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Hot! Schneider is working on a 30mm f/1.4 and 60mm f/2.4 macro for m43!


The guys over at Photoscala (Translation here) just got some insider tip directly from Schneider managers. Schneider is considering the development of a 30mm f/1.4 and a 60mm f/2.4 macro lens that should be unveiled in 2013.

My short opinion on that…Schneider skip the 60mm macro. Olympus is doing almost the same lens!!! The 30mm is a much more appealing lens while I personally would prefer a 35 or 40mm f/1.4 lens. perfect for portraits!

Bit of history: Schneider made some 25mm and 16mm f/1.4 lenses (they are here on eBay). They made many more Macro lenses (they are here on eBay) including an impressive and huge Variogon 140-280mm (here on eBay)

What lens would you consider to buy?

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  • T3

    Ack! No! Wrong way!!!!!!

    Work on a fast 9 or 10mm, dammit!

    • JF


    • Henrik


    • Vlad


    • avds


      • _gl


    • pfeddeh

      Even F3.5 or F4 would be fine with me. I prefer small and over fast.

      • Do

        What’s wrong with the 9-18 mm then? It starts with f4 and nobody can force you to use the rest of the zoom range ;-)

        • pfeddeh

          You could have mentioned the 7-14 too. What i don’t like about these lenses is size. I would like this 9 or 10mm prime to be as pancake as possible.

          • Do

            The 9-18 has about the same size as the kit lens, which I consider quite small, although not pancake. The 7-14mm is quite big in comparison.

    • ginsbu

      Better to ask Samyang, I think!

      • Mike

        Wrong way for sure except for marco and then not far enough. Can’t someone have the vision to produce a lens like the 200 micro- nikkor. Come on, m4/3 needs a 100mm 1:1 macro.

    • Farrukh


    • Ojojo

      It’s looking like these lenses are APS-C designs offered also with m43 mount, which makes a 9/10mm wideangle very unlikely.

  • nobody

    IMO, those lenses would make sense for APS-C sensor cameras like Sony NEX, rather than for m43.

    • Anonymous

      +1 absolutely clear: they are designing the lenses for the APS-C & sony market first and port to m43. Just what I would do as a Manager of a small fine company with limited ressources.

    • beautemps

      exactly: They design their lenses for APS-C, the NEX-market, and port to m43. So it is a 45mm and 90mm for the NEX. And that makes sense for a small fine company with limited ressources.

    • Steve

      It is beginning to look like 3rd party lens support for m43 will be somewhat limited due focal lengths designed for APS-C.

    • Why then will Olympus will also release a 60mm macro?

      • spam

        60mm macro is a good focal length for both APS-C and mFT, 30mm is definetly more suited for APS-C,

      • ginsbu

        Why would S-K decide to compete with a (presumably) much cheaper Oly 60mm macro if they weren’t intending to offer it for APS-C as well?

        • And (presumably) the m43 S-K will be a APS-C lens with nothing but a different mount and (presumably)not enough to justify its (presumably)higher price.

          It is very possible that in the end, the Olympus will be the better deal, but in all cases, we don’t know yet.

      • Mr. Reeee

        I’d suspect the Oly 60mm macro will be on par with the 12-50mm. In other words passable, the weathersealing being the big selling point, while the Schneider-Kreuznach 60mm macro will (hopefully) be excellent.

        60mm is a good length for macro, because it gives you good reach and also doubles as a moderate telephoto on M4/3 bodies.

        I have a Nikon 60mm f2.8D that’s a very good lens, but because it’s a hybrid AF/MF lens, the focus was a bit finnicky when first using it. If the S-K 60mm is a dramatic improvement IQ-wise, it might be worth getting. IF it’s manual focus is mechanical and not focus-by-wire. IF is sometimes a BIG word!

        • Parci

          I am pretty sure you are absolutely wrong regarding the Olympus macro.

    • avds

      30mm – yes, 60mm macro – not necessarily.

    • bilgy_no1

      Why then do they release a m43 frist? And the 14mm is definitely a m43 design rather than an APS-C design.

      As to the new lenses: a compact 17mm f/1.4 with AF would be great, much nicer than the rumoured lenses.

      • ginsbu

        14mm on APS-C is 21mm-equivalent on FF — a very standard UWA focal length. Makes perfect sense. The landscape types will love it on the NEX-7.

