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It will come and go…and probably no one using the hacked GH2 will give a shit…

I’d be happy if it matches GH2 in term of video, because I like a nice looking camera that can take video as good as the GH2.

They say the jelly effect is reduced – this is not the case with gh2 sensor (i own gh2 and know it exactly), so it means the sensor is all new

It is surely a marketing term to be better than GH2. We know that GH2 has the strength with hacked firmware rather than the factory firmware. If only the jelly effect is better, it does not make sense when we look at the video quality as a whole, especially the output from the improvements of the hacked firmware.

Fuji, Somewhat…maybe just a mistress. Too few lenses, slow focus and quirks..but maybe in 2years it could have a system….right now ..I am betting on a great MFT sensor in the next year…has to be developed for the MFT system to compete with all of the new and intense competition. You will see Charlie!!!!

The wife of Jean Fautrier.

I definitively await the unveil with great interest It won’t be enough just Olympus doing their marketing of course, we need to see the RAW files and those DXo scores roll.

+10

That sounds delusional to me. The D4 has AFAIK a major upgrade in video.

Wrong. A Japanese trustful rumor site says the sensor is not the same as in the GX1. No further info. Sit back.

At the chip’s pixel level every review I have seen indicates that the G3 16mp and the GH2 18mp sensors are built the same. They certainly may be driven by slighly different circuitry and different logic, but even that is not likely.

I’m simply saying that the G3/GX1/GH2 are all the same “generation” of Panasonic image sensor development, and it most probable that the new Olympus camera will use this generation of Panasonic sensor, so don’t get your hopes up that an IQ leap is going to happen.

If video is your game, get a GH2 or wait until Panasonic can deliver a GH3. If stills are what you are mostly interested in, and you do a lot of outdoor work, then the new Olympus should offer some features the G3 and GX1 don’t have, but the RAW imagery is not likely to be better than that produced by the G3/GX1 and GH2.

Global Shutter yay !

GH2 sensor is similar, but not the same as G3. 60p video output, video optimized, higher ISO capabilities. Photo image quality is the same.

Built in EVF = all I ever wanted. I’d buy this camera even if it had exactly the same internals as my E-PL2, as long as I can hold it to my face to take a picture.

Me hope so too that Oly will support 25p. ’bout time if they want to lead the pack for once.

Or maybe admin, it has a gx1 sensor tweaked and what you are being told is wrong? This is one thing I am not believing until those Dxo scores roll and I see and examine the raw files myself…

If the new camera has an intertial sensor and TruePic has angle of view information and if you use a smaller portion of the 43 sensor, you can eliminate the “jello” effect through processing — each little bit the camera is panned, each line of information coming out of the sensor is shifted a bit.

Nervous?

yeh lol – the reality is they probably upsize the 12Mpix sensor and use HDR to give it DR… then frame double or interoplate the video to 1080 60p…. and the VF will be the same as the VF2 and the improved focus will be just a nats cock better than the EP3 without any true PDAF or CDAF that is as good as!

I so hope this statement is wrong to the core… but every time we hope oly will pull it out they don’t quite cut it!

Mr O,

Tell me it will be everything we all wish for

PDAF,
Better than G3 sensor,
Top quality VF,
1080 60p…

If so Oly will not be able to make enough of these to supply the needy/wanty

Nope. Nintendo all the way.

Great point though neonart

> So the very same sensor could have different DR depend on the settings the camera maker use
No it can’t have because RAW is data directly from sensor.
JPEG is meaningless for measuring actual sensor performance because it can’t even retain the accuracy of data which is further cropped, trimmed and manipulated.

That’s why every Olympus camera since E-30 has same dynamic range: Sensor with its photosites is same.

Guys I am totally laughing and I think Charlie is laughing too…its just funny stuff, ghetto slang, etc …no need for the hall monitor! We are playing nice and just having a laugh. I could care if the OM is better than the GH..I want them both to be great cameras!!!!!!
This isn’t a parking lot…it is the web…two different places.

If all the other hype is true I don’t care if video is not better!

EVF resolution is irrelevant.
Even VF2 has plenty of resolution (you can’t really see pixels).

What’s more important is how it works in practice like refresh rate, responsiveness and dynamic range of the image shown.

Sony’s OLED VF might have more resolution, but it’s not that great otherwise.

Yeah… poor me… hehe ….

But I have an oxymoron ft5 impossible rumor – OM-G!H2X has best ever image quality for an Olympus M43 pen camera ! Incredible !

