Trustedreviews about the GH3: “Nikon and Canon should be watching their backs”

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Panasonic Lumix GH3 Menu Walkthrough Video

GH3:
Also Trustedreviews posted a new GH3 preview and writes that: “The only DSLRs that come close to offering the video features and quality it offers cost significantly more. With all this goodness stuffed into a weatherproofed body that’s still smaller and lighter than most pro-level SLRs, Nikon and Canon should be watching their backs – though we’re sparing our final verdict till the full review.
We will soon see if that is an overstatement or not but one thing is sure. Nikon and Canon aren’t’ taking the new mirrorless market very seriously. And it will be hard for them to catch up with the MFT-NEX and Fuji X system.

E-PL5
Meantime the press keeps talking about the Micro Four Thirds system. The largest European weekly magazine just praised the new Olympus E-PL5. Read the article from Der Spiegel (translation here). They write: “The e-PL5 is one of the best compact mirrorless cameras. The picture quality is impressive and focus extremely fast and reliable”. I am a daily Der Spiegel reader and I know they do not often use such words for their reviews!
One more little news: Olympus Japan issued a statement to say that the E-PM2 will ship from October 26th. The E-PL5 is already shipping via Digitalrev (worlwide shipment) and eBay (Click here).

Panasonic and Olympus Preorder Links with specs and price:
Special GH3 page at Amazon (Click here) and a full Olympus presentation page at Amazon (Click here).
GH3 at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Bhphoto (Click here)Panasonic US and in Europe at Wexphotographic UK and Technikdirekt.
35-100mm X lens at Amazon (Click here), Bhphoto (Click here), Panasonic US.
E-PL5 at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Bhphoto (Click here). In EU at Amazon Germany, Amazon UK, Amazon France,
E-PM2 at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Bhphoto (Click here). In EU at Amazon Germany, Amazon UK, Amazon France,
XZ-2 at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Bhphoto (Click here).
60mm macro at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Bhphoto (Click here).
12mm Black prime lens at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Bhphoto (Click here).
15mm cap-lens at Amazon (Click here), Adorama (Click here), Bhphoto (Click here).

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  • Canon + Nikon = Nokia
    who said 12 months ago canikon are too late to the party *whistles to himself* :-]

    • Party crashers tend to show up late. ;-)

    • Canon and Nikon are going Full Frame and will do everything in their power (which is a lot) to persuade their customers to migrate. The millions over millions of EOS and F lenses out there will make sure both manufacturers keep dominating the market for a long time. They will suffer some casualties on the way, though nothing they can’t survive. Canon has actually shown impressive resilience: with little innovation over the past three years it keeps going strong. Canon is still leading with new interchangeable-lens system users, at least in my close environment. Nikon is a close second, Sony is looming on the horizon and Panasonic/Olympus are unfortunately still perceived as niche manufacturers. Needless to say, a lot of shooters still don’t understand the importance of optics in photography. It’s all about sensor dimensions, DXO metrics and “Pro” appearances.

      • @sneye
        “Canon and Nikon are going Full Frame and will do everything in their power (which is a lot) to persuade their customers to migrate. ” what a stupid thing for canikon to do…how does that benefit the customer?Photographer’s don’t even want to edit their photos on their deskbound 16 core 24gb computers they want to edit them on their PORTABLE tablets/phones/laptops…
        The mega pixel race is dead the ISO race is practically at a stand still,and ultra thin DoF isn’t everyone’s bag, where else can canikon take their ageing consumers?
        The ASP-C /DX cameras didn’t deliver what the consumers thought it would, do you really think they will migrate to “full frame” in large numbers…

        • “Photographer’s don’t even want to edit their photos on their deskbound 16 core 24gb computers they want to edit them on their PORTABLE tablets/phones/laptops…”

          That random “plural apostrophe” there threw me off for second.

          No, I neither am nor want I be hooked up, dialed in, and online all the time. No way I want to edit my pictures on the fly on my cellphone, but I want to do the editing sitting comfortably at my desk at my leisure.

    • nobody

      Canon were also last to introduce AF. First was a company called Minolta…

      Just saying.