    • ginsbu

      Yup. Standard practice.

    • Will

      Actually that’s quite exciting to me, since i have the 20mm f1.7, the Leica/Pana 25 f1.4 is just a tad too close to accept buying it as well, instead a 30mm f1.4 would be perfect, then i’d have:

      12mm f2
      20mm f1.7
      30mm f1.4
      45mm f1.8

      That’s a perfect set up in my book. Slap the 75mm on maybe to sort out the long end. Or as i’m possible thinking, sell them all and buy the fast zooms if they’re outstanding.

      • Well, carrying 4-5 bright primes sort of eats up the m4/3 advantage of being small, doesn’t it? I’d rather take an SHG grade zoom any day – “a bag full of primes” – in one beautiful lens. And that’s why I enjoy them for 4/3 already I guess :)

        • elflord

          you don’t have to carry all your lenses all the time. I seldom take more than one lens with me on any given outing.

          Is this zoom you speak of f/1.4 ?

    • Miroslav


      Smells like APS-C ports to me as well. Hopefully, Canon mirrorless will come out with sensor that is similar in size to G1X sensor, so independent manufacturers will stop this practice ( because they can’t do this to Canon ).

  • U-dash

    a fixed 135/150mm with at least f2.8 would be nice, with autofocus as well. :)

  • Colin

    I must be a little odd but as a 3rd party manufacturer (e.g. Schneider, sigma etc) none of their options would of been my first choices of lenses. I believe the format is crying out for some wide angle primes…

    7mm f4
    10mm f4 pancake

    Hell they don’t even need to autofocus and I’ll bet they would sell more than they could make.

    • JF


    • rüdiger

      +1 for 10mm f4 pancake
      or 17mm f2 high qual. but small/ no next.

    • pfeddeh

      But I prefer them to have AF.

    • Mr. Reeee

      +1000 Damn straight!

      Why not a 10mm f2.8 like the Nikon 20mm f2.8 AIS lens. A fantastic lens! (You can still special order them from Nikon, BTW.) I want a M4/3 replacement! ;-)

  • Agent00soul

    I think a 30/1.4 is an excellent choice. I actually wished for a 30/1.2 when we did the great lens poll.
    However, I think these focal lengths are primarily chosen for the NEX. Remember the Sigma 30/1.4 for standard Fourthirds.
    Personally, I’m interested in a shorter macro than 60 mm. I currently have the Fourthirds 35 mm macro, which is slow to focus and lack distortion correction. So a high quality, native 35 mm macro for m4/3 is on my wish list.

  • First 14mm. Now 30mm and 60mm.

    Admin, you should send the Schneider the result of the m43 lens poll!

    Or it would end up being a rather short-lived m43 lens market entry.

  • Beefcake


  • BLI

    30/1.4 — quite close to the Pana 25/1.4; 60/2.4 macro — quite close to the Oly 60/2.8.

    Ok — such Schneider lenses must either be super excellent compared to the mentioned lenses, or they must bet on selling them to another system (NEX?)…

    Why not make something that doesn’t exist yet? Tilt/shift, bird lens, etc? Ok – I have no clue as to what will sell. And I doubt they should look too much into the 43rumors lens poll… one can get the impression sometimes that that vote is not for real, considering all the bitching over lens color, price, ec :-).

    • avds


  • Bizzarrini

    I think they would have a gold mine in hands if they would make a nice 17/2.0 with AF instead…

    • Mer

      Exactly. Between Oly and Panny we have all the most important primes already covered (much better than the section available for any other system besides full frame). The only weak spot in our lineup is the 17mm. Voigtlander is releasing a huge f/0.95 version of it, but I think most people will want something smaller, slower, cheaper, and with AF.

    • ginsbu

      Yes, and a 16 or 17mm wouldn’t be half bad on APS-C either: 24 or 25.5mm-equivalent.

    • Hai. A 17mm f/1.8, a 35mm f/1.8 (or a bit faster as long as it doesn’t make the price go silly) and a nice fast prime (no macro) to fill the gap between the Olympus 45mm and 75mm. Then I’d have to buy a new case to put them all in. Which I’d do with a smile.

  • Fish

    I think that both lenses sound “interesting” but based on the pricing of their last announcement, I don’t think I will be able to buy any of them.