I mean really, how is this a rumor ? It’s an obvious statement about camera development with a dose of hype to get people reading.

Dang, this columbian coca tea is good

> what else is that damn standard for if they don’t use it !

For fooling consumers into thinking that they get best quality while AVCHD specification is designed to limit video quality available from consumer products.
H.264/MPEG4 AVC is good compression but we need file format which allows higher bitrate than AVCHD for actually getting that best quality.

Forgot that Olympus could actually use some better video file format instead of messy AVCHD.
For example Matroska if free open source container format and would allow free choosing of bitrate.

There is a VBR hack in the works that will noticeably address this issue: constant quality on a “need to spend” bitrate basis.
You should check personal-view within the next week as it’s only out for a day and it needs testing.

C’mon guys! Why must everything be a you vs me thing!? I remember being 12 years old and debating Sega vs Nintendo in the 8-bit era. It doesn’t matter!!
We don’t walk up to strangers in parking lots and tell them their cars suck and ours is better, and that they’re fanboy b!tches!
Seriously. Let’s grow up. All these new cameras are awesome! Let’s just go out and shoot and become better photographers.

You understood correctly.
Official AVCHD specification is rigged to limit video quality of consumer products.
Just compare the fact that for double amount of information (60 fps progressive) AVCHD 2.0 allows only 28Mb/s while for Blu-Ray (30 fps max) max bitrate is 40Mb/s.

now Charlie…if the OM has the G3 sensor in it and the GH3 comes out and bests the OM..who will be Da Bitch den? hmmmmm?

“One of the aspects Olympus worked hard id the reducing of the “jello effect”

True…

This should be interesting as EOSDH.com rates the GH2 as the best DSLR in video and very competitive with dedicated video cameras which cost 5 times as much. Also, Olympus really has no experience in video cameras so this would be quite an accomplishment if true.

Not sure, at the current state of the art, how this could be accomplished with out a global shutter.

#3 is the most likely case. If Olympus prove me wrong, I won’t be unhappy either.

However, I would expect a clear declaration from them as to where they sourced their new sensor from and why it is different and “better”- without any of the marketing hype.

Would there be more DR than the exisiting G3 or GH2 sensor? (of course this is all just fantasy, LOL).

Speaking of which when is the next strip tease photo going to cross our screens?

I guess, it’s better just on a partial spec like frame rate, not all.
It’s been around 1.5 yrs since GH2 launched. No wander new camera is better on several parts, even in video mode.

The performance of the sensor is not determined only by the sensor it self but also by how well the processor and other conversion process working together inside the camera. 12 MP, 16 MP, or 18 MP it doesn’t matter as long as from the said sensor, camera maker can squeeze every data it can capture and turn it into great quality picture. So the very same sensor could have different DR depend on the settings the camera maker use or because they redesign the sensor for new improvement.

We as user can be happy that our money well spend on new camera because inside we have new sensor. If we skeptical about it we can let DxO Mark test it after the camera launched. If there’s no or too little improvement of new sensor can be proven, then admin can reduce the rumors FT scale from 5 to 4 or even 3 as he like. Because this is his site.

any speculation is based on the native GH2 spec (firware updated of course). The hacked specs are not going to be beaten any time soon.

Based on the leaked info, it will cost roughly the same as the NEX-7. And that’s fine by me. Some of us want to pay good money for good equipment.

If I didn’t want to spend much money, I’d just by some used previous generation PEN on eBay.

I agree with Fan…plus…the NEX AF lenses are soft. All of them…even the Zeiss. It is not sharp like my Zeiss 21mm for my full-frame camera. I bet you if you did a comparison with a GX1 vs. Sony 5n and pitted the Pany/Leica 25mm f/1.4 or the Pany/Leica 45mm 2.8 Macro against anything that Sony has to offer…that the raw file would be as good as or best the Sony image. (if you use one of the kit zooms on the Panasonic, especially the compact X kit lens…not so much a challenge).

BTW: m4/3 is THE best selling mount in Japan.
-p-

Sony’s lenses are too big. M43 is about smaller lenses.

We can get Sony’s sensor quality too. The M43 sensor is big enough. For example, if you put the NEX 7 24.x MP sensor into a M43 camera, you get 14.9 MP in the same quality. That would be sufficient for me.

So I wouldn’t say APS-C has an inherent advantage in general image quality, just in resolution.

