Why I believe the Olympus new “semitransparent viewfinder” will be the surprise of the year…2012.
We are close to a new year that I am sure will bring us many more innovations and cameras than the finishing 2011. And you already know most of what’s coming. Nikon will release their new FF cameras which as usual will bring a bit better image quality, a bit more features a bit more of everything. We can expect the same “slow advance” approach from Canon. Fuji is going to introduce a revolutionary new sensor made by organic materials that can surpass the quality of any other FF sensor. Sony will very likely introduce a fullframe NEX-9 camera and sensors with more Megapixels (there is already a working 100 Megapixel sensor prototype). Pentax plans to make both a fullframe and a medium format mirrorless camera. Panasonic will bring global shutter, and a new GH3 with top video quality.
But there is one technology that will probably be the ONE BIG THING of the year 2012. It’s the upcoming new Olympus viewfinder technology. I explain you my reasons:
I am pretty convinced (like many others) that mirrorless is the future. But there is one thing I really cannot fell in love with. It’s the electronic viewfinder. While I understand the advantages of such technology (What you see is what you get in terms of framing, depth of field and so on) I still think it will always miss that “special close to reality feeling” I have when I look through an optical viewfinder of a real rangefinder or DSLR camera. I prefer the use of the 3 inch LCD any time over the external viewfinder from my Olympus E-P2. And it’s not because of the poor quality. I also used the super high resolution viewfinder from the NEX-5n. It’s a bit better but it doesn’t change anything to the missing “reality feeling” I am looking for. It’s an unnatural process to look at a digital screen with a linear pattern of pixels that is placed at a couple of millimeters from your eye. It’s completely a different experience to look at the direct stream of light coming from the real subject in the distance. And I believe that’s the real big gap between the current mirrorless cameras and the classic DSLR (or rangefinder) cameras. Neither a 100 megapixels sensor nor a super OLED technology can replace the ONE thing I need.
The Fuji X100 hybrid viewfinder has been the first camera that made step in the direction I want. But it has on big limitation (it doesn’t work with interchangeable lenses). I know the new LX cameras from Fuji will use an optical (non-hybrid!) viewfinder. That sounds damn intriguing but what I heard about Olympus technology sounds far more advanced! It’s a sort of “semitransparent viewfinder“. You will have all the possible advantages. The optical “feeling” and when needed the digital “perfection”. Plus it works on a camera that can take interchangeable lenses. I still don’t know the details of the viewfinder. I only heard about a prototype having an invisible OLED layer on the optical viewfinder. I hope some of my sources can help me to figure out how it works. But all I know is that the camera is coming soon.
So dear Olympus, let others run the Megapixel race, the super fake perfectly boring specs war. What I need is to feel photography, to feel a camera that stays well in my hands, to feel a camera that brings me emotionally as close as possible to the moment I intend to capture. If Olympus will make that camera my little savings will be spent for them. No matter how many Megapixels the camera has.
P.S.: Thanks for all the positive energy you gave me today with your comments on my previous post. It really gave me the kick to write that post about the Olympus viewfinder!
P.P.S.: My favorite camera is still the Mamiya 7 (Click here to see it on eBay). An absolutely non(!) perfect camera that makes me take superb pictures!

Agent00soul
6 months ago |Hmm.. interesting. But how could it work with different focal lengths? If it’s optically zooming, the OLED layer would be zoomed too. Or wouldn’t it?
dvdyeo
6 months ago |My humble guesses:
I believe that the LED will project a fixed frame, and the zooming of the optical viewfinder would sync with the focal length.
But wouldn’t the viewfinder be dark? Maybe that’s where the LED comes in.
Nevertheless, invisible LED, wow!
mpgxsvcd
6 months ago |The thing is that not everyone will use the view finder eveb it is there. The only thing that is universal is that everyone wants the camera to be smaller. Whether it is a dslr style, rangefinder, or in between everyone wants it smaller. That will be the tech of 2012. Who can make it impossibly small. Well that and global shutter. That is a bigger deal than you made if sound.
Boooo!
6 months ago |I don’t.
Smaller cameras mean horrible ergonomic issues, and they are practically bound to using wide-ish primes or slow zooms.
Luke
6 months ago |It’s ALWAYS dangerous to speak for everyone. I DO NOT want a smaller camera. E-P3/gf1 is the smallest I want.
Esa Tuunanen
6 months ago |2/3rds of m4/3 bodies lacking viewfinder isn’t enough?
And every single mirrorless camera is already too small (or badly designed) for proper high end ergonomy and controls.
Panasonic GH2 is ergonomically way crappiest camera from the ones I own/have owned:
My first camera Minolta Dimage 7i didn’t have much better controls but ergonomically it wins by big margin.
(Konica)Minolta Dimage A2 again wipes the toilet seat with GH2 in both controls and ergonomy despite of having roughly same size body part.
Olympus E-30 has high end controls and better ergonomy up to that what can be offered by SLR imitating design: Body not stopping immediately next to lens mount cause nose hitting to body/LCD when looking into viewfinder.