  • Nick

    14mm, 30mm and 60mm? Gotta be designed to cover both MFT and APS – doesn’t make sense as dedicated Micro Four Thirds…

  • emde

    100+ macro – where is it. Nobody needs another 60mm…

    • Tom

      + 1111

      Its boring what German companies do understand from Marketing: too Late, to big, too less decision driven- no Sense of a double coverage of apsc and mft

      After the huge success if e g the oly em5 the Sony/ Samsung Way seems to be stuck in the middle!

    • EvilBobo

      Nobody has a 60mm. At least it’s mentioned before the Olympus is released. And if people will buy a Manual 25mm because it’s f0.95, then surely there’s a market for a second 60mm because it’s f2.4 rather than f2.8? I do agree though that it’s less of a difference than a 100mm might be. And also that there will be people buying the Oly rather than wait, especially as it will be less wallet-emptying.

      • David

        The Manual 25mm f0.95 was released well before the Leica 25mm f1.4. Felt like a year before.

        The Olympus 60mm f2.8 has been anounced (unlike the leica) and hense all that is missing is the availablily much like the EM5 camera, and the cost.

    • Mr. Reeee

      100mm macro! Yes!

      Instead of wishing, hoping and writing letters to Santa Claus for native M4/3 lenses I want, I’ve bought a few good quality manual lenses, in focal lengths I want… NOW… from KEH! I picked up a Micro-Nikkor 105mm f2.8 AI-S for $300. No, not cheap, but very good.

      If at some point native M4/3 lenses are released in similar focal lengths with comparable or better image quality, then I’ll sell the old lenses and buy new ones. Luckily good lenses hold their value.

  • Andy

    Its rumoured theses lenses will also be made available for Sony Nex cameras so a 30mm lens becomes a 45mm and the 60mm becomes a 90mm

  • Steve

    As a m43 owner these vote results like many others seen here are very fanboyish. I highly doubt half of you are seriously considering the 30mm f1.4 considering the expected price and the in between 60mm focal length.

    • Chez Wimpy

      Especially when the fantastic 25/1.4 already exists, at 1/3 the Schneider (expected) price.

  • The Master

    What a waste of time. Just so it doesn’t sound like everything is negitve, the 14, 20, 25 from Panasonic are great and maybe even the 45 macro. The crome only 12 and 45 not so much, I mean why make lenses that less than 25% of the people want-chrome that is and basically no one was asking for a chrome 150 mm equialent lens. WTF wants a 30 mm lens. Maybe 1% of the people. Why be so stupid.If your going to do something, do with the full force of your being, don’t slop together something, because its easy, then sit back and scratch your ass and cry about why it didn’t work out. The funny part, is it’s so flipping easy, now, with the Internet all the polls and opinions are out there and free for the taking and yet the current generation of marketeers, are like the village itots

    • Will

      Why do people think 30mm isn’t wanted? Have you really only learnt to use the traditional focal lengths?

      40mm is perfect in my book, 50mm i’ve found to be in no mans land a bit, I must admit it’s after getting used to the 40mm on my GL17 Canonette and then the 20mm f1.7 on m43 but 60mm is perfect! it’s not too long but not too short.

      They’re all just numbers, try thinking outside of what everyone tells you. How is it possible for 35mm,50mm,90mm and on to be great but not the lengths in between? That’s ridiculous and demonstrates the lack of intelligence in some people. WE SHOULD RESTRICT ZOOM LENSES TO ONLY 35MM and 50MM..

      • Chez Wimpy

        >Why do people think 30mm isn’t wanted?

        Don’t know… but Hasselblad, Mamiya, Olympus, Minolta, Canon, Nikon, Pentax, Zeiss, Leica, ect ect, avoided the fixed focal “dead zone” (60-80mm equiv.) without exception. Only with the advent of DSLRs have cheap 50mm primes been given a new use as an afterthought, as 75mm “portrait lenses.”

        In the case of the 30, the 25/1.4 exits, at mortal prices, so I would have to assume, yes, a premium niche maker 30/1.4 is not wanted (outside of NEX users).

        • spam


          60mm equiv is too long for a normal, and not different enough to be popular as short tele.

  • How about a 100mm macro?