      • Anonymous

        Minolta was the first company to introduce a commercially successful auto-focus SLR, but weren’t the first ones to introduce the concept.

        Canon, Olympus, Nikon, Pentax all had an auto-focus SLR with a few matching lenses before the introduction of the Minolta 7000 AF. None of those SLRs however made for a complete AF capable system. Additionally, the 7000 AF was the first camera to integrate all features of what would become the defacto standard for any serious ‘film SLR’, most prominently the integration of both AF and a motor drive in a single compact body.

        Canon’s timing for the first EOS camera however was very good. By the time it was introduced, it had become feasible to put the focus motor in the lens, and Canon could design an ‘all electronic’ system. Unlike Nikon, Minolta and all, this meant Canon didn’t have to bother with supporting both mechanical and electronic coupling, and could create an implementation that would stay current for decades to come without significant modifications.

      • Looks like the first was actually Leica. Here’s the history of auto focus from Wikipedia:

        “Between 1960 and 1973, Leitz (Leica)[1] patented an array of autofocus and corresponding sensor technologies. At photokina 1976, Leica had presented a camera based on their previous development, named Correfot, and in 1978 they displayed an SLR camera with fully operational autofocus. The first mass-produced autofocus camera was the Konica C35 AF, a simple point and shoot model released in 1977. The Polaroid SX-70 Sonar OneStep was the first autofocus single-lens reflex camera, released in 1978. The Pentax ME-F, which used focus sensors in the camera body coupled with a motorized lens, became the first autofocus 35 mm SLR in 1981. In 1983 Nikon released the F3AF, their first autofocus camera, which was based on a similar concept to the ME-F. The Minolta 7000, released in 1985, was the first SLR with an integrated autofocus system, meaning both the AF sensors and the drive motor were housed in the camera body, as well as an integrated film advance winder — which was to become the standard configuration for SLR cameras from this manufacturer, and also Nikon abandoned their F3AF system and integrated the autofocus-motor and sensors in the body. Canon, however, elected to develop their EOS system with motorised lenses instead. In 1992, Nikon changed back to lens integrated motors with their AF-I and AF-S range of lenses; today their entry-level DSLRs do not have a focus motor in the body due to a broad range of available lenses.”

  • EASY

    GH3 not a threat to DSLR.

    • ….carry on sleepwalking :-]

      • EASY

        1. Not everyone needs video,
        2. Too big and heavy for mirrorless,
        3. Too expensive,
        4. Image quality below EM5,
        5. EM5 also cheaper – not great value for money,
        6. CAF worse than DSLR.
        Why to switch?
        We hear those stories about the threat to DSLR for last 3 years, but it never happened (only in fanboys dreams.)

        • uth

          1. Not everyone needs video,
          * yeahhh this is not for everyone!!! it’s just for someone like me ^^

          2. Too big and heavy for mirrorless
          * there are a lot of camera in this system that smaller and lighter… just one model for better handling, what is the problem with that??? and for me DSLR or mirrorless they are system camera. I have no problem with camera weight but when using it with several lenses… you can see the different. so a bit bigger body is fine for me if it has a better ergonomic handing.

          3. Too expensive.
          * depend on your salary.

          4. Image quality below EM5.
          * Are you sure about that? in my opinion, there are in the same level. which one is better?? it depends on your taste :)

          6. CAF worse than DSLR.
          * in mirrorless system i bet i bet Panasonic camera is the best now. for dslr comparison… I have no idea but I think every system have their advantage and dis advantage.

          • Vlad

            You just proved Easy’s point.

        • @Easy
          1. you can’t sell a camera nowadays without video
          2.it’s the same size as an L10 and similar to the E-630 and not too different to the E-3 and E-5 but obviously lighter, some Lenses will sit better on a GH3 than an G series/Pen
          3. prices will drop in a few months, you’re actually getting a lot of bang for your bucks/pounds/euros
          4. maybe/maybe not
          5. see no 3
          6. not proven yet and Oly and Panny are working on predictive focus and various types of intelligent focus!
          … it’s the next 3 years I would be worried about!