GH2 again lacks controls to compete with A2/E-30, has too small grip, viewfinder looking problem of SLR and way oversize LCD for body size takes away the last hopes of ergonomy.
dvdyeo
6 months ago |I think that gf3 is pretty much how small m43 can get, bearing in mind the constraint of the mount.
Luke & Esa: Using an ep1, i think its size is optimal. I just wished it had a thicker grip that allows it to hang by my fingers, and perhaps where the thumb rests now, they could replace the black plastic with a textured material with more friction.
Sören
6 months ago |Well, i think an organic sensor, a full-frame Nex or a global shutter are also big things, if they come true.
Since Olympus tried to tell us, that the E-P3 has the best µFT-sensor up to date I am a little sceptic about their high claims.
I still use the E-P1, but I want to buy a new gear soon. So I am waiting what Olympus will offer this year. If there is still no sensor improvement (in terms of dynamic), I will look, what Sony and Fuji offer in my price range.
I hope it will be an interesting year!
littorio
6 months ago |Current approach (when manufacturers are trying to follow old patterns – ‘dslr’ and ‘rangefinder’) creates all that ergonomic problems.
NEX-7, being a camera with nearly perfect form-factor, has much better ergonomics than one may expect.
YouDidntDidYou
6 months ago |@ Admin
do you think this Olympus patent is likely to come to fruition in 2012 http://www.43rumors.com/new-olympus-patent-discloses-phase-detection-and-optical-viewfinder-adapter-for-microfourthirds/
PS
wishing you and your family a Happy and Healthy Christmas and New Year – get those feet up, with a nice drink and good company
dvdyeo
6 months ago |I think it would make the camera a whole lot bigger.
bean5y
6 months ago |This is why I come to this site about 5 times per day. I get a hit of excitement, anticipation and lust for the camera that I want that doesn’t exist yet. Thanks admin! Keep it up (at your own pace)!
In regards to viewfinders… I think the viewfinder in my Olympus OM-1 is better than any other camera I have used: It’s like looking into the outside world from the perspective of the camera… if only I could see the exposure needle better in low light. I want that feeling.
Dozan Meda
6 months ago |“Sony will very likely introduce a fullframe NEX-9 camera”
WHAT? All I read about a FF NEX was constant denial by SONY. Where did you get this news from?
admin
6 months ago |From top sources.
Bu
6 months ago |“What I need is to feel photography” – agree wholeheartedly!
pake
6 months ago |Sounds amazing and I hope it’s true. Can’t wait for Olympus’ next announcement…
I’d like to thank you for all the hard work You’ve done! I love this site and all it’s rumours (whether they’re true or false). I appreciate your work and wish you a happy, RELAXING Christmas!
A.
6 months ago |Wow, who wrote this? Given the very few mistakes in English, I’d say it’s not our usual admin!
Miroslav
6 months ago |Excellent news all round. I’d like to see such viewfinder, but I’m perfectly content with current EVFs. What I’d like more from Oly is adding features that would speed up post processing.
@Admin You can indeed rest now, this post alone is enough to keep us occupied for a few days
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BBernhardt
6 months ago |Im going to wildly speculate here.
If this viewfinder technolgy was somehow involved with the fuiji X100, and the initial speculation that fuiji had some m43 prototypes. Will Oly have accesss to the new fuiji organic sensor tech. Couple that with the new veiwfinder and we could have a new head of class.
One can only hope, then they would be back on the path to success.
Good work Admin nice to here some of your personal views, I agree, photography is about taking photos.
Frederic Hew
6 months ago |Yet but… superimposing a digital layer over an optical finder has been done before. It doesn’t require semi-transparency or what not – the problem is not the electronics.
The problem, in fact, is having a *through the lens* optical finder without a reflex or semi transparent mirror. If the light coming from the lens has to illuminate both the photographer’s retina as well as the sensor then a suitable optical light path (in fact two parallel paths) needs to be provided for. This brings us back to the (D)SLR paradigm.
If Olympus does come up with a revolutionary technology catering for both optical and electronic finders, I believe it will be in the E-5 successor. As such, it will only be revolutionary because it has never been done before on an DSLR, not because it’s an entirely novel concept.
Unless, that is, Olympus intends to go the Fuji X100+X10 way, i.e. zooming non TTL OVF with an electronic layer projected on it somehow. This will be practically useless for anyone relying on adapted lenses. Proper implementation is also not trivial: there are very few good (i.e. large and bright) zooming OVFs in the history of photographic gear.
I seriously doubt Olympus intends to follow this route.
TomR
6 months ago |i tend to agree about adapted lenses and for that reason i am not too excited about this. nor am i too excited about lack of evf from fuji.
Yun
6 months ago |This is great news to hear .
Might hold my purchase as I still hunting for my no 1 rangefinder style camera with viewfinder .
The GX1 + Summilux will be my regulars right now .
cameras like a cat
6 months ago |You cannot have an empty comment, but I wanted to.
cameras like a cat
6 months ago |Hm, this should have been a reply to Frederic Hew above.