  • MikeS

    If Schneider (or anyone else) *really* wanted to do something newsworthy, they’d make a compact autofocus ~f/1.0 lens. The 14, 30, and 60 don’t differentiate themselves enough from current Pan/Oly offerings to justify the inevitable price premium.

  • adriaantie

    LOL, No one with a brain will buy those expensive lenses for a camera with such a tiny 43 sensor.

    • pdc

      You are such a moron “adriaantie”. You and your cousin “GetReal” just need to grow up and find something useful to do with your Tiny Little Brain. Our tiny little sensor is doing just fine, as millions of photographers are discovering. The entry of more top tier independent lens manufacturers into the native m43 lens market reinforces the stupidity of your comments.

    • T3

      Please be less stupid.

    • jevfp

      @ adriaantie

      your comment is showing how shallow the depth of field of your brain and photography knowledge,. you should have at least the right curiosity ,…how come a well known glass maker as S-K would joint m-43.,.Hope someday you understand,..btw,.most of m43 user were using FF format for years,.,.i would understand if you just new comer in photography,.to made such a comment

  • MacT

    Why there is no option “both”? :) I really like these lenses

  • If I were Schneider, I would want to maximize my development costs–and that means design one lens for many formats.

    The m4/3 format is not short on lenses these days, but the NEX system is–especially with auto focus. 30mm f1.4 would translate to a 45mm on the NEX system–a focal length that would would appeal to a huge following of NEX-7 owners.

    I wouldn’t expect many native m4/3 lenses to come from the 3rd party community.

    • Brod1er

      Fair point. We are already spoilt for lenses. There do remain gaps though:

      10mm f4 compact
      200mm/300mm f4 high quality tele
      Collapsible telephoto prime/zoom
      30mm f2 pancake

      The first two would be right up Schneider street.

  • All this negativeness is mind boggling, let alone all this “I don’t need, therefore you don’t” crap.
    There is no such thing as a boring FoV, but there are boring photographers: put a 30mm on, use it, and you will get used to it.
    There is a reason why I don’t want it, its because I already got the summilux.

    An other thing in my mind. I keep reading about f4/10ish prime, the reason being to have it so slow, is to keep size and price down. The fact is, the olympus 9-18 is tiny and as affordable as any UW prime would get. Granted, a pancake would be noticeably smaller, but honestly: how many really shoot UW without tripods?
    I say, fine, release a UW prime : make it fast and premium IQ. People bitching, for most part, would never have paid $600 for a UW pancake anyways…

    • Brod1er

      Agree about peoples hang ups about minor differences in FOV.
      I like the idea of a 10mm F4 because it will be small AND high quality. The Oly 9-18 is ok but not that great.

      • This is all vaporware talk, but the way I see it, high quality UW demands a large front element, even at f4. If they make it small, nasty vignette is expectable to start with along with heavy software correction .

    • EvilBobo

      I agree.
      We’ll all benefit from more people buying into the m43 system…… except for adriaantie, and high IQ glass will encourage the development of the system, diversifying it’s market.
      Yes, it would be nice to cover all the relevant focal length bases…. but that’s primarily Pana and Olympus’s remit.
      I, personally, think this is a bigger step forward than Sigma’s 30mm. (though also plead the leica 25mm)
      And we do have some diversity. There are no 14mm 2.0 lenses, 30mm 1.4 or 60mm 2.4 for m43 planned or in development, we should embrace these rather than talk them down.

    • > All this negativeness is mind boggling

      I can at least vouch for my share of the negativity: the demand for the lens is going to be pretty tame, what might make the Schneider reconsider further development of lenses for m43. And that is bad.

    • ginsbu

      I’m with you on the wide pancake. I’d much rather a 10mm f/2.8 (or faster, but I don’t think we’d get that).

  • Brian C

    I might have considered both of these lenses for the NEX system I already sold, but neither of them for M43.

    Just odd focal lengths for M43 or focal lengths that are already covered quite well.

    Already a good Olympus 60 macro coming, and if their previous 43 version of the 50 macro is any indication, then I can’t possibly see why anyone would buy this Schneider 60 macro, which will probably be at least twice the price. A 30mm, even a fast one, is an odd FL on M43 for portraits. There’s already a good Panasonic Leica 25mm 1.4. So I wonder why they don’t focus on the gaps and holes. There’s no decent 35mm equiv, so either a great 17-18 or a decent and fast 17-18. Primes wider than 12 would be welcomed, and a 150 (300 equiv) high grade tele with or without macro capabilities.