          • Vlad

            I imagine you wanted to write “you can’t sell a camera nowadays without video”. Actually, you can. Fuji, for example.
            As to the size, the GH3 is as big as a Sony A57/65, D5100, etc. Almost as heavy too. All of those are half its price.
            Granted, it is quite feature packed and weather sealed, but lately I am wondering where’s the m43 biggest benefit – size – going.

            • Vlad

              Ok, I messed up. Now I will shut up.

        • You possibly didn’t notice that there is a crisis with the DSLR cameras, particularly with ones which have the APS-C-sized sensors. Moreover, for the last few ears we have not seen much progress in the sensor still-image capabilities, rather than small improvements there and there. Who knows, may be the Quantum Film, an imaging-sensing technology that it claims will replace silicon, can bring a new breakthrough for still imaging, but for now there is not much reasons to switch from the two-years old camera to a new one, if you are interested only in still-images.
          The most significant development is actually in video capabilities and user-interface of the digital cameras.
          The OM-D targets the different category of photographers, I would say the conservative one. That is not bad, but it is not the whole photographer- audience. The Panasonic GH3 is possibly a first serious (semi-) Pro MFT camera for the “non-conservative” photographers.

        • 4. Image quality below EM5:

          Previous article’s photo comparison is not concluding at all. In fact, those using a good noise reduction software (such as noise ninja) are generally not pleased by aggressive noise reduction straight out of the body, such as that of the OM…

          Simply put, the verdict is not out yet.

        • James70094

          You talk about the GH3 being too big and heavy as well as too expensive. What about those FF DSLRs? As for being a threat, no they are not. Increased quality from all cameras is the only threat. Will all pros suddenly change format? No, absolutely not. There has been a trend with some pros using a m4/3 camera with a prime lens as a second camera or in certain situations to take advantage of its size.

          As an non-pro who has zero interest in selling photos, a FF would be overkill. Maybe when I can’t find film for my SLRs I will consider one. Probably not since the 30inch by 20 inch poster I had printed from E-P1 looks great. The size and weight and cost of the camera and lenses are more important to me than some silly claim to having the best. If anything, I would get a medium format camera if I decide I want to sell photos. I do landscapes and architecture, no need for portraits. And no desire.

          If you actually look at interchangeable lens cameras as a whole, Olympus and Panasonic have increased their market share considerably. And that is something all the companies should be monitoring.

          And you say fanboy as if it’s a bad thing. You yourself are a fanboy. As am I and evryone else. Except ladies, they are fangirls.

        • Esa Tuunanen

          > 5. EM5 also cheaper – not great value for money
          One EU price comparison gives now 1150€ as lowest price for GH3 which is clearly lower than E-M5 plus HLD-6 for getting any kind grip.
          And even with that expensive grip E-M5 has class lower retro ergonomics.

          So it’s more like the other way around.

          • EASY

            It is not in the UK.

    • it’s a possible threat for my wallet X’D
      I really want to shoot movies and GH3 might be the best options. For photos I prefer using a NEX or Fuji X-E1

    • Harold

      @EASY

      Agree with you. GH3 is not a threat to DSLR in my view. It’s big and bulky. Its size is not much different from DSLR. If I want mirrorless, I consider OMD, GX1, X-E1, or NEX. Even though GH series is superb in terms of videography. The majority of users, however, nowadays still focus mainly on photography.

      • EASY

        I am sure that GH3 will be good camera for some, but for me it has zero appeal. I prefer G5, or future GX2.
        The target market is mainly videographers and it is relatively small.
        I do not see people switching from DSLR to GH3 in big numbers.

        • Tron

          Wrong Easy… the photography paradigm constantly shifts and it is your lack of vision that skews your view of the entire landscape. Videography has become an enormous market as a result of HDSLRs creating an affordable entry point to a quality video image. The number of corporate videos being uploaded to YouTube, Facebook and Vimeo is exploding and most of these have been created by small 1-4 person production teams on very low budgets. You simply don’t understand the market at all, which is why the GH3 makes no sense to you. However this camera is a revolution at its price point considering the features that it offers. The fact that it takes pictures comparable to an OMD in addition to it’s excellent video is just icing on the cake and another reason to buy it.