Speculation:
In case of foto: the mirror is not hidden mechanically, but the transparency of a transluscend mirror is increased electrical.
Frederic Hew
6 months ago |Sounds logical and is not so far fetched – sounds like reflective liquid crystal technology.
One thing though, a translucent mirror takes space. We should think Sony SLT as opposed to NEX7/ Panasonic G/ GH size (I’ve chosen mirrorless models with integrated VF as a reference).
This may mean there won’t be enough space to fit this mirror in m43 cameras due to short registration distance. So is this relevant to the next m43 or reflect 43 camera?
Narretz
6 months ago |Well, we will see. While I believe that a super viewfinder can give you “feel” not every camera can, I still would like to see it matched with an advanced sensor.
The other rumors sound also very interesting, although I’d be even more skeptical. Global shutter was rumored for GH2, too.
Berneck1
6 months ago |I feel like 2012 is going to be the year for mFT. We’re finally getting the speed and performance we need to compete with dSLRs. I feel that in 2012 I will finally get the camera I’ve been waiting for. It will make the move to m43 finally pay off!
By the way, my dream camera is simply something close to the X100 with the ability to change lenses. I think Panasonic or Olympus are going to deliver something like that in 2012…
Eric
6 months ago |So is Fuji
Anonymous
6 months ago |Hahah yeah. The only thing will be that I’m sure Fuji will make the mistake of taking forever to come out with good lenses. If they are smart they’ll start with a fast zoom. If done right, people will flock to Fuji.
Drew Knight
6 months ago |I agree! I love my GF1 most of all. I also use a G1 with the long zoom, as it handles better. I want a MFT with some form of OVF/EVF in the corner like the X100. I could cope with just an EVF. A flip out LCD would be good too though. At the moment I’m holding back. When this arrives, I’ll buy it!
slave
6 months ago |@ Admin
are there any rumors about lx5 successor? i know it’s not m43 but no one else could know but you, and panasonic of course:)
admin
6 months ago |No, only about the XZ-2.
Dummy00001
6 months ago |The only mention of LX6 I have seen to date:
http://leicarumors.com/2011/10/05/leica-d-lux-6-may-have-a-larger-sensor.aspx/
1″ sensor and supposedly to be announced at Photokina 2012.
But news about XZ-2 are welcome too
slave
6 months ago |do you have any details about xz-2?
CML
6 months ago |XZ-2? Anything you can share?
P.s. Look after your health Admin!
daninino
6 months ago |I’ll just hold out until the Fuji mirrorless with interchangeble lenses is released, but if its overpriced and with lots of bugs, then I’ll just go with the GX1 and the 20mm/1.7 and be extremely satisfied.
Mara
6 months ago |Way to mention a new camera offhandedly!
cameras like a cat
6 months ago |If I like to be close to reality feeling I am using my eyes.
If I am using a camera, I like to see how the foto will look like. The more similar the picture in viewfinder is to the foto, the better! Advanced users can switch between the reality and the (hopefully special) foto-view by simply switching from one eye to the other without taking the camera down.
Frederic Hew
6 months ago |I feel the same way, especially considering the size of the E-XXX camera OVFs.
EVF technology is already superior to OVF in many ways, and will far surpass it in the foreseeable future.
Besides, we already live in an ‘augmented reality’ world. If current trends continue (assuming we are not entering a post-technological era) then ‘plain’ eyesight will simply not be considered as an adequate representation of our surroundings.
TheEye
6 months ago |A “semitransparent” VF?This will rather be an optical VF with superimposed data/info, I’d say. Optical viewfinders with parallax error are so 1932.
Eric
6 months ago |I’m all for new ideas on view finders, however I am fairly content with the new Sony EVF. So Olympus is going to have to have a sensor upgrade and weather seals to go along with the new view finder in order to get my business away from Sony and Fuji.
Speaking of Fuji; you say the LX view finder is going to be optical only? Well that’s a bummer. I doubt I will buy it if that is the case. But I must say that seems like an odd prediction since you can see an IR sensor next to the view finder in the spy photos. That would imply there is an EVF as well as optical.
Agent00soul
6 months ago |Isn’t it just an AF illuminator LED?
Eric
6 months ago |I was talking about the two spots next to the right of the viewfinder seen on this photo of the backside of the camera:
http://photorumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/fuji-mirrorless-camera3.jpeg
To me that looks just like the eye sensor on the back of the X100:
http://content.reviewed.com/products/10121/specs/2365/FujiFilm_X100_Back_Tour.jpg
TomR
6 months ago |Good observation. I hope you are right. In my mind fuji LX needs some kind of EVF.
Ranger 9
6 months ago |My favorite camera viewfinder is still the one in the Epson R-D 1. It’s 100% life size, so you use it with both eyes open. You see through it just as you would if you were not using a camera… except that a white frame floats in your field of vision showing what will be in the picture.
In the Epson, the white frame is created by a slotted metal mask… but if it were created instead by an OLED, it would be possible to vary its size infinitely, to accommodate zoom lenses.
