digilux 3 are compacts, people are predicting it’ll have the ergonomic, the design, the styling of a camera like LC1, but not the size.

  • Frank

    honestly, you guys are confusing yourself, it’s very straight forward, there’s nothing to be confuse about.

  • Alfons

    Zaph, if it has red label saying “Leica” some people don’t mind about the size or cost.

  • Zaph

    Sure, but this is labelled Panasonic. :)

  • Joe

    “No one saying LC1/Digilux 2 or L1/Digilux 3 are compacts, people are predicting it’ll have the ergonomic, the design, the styling of a camera like LC1, but not the size.”

    How can you have the ergonomics, design and styling of the LC1 without the size? Sure it can be a tiny bit smaller if based on m43 but if it’s “pocketable” then it’s nothing like the LC1 at all. The Leica X1 has knobs for aperture and shutter speed but that doesn’t make it like the LC1 either. You can’t have the ergonomics, design and styling of the LC1 with an LX3 replacement.

    I’d love to see a m43 version of the LC1 but I don’t see it happening.

    All of this is based on someone who wasn’t even at the private meeting saying “It will look like a Digilux” which could mean anything.

  • Jim

    “How can you have the ergonomics, design and styling of the LC1 without the size? You can’t have the ergonomics, design and styling of the LC1 with an LX3 replacement. ”

    why not? do you mean it’s not technically possible?

    yes this is all base on speculation, let’s just wait for a camera to come out.

    but I don’t understand what you’re saying. with a LX3 replacement? it’s not a LX3 replacement

    “I’d love to see a m43 version of the LC1 but I don’t see it happening.”

    again why not? lecia was able to make the X1

  • Jim

    it’s like the Audi Q3 or Q5 to the Q7.

    the Q5 has the styling and the design of the Q7.

  • Joe

    Jim,

    The LX-5 is a replacement for the LX-3. It is not a follow-up to the LC1. If Panasonic is really working on a m43 version of the LC1 that will be an entirely different product having nothing at all to do with the LX-5.

    The LC1 was a larger camera that had a rangefinder style meaning among other things you have aperture and focus rings on the lens and shutter speed on the body. The X1 has nothing in common with the LC1 either so I don’t get the comparison. The X1 has more in common with the Sigma DP series than anything else.

    Panasonic could create a m43 version of the LC1 easily if they wanted to. I doubt they do. The LC1 had excellent build quality which means $$$. A new version would easily cost $1500+ if they adhered to the same standards they used for the LC1. If they instead wanted to make a m43 version of the L1 that would mean they would have to make lenses for it. Remember that it would need to have aperture and focus rings on them and they stopped making lenses like that with the L1. If you slap a regular m43 lens on it then you have lost the rangefinder style of the LC1/L1 so what’s the point?

    Today they are focusing on the mainstream. We saw the LC1 transition to the L1 and then finally killed off completely with the L10. Now they have the GF1, G2, etc. None of these are at all like the LC1.

  • Joe

    More like the LC1 is an Audi Q5 and the LX-5 is an Audi A1.

  • Jim

    “The LX-5 is a replacement for the LX-3. It is not a follow-up to the LC1. If Panasonic is really working on a m43 version of the LC1 that will be an entirely different product having nothing at all to do with the LX-5.”

    sorry I wasn’t clear on my message, but I never intend to say anything about that the LX5 being a follow up to the LC1.

    “The LC1 was a larger camera that had a rangefinder style meaning among other things you have aperture and focus rings on the lens and shutter speed on the body. The X1 has nothing in common with the LC1 either so I don’t get the comparison. The X1 has more in common with the Sigma DP series than anything else.”

    so a camera smaller than the GF1 can’t have those features?

    “Panasonic could create a m43 version of the LC1 easily if they wanted to. I doubt they do. The LC1 had excellent build quality which means $$$. A new version would easily cost $1500+ if they adhered to the same standards they used for the LC1. If they instead wanted to make a m43 version of the L1 that would mean they would have to make lenses for it. Remember that it would need to have aperture and focus rings on them and they stopped making lenses like that with the L1. If you slap a regular m43 lens on it then you have lost the rangefinder style of the LC1/L1 so what’s the point?”

    okay, maybe it’ll be hard, I don’t know what kind of feature it’ll have for now, but IF the camera looks as attractive as the LC1, I think it’ll sell much better. Look how the GF1 is doing compare to the G1, in terms on how it looks.

    “Today they are focusing on the mainstream. We saw the LC1 transition to the L1 and then finally killed off completely with the L10. Now they have the GF1, G2, etc. None of these are at all like the LC1.”

    no, there aren’t any products like the LC1, but I really hope they have a follow on a great camera like the LC1. I think it’s a tough market, manufactures are using software correction to compensate on the ways camera are build now (i.e. cheaper lens) to keep the cost low. So it would be hard to see how a camera like LC1 to be build again. But let just wait and see.

    “More like the LC1 is an Audi Q5 and the LX-5 is an Audi A1.”

    you were saying how there can’t be a smaller size LC1.

    I wanted to say how the LC1 = Q7 and the µ4/3 sensor FLC = Q5

    but you said that it’s really hard to put on the mechanical zoom, focusing ring without being really expensive…hummm…i only wish they keep the original idea of the LC1, being “digital analog”

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