I really don’t know how to survive the next two weeks. I am so full of anticipation and tension …

Probably just like the old M-1, that this camera will be called GH2. And then Panasonic will start suing Olympus and the name will change to OGH2. Just kidding

(To be clear, I hate +xxx comments, not Duarte’s)

Can you have “your people” call Panasonic, please?!?!?!

I will still keep my money on Panasonic and m4/3 for best-in-class video but if the OM-D rumors are true, well a little competition never harmed the consumer!

Thank you Sony NEX for putting pressure on m4/3 mfrs to up their game and take things to the next level. I really hope these rumors turn out to be true

Would such an awesome camera cost less than a NEX7? Just saying…

Admin – Why are you troubled that the sensor isn’t the same as the GX1 or the GH2? That’s not a bad thing. They did hint that it’s a new sensor, so maybe they’re right after all.

hope pana is still workin on the sensor and will test that camera for GH3

OM-GH2x got to have an “x” or its not a real camera.

Better video means more sales, and more sales mean cheaper camera.

That red record button on my E-PL1 is already assignable.

back that up will you?

so you mean it is probably already better? You know the GH cams don’t have the same sensors as any other pany cameras, right?

LOL. I wonder what he is doing on a rumors site in the first place.

I was going to get a GH2 in the next few weeks. My intention was to get it, and to look towards getting an OM-D later. But I might hold off and save a few more pennies up. The OM-D was the type of camera I had been waiting for before I threw my eggs into the m4/3 basket. Although I admit I still have a few reservations about it as a system (it’s more complete than other mirrorless systems).

I’m not getting too carried away with anticipation, as I believe that better could mean many things. However, there always has been the potential for making video in stills cameras much better. With more powerful image processors, which are more video specific. There’s clearly more coming onto the market for companies like Olympus that don’t produce all the core components themselves. Also it should be possible with the right approach to get far more dynanmic range off the sensor, and a less baked in video image i.e. having more control over the parameters. Any manufacturer like Olympus without a video division to protect could with innovative thinking produce a much better video implementation than we’ve seen so far. There are so many silly little things manufacturers are leaving off, like headphone sockets for audio monitoring.

Having said all that, I’m mainly looking for a stills camera, but one that also takes good video. What I’m really hoping for is peaking, and if Olympus could throw in video crop modes and some high frame rate options, I’ve got a spare kidney if anyone’s interested.

Lets wait for Olympus to release this camera before we start wild speculations… I’m more concerned about colours and DR.

now seeing is believing! we gotta see some footage….

Lets hope you are right!

Hopefully will get In-body IBIS for Video too?
Any rumors on that?

For the same reason, the brand names Minolta and Canon don’t sound good to me, i had too much hard fights with their copy machines. So i’m glad im not a physican who has to conduct colonoscopies.

+1

So if we stick to the statments made from the sources..higher video quality than the GH2, high DR and faster AF than E-P3…and discounting the marketing hype (because the sources are probably from olympus) what do we get?
Something like 0,5 to 1.5 EV better than the E-P3 DR, no jello effect and 0.109887 faster AF? lets say a little worse IQ than nex 5, almost the same…or even better: the same.? what is you opinion?

+1000

(I hate such comments, but in this case, it’s exactly how I feel. I’d love something even better for video than my GH2, but so far a lot of “better than the GH2″ pretenders have come and gone, and with the hack, the bar is currently very high.)

leaker=Olympus Marketing Dept. You can get in touch with them here:
http://www.olympusamerica.com/presspass/press_pass_cut/contactus.asp

The GH2 hack is great for people that has high needs (videographers, special projects…). I have a GH2 but not hacked it because I use it for domestic purposes and want my videos to be high quality but still futureproof and relatively small in size. Though in any case it is great to have both possibilities.

About the OM-D, these looks like the AF speed race we saw last year, with everyone claiming to have the fastest. In my opinion, it doesn’t matter who was actually the winner, what is important is that m4/3 managed to beat the old mirrorless focusing disadvantaging against DSLR. And it is great that with the OM-D there is another highly competent camera for video, regardless if it is actually slightly better or not than the GH2.

I think this camera will be great for the whole m4/3 system, especially because it will get the same kind of attention as the Fuji X PRO 1.

I agree with Rob and the eye above…It was a bad day that video got into my still camera. I also disagree with Leu and ha. The GH2 is mainly video oriented. (I know it shoots great stills…but a G3 body is almost half the price…). I never bought one because of the price…and that price reflected additional video tech in the camera. No doubt.
Also…moving on…can all manufacturers make the video button on the camera an optional Fn button, PLEASE, for all of us who never shoot video. Just tout it as a “feature” and we can all be happy!
It is a totally different discipline.