BUT… keeping the finder life-size means there are limits on what lenses can be used (which is why the R-D 1 finder only works with 28, 35, and 50mm lenses.) For a super-wide lens, the frame lines must be so far out to the edges of the finder that they can be hard to see, especially if the user wears glasses. For a long lens, the frame lines become so small that composition is difficult. (Users of classic RF cameras are all too familiar with this phenomenon.)
So if this is what Olympus means by a “semitransparent” viewfinder, there are going to be limitations on the lenses with which it will work.
Flop94
6 months ago |I have a dream… an optical viewfinder with NO need of EVF (as it’s rumored for the new fuji). If it was possible to develop a system which allows you to have a 100%-optical viewfinder in a mirrorless camera, it would be the perfect camera.
I know that for a lot of people, it’s impossible, but Olympus, as Fuji, are camera makers that are able to innovate a lot. Some times dreams come true….
Low Budget Dave
6 months ago |Not sure how this will work. To get the “live” feel you are talking about, you need mirrors. Even if you go semitransparent, the part that gets to your eye is coming through a mirror.
st3v4nt
6 months ago |So the biggest splash Oly will be made is using some kind of Sony SLT View Finder without prism mirror but using OLED instead? ….I wonder if this going to enabling PDAF back to mirrorless system work hand in hand with CDAF so finally we will have the fastest acurate AF system more than DSLR could give? Thus our 4/3 lens will once again reusable with m4/3 system via adapter or new adapter? If it does it will worth to wait….
Andrew Kornylak
6 months ago |I agree, that mirrorless is big. I also concur – M7II was the best camera system ever made. Olympus is also positioned to do fantastic things in the future. They have some of the best lens technology in the business with Zuiko IMHO. If only they would pay more attention to their very promising professional line. Just my take.
PEN
6 months ago |Could be a kind of tiny heads-up display based in part on their medical imaging technology. That could have the benefits of both optical and electronic viewfinders. The trick is doing it without mirrors.
reggieandtfe
6 months ago |Why would Sony introduce a FF NEX9 if none of the e-mount lenses will cover the sensor? Talk about diluting a successful brand. Also the NEX7 is crazy expensive; a NEX9 would have to be $2000.
Archer Sully
6 months ago |Because they are Sony, and are always happy to &%@! over their customers.
Martin
6 months ago |Sony will offer one compatible new lens and people will be very happy to buy that camera. A similar strategy also worked very well with the first NEX cameras.
Giulio Sciorio
6 months ago |If the NEX7 is crazy expensive for you then get something else. I find the price to justified and reasonable.
Mr. Reeee
6 months ago |Well, DUH, you’d probably be able to use Sony’s DSLR A mount lenses on a NEX-9, NOT the NEX E mount lenses. One would also assume that you also use Leica M mount and full-frame lenses with adaptors, too.
Sony sells a big adaptor that allows you to use all their A mount lenses on a NEX body with FULL exposure control and full-speed (for Sony
) AF. The same Sony rep who let me use his NEX-7 showed me the adaptor in use. It’s impressive! http://goo.gl/J5aWs
Since we’re speculating and fantasizing…
If the NEX-9 has all the features of the NEX-7 (assuming some updates, too) with a full-frame sensor, packed in a body that’s only marginally larger than a NEX-7, like about the size of an old 35mm SLR, that would be an absolute KILLER camera. If it weren’t insanely expensive, I would buy one in a heartbeat!
You don’t think Sony is capable of miniaturizing to that point?
Hold 2 cameras with similar APS-C sensors… a Nikon D7000 in one hand and a NEX-7 in the other and be prepared for a shock.
Based on the current NEX-series cameras, if ANYone could do it, it’s Sony.
Miroslav
6 months ago |“Why would Sony introduce a FF NEX9 if none of the e-mount lenses will cover the sensor?”
Simple. The current lenses could for example use central 16 of total 32 MPx of that full frame sensor. Enough for most people. And when FF lenses are used, you get full 32 MPx. If you ever need that much.
Fan
6 months ago |I don’t need a viewfinder at all. I never know where to put my nose, it just doesn’t fit.
GeorgeH
6 months ago |I don’t know what you’re talking about. The problem with the OVF’s is that it’s size is related to the size of the image. Although the 43 / m43 sensor is 2x in terms of crop factor but 1/4 in terms of overall area. In comparison the the 5D2 or even the OM1 mentioned earlier the 43 VF’s are puny. It’s ok if all you want is check focus points but if you want to make sure you have critical focus or if you want to manual focus the OVF simply does not give enough feedback. I used to have the E-1 and E-3 and manual focus was horrible on both.
Here’s what they need for this to be interesting:
a) It needs to be bright, not like the E-330 and the porroprism
b) It needs to be larger than the current E-1/3/5 VF’s.
If you can do both then I’m ok with it, if not I’d rather go with the NEX-7 type of EVF which is huge and immersive in comparison to regular 4/3 OVFs.