    And what about those tilt-shift lenses they are known for??

  • simon

    Needless to say I cant justify the cost of any of these lenses. My assumption is though that you want to maximise money by appealing to as many as possible in your nice price bracket.

    IMHO if Canon is serious about a 4/3 sized sensor camera then if they could get such a name to launch on their mount then they would get a lot of kudos over Nikon and to the manufacturer an easier port from m4/3 mount. Having a lens which is almost designed for a Sony first and foremost wouldnt make sense to me if trying to cover that market segment.

  • oh no! always the same easy lens, we need a 20mm tilt and shift!!!

  • Narretz

    Fack. Still no lenses specially developed for m43 from 3rd party developers. I wish the GH3 is such a beast that they cannot but develop natively.

    • Nick

      Um, there’s plenty… The Voigtlander and Samyang offerings are particularly nice.

  • avds

    It looks like they forgot to check their competition and are just rolling out lenses according to their own roadmap as if they were the only mFT lens maker in existence… At this pace, we might actually arrive at the much missed 8-9mm/2.8 compact prime from Schneider, but why not just skip all those dubious steps?

    • Brod1er

      As well as unhelpful focal lengths, the other big problem with lenses designed for APSC and MFT is that they are too large and heavy. Just think what would have been possible of Schneider made the lenses just for MFT. Missed opportunity.

    • spam

      There is no competition to look at, have you seen any $1500++ primes with AF for mFT?

      • avds

        Of course there is competition with price being merely one dimension thereof.

  • Don Pope

    I’m happy there are quality lenses being made, but these are hopelessly out of my budget.

  • I hope that lensmanufactures are reading the comments on this site! M 4/3 users are screaming after a 10 mm prime lens.

    • BOBAK

      Couldnt agree more!

      I’d get my credit card out right this second for a10mm with minimal distortion and max corner sharpness. F3.5 and manual is OK too.

  • memento

    ok…but how about the price???the 30mm lense would be affordable?…

    • JimRamK

      Probably cheaper than the 14mm

  • Bob B.

    I am interested in everything MFT…but I already own the Pany/Leica 25mm f/1.4 which is a very good prime for my system…I also have the Pany/Leica 45mm f/2.9 Macro which satisfies my needs for a macro lens and short tele at time..although the focus is a little slow so I shoot closeups and product..etc..with that lens…it is very sharp. I also own the Oly 45mm f/1.8 which is a fast-focuser, nice and sharp and has great bokeh for this format….
    So ….I just don’t see where the two Schneider lenses for 2013 would play in my quiver. If the lenses I have were somehow lacking in performance (as I am sure the Schneiders will be top guns) I could see considering them, but that need is just not there for my system… To me they are kindof awkward focal length…but I know that everyone has their own groove… in any case the more the merrier for the system.

  • st3v4nt

    The more choice the better, tough I may not be able to afford the SK lens. But it looks like lens maker try to supplied mirrorless system with something that they have rather than something that user want. I still wait for more zoom and tele lens.

  • Camaman

    With Canon entering the arena using a sensor close to m43 in crop they should reconsider those APS-C oriented focal lengths IMO.
    These sound pretty damn boring and weird on m43
    28, 60, 120… Just about to long or not long enough…

    • ginsbu

      I wish they would. But I bet they see Canon’s system in the middle as a reason to cover all three formats with the same lenses. A lens that’s a 21mm-equiv on APS-C, 24mm-equiv or thereabouts on Canon mirrorless, and 28mm-equiv on m4/3 might sound pretty good to S-K.

  • MD

    yawn… these lenses are boring. voitglander is probably the best 3rd party manufacturer as they’re taking risks and building super high-quality lenses with desirable specs. i don’t mind the MF on the 25 and 17.5 f.95 as many people do.

  • Anonymous

    I want a 150mm/200mm/300mm f4 high quality tele with good with macro capability.

  • Bob

    I don’t get it, except maybe that they are, like Sigma, trying to do one lens design for both APS-C and m43 cameras. 60mm equivalent is a worthless focal length, to my mind, and not sufficiently different from the very good, and [probably] much, much cheaper PL 25. I’m sure the Schneider will measure better, but unless you’re shooting with a tripod and using perfect technique I doubt that you’ll ever see enough difference to justify what will likely be double the price. (The same is true comparing the 12mm Oly and 14mm Schneider.)