I don’t know about the sensor being the same as in the G3, but I’ll be very surprised if this “better video” claim turns out to be true. “Better video” is not a one-dimensional measure. Rolling shutter is one effect, but in my experience usually not a big one. Good downscaling is much more important, in order to reduce noise, preserve detail, and avoid moire and aliasing. Efficient use of the available bits for encoding is another huge one. In those areas, the GH2 has been holding on to its lead against much newer cameras (from Sony and Nikon). Add in the hack, and I think the GH2 is still far and away the best overall camera in terms of video. It does lack some of the latest features (60P @ 1920×1080 for example), but those are again just one dimension, and probably not so important unless you have specific needs.

If this new camera is indeed a marked improvement over the GH2 in video, I’ll definitely buy it. But without seeing a lot of real footage (not just a spec sheet, and not just a rolling shutter demo), I’ll reserve judgement.

+1………

well of course …you guy are stealing ALL of our thunder for a whole week now!

No, Jello is a camera industry wide description of rolling shutter artifacts. It has nothing to do with stabilisation, Thankyou

No, Jello is a camera industry wide description of rolling shutter artifacts. It has nothing to do with stabilisation. Thankyou

> (because being Panny cameras, they lack the magical Oly touch).

Hard to create magic if your microwave has the same name…

“Much better at least means it is as good”

Comment of the year.

ya wanna play…you gotta pay..alway has been that way…especially with camera gear.

Its the way I understood the last paragraph from the published rumor.

It’s all hype until we see the facts (i.e. the camera).

Or new processing slgoritms. I’m no expert but I guess that with the increased processing speed of newer cameras something could be done that will correct this without new sensor technology. I’m guessing software-based.

I REALLY hope this is true, but the fact is that after a LOT of time none of your sources told you who made this mf@#$ sensor. This is somewhat disturbing. If all this ends up with a oly camera with “tweaked” panasonic sensor, it will be really bad.
But there is hope. FINGERS CROSSED.

Why? It is unbelievable (funny for a FT5 rumor BTW

There will most likely be one, according to a recent interview with mr. Ogawa, who clearly said that there’s still a need for DSLRs.

The E-5 was released a year and a half ago. I’m fine with waiting for another year, as long as the E-7 comes out with this new sensor.

Then I’d happily buy an OM-D as well, with a normal prime, when I’m not shooting my youngest riding horses. For lightweight daytime general photography, I use my E-510 with the Zuiko 25mm, and I wouldn’t mind replacing that combo with an OM-D and the m4/3 Panaleica or something similar that Olympus might produce.

I just NEED the E-7 to shoot my kid, the occasional weddings, and do wildlife photos (for which I’d like to have the little tuna and the EC-20, but I’m not spending more money without a new camera body to go with it). My E-3s are getting long in the tooth, and the E-5 is a bit too expensive for a sensor with the same DR.

Come on, Olympus, throw us loyal fourthirders a bone here. Tell us you’ll get the E-7 out soon-ish, and it’ll have this new sensor. Please?

No, you’re not the only one.

Maybe they should call it the OM-GH2 ? Just teasing folks…

“than I am really having BIG troubles that the 16 megapixel sensor is the same of the Panasonic GX1.” every sane person knows that

About Video and being better than the GH2.

Remember this claim is thrown without any context. We don’t know in which circumstances (low light? jello effect? 1080p60? 720p120? AVCHD 2.0? fast focusing?)

It’s not that difficult to exceed the GH2 specification, the NEX-5N does it with 1080p60 but is trashed on low light and high ISO, the E-P3 should exceed it in low light (if full sensor binning is true like it was marketed) but is trashed in available video modes), the Sony SLT’s does it with PD focusing but it’s got even worse IQ than NEX-5N, and so on…

The real strength of the GH2 in video lies in the fact that it has no weak points plus 2 key factors:

1) The way it bins pixels for video, giving unsurpassed (in APS-C) detail and low light IQ. Again I must say I don’t have an E-P3 but I don’t see any reports on how it’s video is excelling.

2) the HACK. Let’s face it, no camera that stays within AVCHD recording specs, can ever aspire to beat a full Intra H.264 176Mbps stream (and I might even tell you that there is a major turn over coming on to the hacks’ patch sets, which promises the same quality at much less bitrate expense).

As for 1) let’s hope Olympus got their hands on an advanced sensor and this is true.

As for 2) forget about it or buy into a ProRes 4:4:4 external recorder.