Archer Sully
6 months ago |The OM-1 VF is vastly superior to any DSLR VF, including the 5DII, IMHO: big, bright, uncluttered, and interchangeable screens. Of course, an OM-1 is my main camera, so I’m a bit biased
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Borbarad
6 months ago |Absolutely agree on the optical viewfinder. It the same or me and besides the software corrected lenses the None-OVF is a no-go for m4/3. I still have my E5 and HG/ SHG Glas but for the Rangefinder stuff I’ve gone for the real thing : Leica M9P!
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Eugene
6 months ago |I hope the semi transparent mirror won’t affect the details on the photos like the Sony Alpha A77 does. Also, remember the previous post here about an Olympus patent of an electronic crystal mirror that could go from 0%-100% transparency? Do you think this is the technology Olympus will use?
Can’t wait to see this camera!!
Zetton
6 months ago |optical?
then “mirror” is needed. Is that camera mirror less??
Will this be Onlympus “Aplha P7″ ? hee?
Adding to that, m4/3 is weak for low light, but dividing the light into 1/2 (technologically incorrect. 1: 9 or so) makes our m4/3 weaker for low light (that’s observed at new alpha A xx series, that’s why NEX-7 is less noisy than A65/A77.)
I hope, new tech will not “half mirror technology”.
Olympius
6 months ago |Here’s all I’m asking from Olympus:
1. Make a micro 4/3 camera with a BUILT-IN viewfinder….
2. Continue the regular 4/3 line, with an E-5 successor or whatever…
That’s it. However, I know that in order for 4/3 and micro 4/3 to become “one beautiful system” two things have to happen: high quality EVF’s for both lens mounts, and phase detect focus for both lens mounts.
It would be entirely possible to build a modular camera that could do this, and support both lens types.
Here’s hoping that Olympus’s camera division has bright future ahead of it. For the first time in YEARS, I like what I’m hearing in regards to the future.
- Olympius
warren
6 months ago |I think that electronic viewfinders are the future because they can eventually have settings such as 1. gallery print with 5500k spotlight, 2. pixel peeping at 2 am, 3. 4×6 drug store prints, 4. application of glamour settings, etc.
Warren
pdc
6 months ago |@admin
Your musings on the beautiful feelings you get viewing optically are amusing, at least.
However, I think your thesis is more nostalgia than logic.
I remember my Nikon F viewfinders well. All I can say is that they did an adequate job for framing and focusing, even if that damn fresnel spot was always in the way.
In my opinion 100% electronic viewfinders are better. I have never wanted to replace the ones in my G1 and GH2 with something optical. Sure, they can be of finer resolution, and that will come in time. The only time focusing is super critical is when the cameras are hooked up to my big Nikon super-telephoto, and then I can always put up my 6″ video monitor on the rig, just like the “pro” cinematographers do!!
Liam
6 months ago |I think you are trivializing admin’s thoughts. While framing and focusing are important to capturing an image, you seem to disregard the creative process when making a photograph. People visualize differently; and some may prefer an electronic viewfinder, some an lcd screen, or an optical viewfinder, or a hole in the top of the camera, or a backwards, upside-down image on ground glass, or no viewfinder at all. You should use whatever works, and produces the beautiful image that you were feeling when you pressed the shutter.
pdc
6 months ago |As long as you are prepared to pay for it.
Anything mechanical/optical costs much more than electronic and is usually bigger and heavier. Sorry, but 100% electronic is the way of the future. If you want nostalgia buy old technology.
Liam
6 months ago |I’m afraid you misunderstand the point. I have used dozens of cameras in film formats from half-frame to 4×5 and I know what works for me. Personally, I like the Olympus EVF and look forward to future improvements. Yes, I am willing to pay for EVF, where a lot of people I know are not. Sure, I would prefer the brightness a clarity of a DSLR viewfinder, but I am willing to compromise.
But I know people that prefer shooting by composing on the ground glass of a view camera, or composing through an optical rangefinder. That’s not nostalgia; that’s creative choice. New technology does not automatically create better images.
I agree 100% electronic will take over. At that point, I guess composing on an lcd screen will be nostalgic.
Martin
6 months ago |So how do you want to make a camera that is compatible with µFT lenses, that has interchangeable lenses with an optical viewfinder, no matter how transparent it is…
If you want a mirror in the optical path you need a large flange back distance so µFT lenses will not be compatible… That’s why DSLRs are made like DSLRs…
In my opinion this “article” is pure nonsense. The only relevant information is, that the admin of this site lacks even very basic understanding of technology.
Keep collecting and leaking rumors and use and let others do the technical talk.
babbit
6 months ago |You are assuming the light path through the lens has to hit a mirror with a physical angle (aka SLRs). You can always have a mirror that’s planar with your sensor and reflects near orthogonal (i.e. what optics do in other industries like medical and communications). That way, it doesn’t take up any extra room than having no mirror.
Also, look at the case of rangefinders and point and shoot cameras. The light path does not even go through the lens. Of course this is NOT what Olympus is doing, but I’m just saying there are ways to have an optical viewfinder without having a translucent mirror like Sony’s SLT line. The only reason Sony is doing it that way is to keep compatibility with it’s current alpha lens. If they had shortened the flange distance with a different type of translucent mirror, they would require a new lens designs.