    It seems to be more sensible as a 45-49mm equivalent on APS-C.

    The 60mm macro is more interesting but, again, will it be worth twice what the Oly 60mm 2.8 macro will cost? Maybe if you’re a macro specialist, but not for most of us.

    I really don’t get where Schneider is going with these lenses. I could justify the prices a lot more if there were in segments without direct competition from very good, less expensive lenses.

  • Mar

    This is meant for NEX, not m43 obviously.
    Same as with 14mm f2, I bet all those SK lenses are going to be designed for APSC image circle. ;)

  • OM-4ever

    Not good. 30mm is an APS-C FL and not attractive to me at all. I now think the 14mm, may have also been designed for APS-C as well, which would explain its size….

  • pdc

    A top quality 60mm/f2.4 macro with a manual focus and aperture rings, and magnification marks, would pique my interest, if it was more compact and lighter than FF macros of about the same focal length. I currently use a 55mm/f2.8 Nikkor Micro-P and lust after the Canon MP-E 65mm/f2.8 1-5X Macro. However 55-65mm is often too short for small subjects, and a longer native m43 fast macro (say 85-110mm range) would also find buyers.

  • nicwalmsley

    Me thinks if someone can release a 17mm 1.8 that is similar to the 45mm 1.8 (in terms of IQ, build, AF and cost) they will have a hot seller on their hands.

  • I agree. Both the 30mm and the 60mm space are very crowded already. What’s the point in buying the Schneider 30mm when there is a Panasonic Leica 25mm that’s also f/1.4? Will the Schneider lens be that much better? Or better for video use? Also, there’s the Voigtländer 25mm to compete with.

    I’d much rather see a fast and high quality auto-focus 17mm lens.

  • Farrukh

    It seems that 60mm macros for MFT are like buses. You wait and wait and suddenly everyone’s making one. Utterly pointless.

    • aqasem

      100% a gree with I wish for a pancake prime 17.5mm f2.0

  • aqasem

    Wish for a pancake prime 17.5mm f2.0 :D

  • Daemonius

    60mm f2.4

    Well not bad choice (I guess they took this from MF world, where 120mm macro lens is pretty much standart). Im sure it will be amazingly sharp lens, wouldnt be suprised if this would be sharpest m43 lens.

    30mm f1.4 .. hm hm. Too long for “normal” FOV, too short for portrait. Either 25-28mm or 45mm would be better. At f1.2 or f1…

    I agree with most ppl, some decent wide-angle would be nice. Like from corner-to-corner sharp 7 or 8 mm. It doesnt need to be superfast (f2 – f2.8), but really sharp without any SW “helps” would be pretty much great.

    And then some telephoto fast-ish lens..

    Focal length selection (60 and 30mm) seems more like they plan to make these for NEX too (or reverse, they plan to make them for m4/3 too, but originaly designed for NEX, both makes bit more logic for x1.5 crop than x2 crop..).

  • ak3

    We want a 10.5mm super angulon, peroid.

  • Miroslav

    Make a wide F1.4 or F1.2, Schneider. If it’s the size of Oly 75mm, I don’t care, all I want is greater light gathering capability.

  • GLYA

    Hi, concerning M 4/3 lenses, I would like to say that using “old” Canon FD lenses or Nikkor, like 50mm, even 100 mm with 1.4, 1.8 or 2.8 opening give really good results, and sharp pictures, of course without AF etc….
    For me the problem is to get from 10mm to 25 or 30 mm fast lenses, like the voigtlander Nokton…so the SK announcement is a good trend

  • Is it me, why doesn’t someone do a 17.5mm f/1.4??? Classic 35mm focal length with autofocus of course!

  • awaler

    It is sure the “priviledge” of Oly to admit their 17mm f2.8 pancake is flawed and offer a better solution. On the long run, it is unavoidable for Oly to act here. Why should a 3rd party want to interfere?

    As for S-K bringing out a 60mm m4/3 macro lens, well, I believe it when I see it in real.

  • M

    No autofocus, no buy. Make a 17mm. We need a high quality 35mm equiv pancake with fast autofocus. The Panasonic 20mm is a joke on the OM-D EM-5.

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