Have you heard something about ISO performance Admin?

“Much better at least means it is as good”

Huh? “Much better” means “much better” and not “at least as good.” The latter means “the same” or “better” by an unspecified amount, which may be marginal or extreme.

Admin, any news on the GH3 rumors you were talking about way back? If it is going to be released in feb (not that it is or anything, just if) there must be some juicy details.

As always, super-appreciative of your work.

Better be, what else is that damn standard for if they don’t use it !

Like Chuck D sang, “Don’t believe the hype!”
You people know in your heart it’s the G3 sensor and Olympus has merely tweaked it- the dynamic range will be almost identical. Also, as far as being more capable than the GH2 when it comes to video- come on people. Be sensible. I would love for it to be true and for the Olympus to become the go to tool for low budget Indy filmmakers but the GH2 (both hacked and unhacked) has some mighty impressive video specs. It will require a huge leap on the part of Olympus to best it. And when was the last time an Olympus camera represented a huge technological leap? Exactly.

Hello Negative Steve, FYI: Much better at least means it is as good, meaning the best in its class, how is that not substantial? You might not care for it, but it is substantial.

So what. Better than the GH2 in 2012 is nothing to shout about. The Gh3 will soon be realeased with AVCHD2 and otjer improvements. Typical Olympus story.

Good news! But perhaps GH3 will have a better video quality than GH2 too

AVCHD 2.0?

I would be happy for all this new rumored technology in an E-5 body. I don’t need a new body for E-7. I think that the body of E-3/E-5 is good enough.

yeah silly me, I guess I should expect hyperbole and hype eh ? Unfortunately, for me, that lowers the credibility of any unsubstantiated claims.

wait and see eh ?

This is a rumors site, I don’t understand exactly what you expect. He has multiple sources on this, and he apparently has good reason to trust them.

No one necessarily said that it would be better than the hacked GH2.

looks like there is no need to wait for gh3, all specs are so good

I remember 43rumors reported global shutter patent from Olympus. If they are really putting it into OM-D, I for one will be thrilled!!!

For any shooting, I have full-frame cams for the stuff that needs to be printed large.For any EVIL, I really need it to be enough IQ/quick/low-profile/light weight and have good video features with manual control.

For all we have in rumor, OM-D seems have ticked all the boxes for me!

Substantial ? Are you being sarcastic ? “much better” is highly subjective, so there’s nothing of substance here, and admin even follows this with a disclaimer ” Keep in mind that this is a rumors site and I rely on info received by others and that I have no way to check it out if it’s true.”

I hope it’s true but is it better than a hacked GH2 ? Probably not.

reduced jello… is still jello.. I have a GH2…waiting to see what the GH3 holds.. Hoping for global shutter.

Olympus people, I know you’re reading this… Let me know when the E-7 with all these new goodies is coming out. Please. I’m sure the OM-D is going to be a very fine camera, but it’s not for me, and I don’t want to switch systems… Come on, E-7, when’s it coming out? I’ll tell you what: you give me an E-7, and I’ll buy the OM-D as well. How’s that?

If these rumours should be true it’s going to be hard not to buy this cam =)
Thanks for the substantial info admin! Keep the leaks comin’!

Hmm, that´s nice, if it´s true. But I´m not a film maker. I´m a photographer. I want the best image quality. That´s much more important to me!

Yeah. I think Nikon just made a great mistake to release D4 in the era of mirrorless. Who cares about that bulky, expensive DSLR. I feel that OM-D shall blow away every top full frame camera.

Do you really know that the sensor is the same as in the GX1 ?

good news BUT I hope we dont get our hopes too high until we get the actual specs. Otherwise, expect another massive whining/complaints/insults when the real specs come out.

+1

The e-5 iq is as good as large format cams . Anyway, the om will shurly be a fantasic cam.

Well this is good news all along and it means that not only the sensor has got to be new to allow faster readout, but also the imaging engine had to be redesigned.
For this better quality to happen, the sensor needs to have new binning modes. IIRC the E-P3 had a full sensor binning mode for video, but this was hardly ever discussed.
These wild claims are often given in restricted context so let’s wait to see what comes along.

Wow… I think this camera really will be a blast for many people !!!

> One of the aspects Olympus worked hard id the reducing of the “jello effect”.

Too bad, actually, as that means there’s still only software stabilization in video mode… Unless you use a Panasonic MegaOIS lense, of course. :p

wow!this sounds very interesting…. but all this good news lead to a bad one….the price can’t be so low…!!!