Esa Tuunanen
6 months ago |1. 4/3 sensor can’t afford to waste light compared to competition and then there’s the whole problem of making what ever there’s in front of sensor to not affect light path in any way for avoiding decrease of image quality assuming it can be made to turn transparent like some lens protection glass/UV filter during exposure. Which wouldn’t again work at all with video.
2. Peep through hole works badly with longer zooms and even more badly with interchangeable lenses because of both field of view framing and parallax error problems.
And Sony is having that SLT mirror in there because they don’t have PDAF built into sensor.
With focal plane PDAF they could easily turn every camera to use E-mount capable to using Alpha lenses with similar adapter as Nikon 1 has. (Sony just doesn’t want to buy sensors from outside source of Aptina)
Jim
6 months ago |Dissagree with Admin….
Just my view but…
I think optical VF are lame…. old tech that shows you little – you might as well just hold up a small square frame and look through that…. the only thing it shows you is the framing – you can see the real view if you look with your eyes – evf shows you the finnished image befor you take it …. ideal!
EVF are definatly better – but need to be so hires and have so much DR that they can be considered as good quality as an OVF!
100Mpix with good DR + ISO ….. waaaaayyy more important than OVF…. just shoot with the 9-18 and crop who needs a tele lens
sweet!
Camaman
6 months ago |And in what camera do you suppose the will put this imaginary viewfinder to pay for R&D on such a thing?
E-5 successor?
Wow, they sell like 5 of them a month (4 more than Sigma, though…)
Maybe they will borrow/buy rights for the tech from Fuji…
Just make a nice large HD Oled EVF and forget anything else…
David O
5 months ago |Disagree with you.
I think EVF are lame. Or well that’s a lie. I’m just not all too fond of them. They give you some delay (worse when they have to gain up), they don’t give you accurate color information (calibration, and once again – worse when they have to gain up), they are too dark to be used comfortably in sunlight.
So they don’t really show you the finished image, they show you an interpretation of it that may or may not be accurate. Even less so if you take raw pictures and post process them. I’d much rather decide on my own interpretation.
They do have some upsides though. Information display, extreme low light photography and 100% accurate framing.
Even though this I much prefer the clarity, brightness and general feel of an optical viewfinder. Preferably one from an OM-1/2 (but with a little bit more eye relief) – now that was a nice finder as previously mentioned.
Daneyumyum
6 months ago |That is so stupid, Olympus is famous now because Olympus maked some mirrorless camera whit who we can put any lenses and so have a serious compact whit good lenses but if Olympus start to make some mirror camera it would sound like ” why i’m using a Olympus mirror camera with cheapo lenses when i can get a better Eos bodie for the same price ?”.
Din
6 months ago |One of the company with more experience in transparent screens is Samsung.
This image was published few months ago:
http://cdn.pocket-lint.com/images/wr8t/samsung-transparent-amoled-camera-viewfinder-0.jpg?20110712-094919
What I know Samsung was testing this technology for a future camera systems, but the real problem is the transparency level of this.
Samsung already has TFT-LCD and AMOLED Transparent prototype screens, the best of them has just a 45% of transparency, but I think an option could be to use a partial screen instead cover all the viewfinder.
Nelson
6 months ago |So Oly have something that is similar to Samsung’s stuff (or do they share same info on this matter?)
Giulio Sciorio
6 months ago |Olympus,
just give me more direct control, way better dynamic range, a bit better signal to noise ratio and focus peaking and I’ll be happy.
shep
6 months ago |Interesting views on EVF’s, admin! However, I have the opposite view to you on this one. “Entry-level” DSLR’s (CaNikon) have really poor, really small apparent-size OVF’s which have a “tunnel vision” view which I abhor. These lousy DSLR OVF’s were one of many reasons I went for an E-P2 with its bright, clear, large-size, hi-resolution EVF. Add to that an ability to see the effect of white balance, and a genuine 100% of the picture, and a hi-res EVF is the hands-down winner in my “view”.
No way do I wish to compose on a back-of-the-camera screen held at arm’s length! At that distance, I can’t see the details with anywhere near the precision necessary for excellent composition.
If the rumored new Olympus EVF’s are even better, that will be wonderful. But the present one is super already.
taran
6 months ago |I like my vf-2.
George
6 months ago |Admin you are right… Future is mirrorless though is not m4/3.
Maybe i am wrong about m4/3 but future does NOT belong to Olympus, period!
Below a page i read a long time ago i thought i would share it with you.
http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/panasonic_gh2_first_look.shtml
At Photokina in 2006 I had dinner with a senior executive in the photographic industry. We were talking about the historical market battle between Nikon and Canon. At one point he paused and said, “You know – the future doesn’t belong to either of those two. The future of the photographic industry belongs to Sony and Panasonic. They get it. As for as I can tell, neither Canon nor Nikon do. They’re simply putting higher resolution and cleaner sensors in the same old boring cameras. That’s not just what the future of this industry is about. Wait – you’ll see”.
Esa Tuunanen
6 months ago |I read that almost immediate when it was published.
So when is Panasonic going to realise that hand size hasn’t shrinked any? Or Sony?
And neither are controls and their layout in modern DSLR some accident so when is Sony going to get it?
And both are also equally quilty to adding Marketing Pixels.
(going for 16MP by Pana and Sony’s 24MP sensor)
Esa Tuunanen
6 months ago |Didn’t digital already kill feeling and photography?
After all that was what about every photography evangelist, pro(phet) and their dogs were crying about decade ago.
Arrival of colour film no doubt caused another death and probably also this 35mm film roll in place of photographic plates.
And I can imagine the horrible pains of artists when photography came to spoil the handicraft art of drawing and painting.
So let’s not cling obsessively to something designed hundred years ago at entirely different technical era.
Trying to get working optical viewfinder without mirror design is whole world of problems for non prime and especially not fixed lens camera even without trying to add advantages of EVF (like live exposure preview) into it.
You could as well push drill bit into your nostril and pull the trigger: There’s remote chance for it not causing any problems but it’s pretty much sure that only thing you can get is lots of blood, headache, general pain and what ever else.
Only absolutely better thing in optical (TTL) viewfinder I can see is its guaranteedly light speed operation (when human reaction time is nearly 0.2s…) and ability to look through it without camera having any power… but the latter needs mechanical focus coupling in lens to do good in anything.
Mr. Reeee
6 months ago |+10 Optical viewfinders only really work well in mirrored SLR type cameras and rangefinders with fixed focal length lenses. I tried the X100 and while the optical viewfinder was nice in a way, it really is kind of gimmicky. As soon as it auto-switcdhed to the electronic viewfinder, it kind of lost me. Gimme the Sony 2.4MP OLED EFV over that any day!
Companies twisting themselves inside out trying to emulate OVFs in a mirrorless design doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. But if someone releases a fighter jet style HUD in a viewfinder, then cool, I’ll certainly check it out. Another consideration is how much does it raise the price of the camera and is it really worth it for the sake of nostalgia. Buy a new Bessa, if it’s nostalgia you want. I bet the OVF/EVF could be a sizable chunk of the cost of an X100.
“So let’s not cling obsessively to something designed hundred years ago at entirely different technical era.”
Good quote. Interestingly, I was showing a woman how to use her GF1 the other day and she asked what “Film Mode” was. I think it’s supposed to make images look like film? She said she wanted her images to look like what they ARE, not something else. That makes sense. It’s certainly more pure, aesthetically speaking.
shep
6 months ago |Even the very good OVF in the OM cameras was only good at f4 and larger. Focusing was difficult even at f4.5 (35-70 mm Zuiko zoom) and impossible at f5 (the 200mm Zuiko) without a change of focusing screen.
OVF”s in cheapo DSLR’s with mirrors instead of prisms are poor too.
EVF”s blow all this away.
David O
5 months ago |No it didn’t. Film still lives and pushed medium format TRI-X has a bit of magic over it.
No it didn’t. Black and white still remains popular even in the digital world.
No it didn’t. Photographic plates are still used, and produce better resolution and fidelity than any digital 35mm camera can.
No it didn’t. There sure seem to still be some painters around here or there.
Cling? Why is having a preference when it comes to creating your own art being clinging or seen as bad? I’ve seen some stunning ambrotype plates produced recently, and also stunning digital photos.
There are some other niceties as well with a proper OVF. Brightness being one of them. Response time isn’t quite that simple. It takes us about 0.2 seconds to react to something, but we still notices events much shorter than that. For example even a very short delay in a EVF can be seen as irritating (I find it very much so). And live preview? I really couldn’t care less about that. But then I still like too shot film from time to time so I must be one of those clingers.
Leica did the no mirror thing. Fuji did it. It was actually quite popular once upon a time. As long as 100% accurate framing isn’t important to you it’s a pretty nice solution.
1player
6 months ago |Canon 7d has a transmissive LCD in the viewfinder which displays AF points, spot metering circle, composition grid and etc…
i expect more than a semitransparent viewfinder from oly and pana in 2012..
Miroslav
6 months ago |Maybe the zooming in the optical viewfinder will be done by some kind of liquid lens? We saw such patents here. Those may not be good enough for (main) lenses that pass the light to the sensor, but may be just fine for viewfinders. It would be similar to a “tunnel” viewfinder – not directly linked with the main lens, but supplied the FL data from the lens.
Nick Clark
6 months ago |- Pentax FF and MF mirrorless? Whaaaaaaat? I heard vague rumours about APS mirrorless, nothing about either fullframe or medium format :/
- Sony NEX9 full-frame? Whaaaaaaaaat? Would a full-frame chip even fit inside the E-mount?
Mech
6 months ago |Might be Olympus was talking about their reflected off the sensor OVF/EVF + PDAF approach as in the fellowing link
http://egami.blog.so-net.ne.jp/upload/detail/2011_193047_fig17-c26a6.png.html
But seriously , Image display overlay on top of OVF is nothing new. The X100′s OVF with info display overlay is a prime example and the concept can be employed with EVF image overlay on top of OVF ( how they actually made the mag ratio match properly and lineup is the key ) but look no further than Minolta’s vintage 1991 9xi film slr which had traditional SLR OVF and well all the info overlay on top of the Optical aerial image. And Leica been doing overlay of frameline on OVF on their M range since the 50′s
BruceW
6 months ago |I like Miroslav’s mention of a liquid lens. Whether or not this is what he meant… what if they could use a transparent LCD not merely to display an image but to act optically as a glass lens does — to zoom, magnify, and focus the existing light of a scene reaching the eye. Such a liquid lens would zoom and focus in synchrony with the camera lens. That sounds pretty wild.
And then if they could integrate that with another layer which brightens the image based on exposure settings, and then another layer that displays the camera settings info. These last have been done, but implementing the liquid lens above and integrating them all… that could be ugly but with promise in the first iteration, or could be something really special.
… is that what the liquid lens patent rumor was about four days ago?
Miroslav
6 months ago |Yeah, that’s what I meant: the main lens electronically sends the data about the current FL to the liquid lens in the tunnel VF, which then zooms to that FL and focuses. A transparent OLED layer in front is used to display data and correct image if needed: OVF is obscured by large lens, FL is out of OVF range, the scene is too dark, art filter / custom WB is selected etc. I think it’s doable, but limited a bit and probably very expensive at the moment.
David Stock
6 months ago |A useful post, because how we see with our cameras is one of the most important and most underdeveloped parts of current digital photography. It deserves discussion.
But we shouldn’t be too romantic about DSLR viewfinders. They are not a “pure” look at the world. They involve an image projected onto a focussing screen. And most modern DSLR focussing screens are really, really bad.
For me, the best viewing where precision is required is on the ground glass of a view camera, or in the waist level finder of a medium format reflex camera.
For something smaller, I appreciate a good optical viewfinder. I loved my Mamiya 7 (just sold that gear in the past year), but the framing was loose, the lenses blocked part of the view, the rangefinder needed regular calibration, and the information in the finder was minimal. Minimum focussing distances were long. If we can get a clear view and more accurate digital framing overlays, that would be a great step forward.
The whole idea of electronic viewfinders seemed alien to me, until I started using one (on my Ricoh GXR). Now I can see exact framing, a histogram, a level, an instant review image, all without taking my eye away from the viewfinder (and putting on my glasses). Give me more of that, with larger electronic screens, higher resolution and faster refresh rates, and I’ll be happy.
amalric
6 months ago |One shouldn’t fall for marketing lingo. As fascinating as a new VF can be the two problems of Oly are not adressed by the interview:
- the new sensor – is there one?
- backwards compatibility with 4/3 lenses. Will there be a PDAF sensor in the new camera?
Think that most camera users by now are used to shoot with an LCD: they see both the reality and the image. IBIS also helped that and IMHO there is no going back: it’s a freer style of shooting.
For landscape and architecture a hybrid VF might do well, for more precise composition, but those are two genres among others.
Far more important for Olympus would be to have a 16 Mpx sensor and a bridge to use 4/3 lenses.
There is a third, more futuristic hypothesis: that Oly changed its purveyor of sensors and is considering a bigger sensor, which is ‘compatible with m4/3′
TheEye
6 months ago |Hey AM, composing an image looking on a screen with both eyes works differently than composing an image through a VF, looking with only one eye. Since the left eye is connected to the right side of the brain, and the right eye to the left side, with one side being the emotional/artistic side and the other the rational/analytical side, photographers tend to get very different images when composing with the right versus the left eye. Many compose deliberately with the left or right eye, depending on what kind of result they want. I have never bothered looking into both-eyed composing, although I used to shoot 4×5 quite a bit. Of course, we can’t really compare flexible grab-shooting and deliberate ground-glass shooting anyway. The eye/brain connection and processing is something to consider, though. I very much prefer the one-eyed approach over the at-arm’s-length circus act.
Barry
6 months ago |Very interesting & possible analysis, which could become reality with the rumor that i just got: Olympus is preparing a reborn OM body with micro4/3 mount & sensor, plus weather shield. I consider my informant is quite credible as he also the one who informed me about the 12-50 lens. I myself really excited on this rumor
amalric
6 months ago |You believe that trash, The Eye? I don’t. I have used OVF all my life and I used indifferently left or right eye . and there was no sudden jump in the inspiration when using one or the other
I concur that LCD shooting is an acquired taste, but so was shooting with a Rollei 6×6 with waistfinder, a camera that was used by many artists with both eyes.
Congrats, however this is the most creative excuse I have heard in defence of OVF/EVF
TheEye
6 months ago |Well, I guess you may want to get your brain checked! :-p
Ageha
6 months ago |“Invisible” OLED layer?
Of course…
Austin
6 months ago |The new viewfinder mentioned here reminds me that Samsung is working on a transparent OLED!
http://www.oled-info.com/samsung-oled
I don’t know if it’s related to Olympus’ new VF, but it is possible to make a VF as you described above. The color depth and brightness of the VF will be challenging, I guess.