          • EASY

            Mirrorless is still far from overtaking DSLR.
            I don’t mind video, but I am not ready to pay for high-end video.

            • Esa Tuunanen

              That’s because of mirrorless having sticked to your unergonomically small P&S ideology.
              Mirrorless actually overtaking and replacing DSLRs needs offering options with same capabilities/features: Meaning ergonomical grip with less stressed position for fingers and without constant danger of accidental button presses. (GH2 failed in those)
              And full controls with ergonomically placed front and rear dials (lacked by E-M5)
              and buttons for direct activation of change of important settings and exposure parameters.
              Without those attempt is doomed from the start.

              Without of lack of bulk of complex mirror box and prism viewfinder mirrorless is always lighter than DSLR of same construction and ergonomics (GH3 is mirrorless equivalent of Canon 7D, Sony A77) which in itself should be achievement.
              And really unless you’re that average supermarket camera kit Point&Shooter lenses make most of system’s bulk&weight and there 4/3 sensor has lot more freedom to choose lenses best fitting to needs.

              Sure lack of proper focus tracking capability is disadvantage for mirrorless but that’s probably going to mostly disappear in few years… and even DSLR autofocus can’t do miracles making manual prefocusing still necessary in some animal/bird shooting. (same shots could be taken with mirrorless)

  • 35mm

    @EASY
    I Have Just One Word for You : FOOL!

    • Kenneth

      If you disagree with him/her, demonstrate your reasons against him.

      • EASY

        Thanks, Kenneth. I just have different opinion.

    • APS-C

      mommy stop talking like that ! i don’t reconize you, you should get denoised tonight :(

  • “Nikon and Canon should watch their backs”….well Canon certainly isn’t watching its back by offering the “M” camera?….that was not really an offering, So, it is apparent that both of the big boys don’t really care about the mirrorless market. If put to task they could make incredible mirrorless cameras, no?

  • Kenneth

    Actually they do care according to what I’ve heard from interviews with their top management. However, at this time, they have their own strategies which are not about the mirrorless market now.

    In fact, Canon and Nikon have resources more than enough to catch up with other mirrorless brands. Espectially for Nikon, I once realized their ability to release few bodies and 3-4 lens in a very short period.

    • @kenneth
      canikon are making a big strategic mistake, not that I’m complaining :-]

    • Esa Tuunanen

      > they have their own strategies which are not about the mirrorless market now.
      Strategies coming from film era legacy systems with whose they build their camera market domination.
      That’s their strength and weakness:

      Existing system “infrastructure” and its big user base with religious prophets fossilized to film era gives huge marketing leverage to cover lack of innovation/transformation to digital age system.

      But that film era’s legacy system limits innovations and changes to new tech.
      35mm was only smallest format in which film performed well enough for most uses. With digital tech APS-C format (which is also based to film era standard) has greatly exceeded 35mm film’s performance making it similar de facto standard what 35mm film was. But they haven’t even made that as main focus of their systems.
      And introducing new digital age format/system designed from today’s technical perspective instead of analog era’s film is even harder because that would allow fair chance for other systems to be chosen by user. (remember what Canon said about G1X’s sensor format/size)

      Sure Canon and Nikon still have chances to extend their duopoly and that’s where these “Every mirrorless must be unergonomically small controlless P&S” people help them.
      If mirrorless doesn’t offer options with same level of controls and ergonomics DSLRs will keep selling because high end users wanting proper controls and ergonomics will keep giving DSLRs that above P&S high end mental image in the eye of masses.

  • Franky S

    The GH3 looks like a beast. I’ve already pre-sold the E-M5 to my sister. Nothing wrong with it but I need quality video. I’ve also just picked up a Galaxy Note II which will pair nicely with the GH3’s wifi app. Can’t wait!

  • st3v4nt

    Most news about m4/3 review nowadays are about how amazing the picture or video quality because the reviewer surprise such good quality can happen from such ‘compact’ size camera and instantly got negative comment from 43 rumors reader who don’t buy it or so so comment from the reviewer who apparently not that impressed by the result and instantly got negative comment from 43 rumors reader who support 4/3 format actively.

  • Anonymous

    GH3 users should watch their backs when hauling this backbreaking monstrosity DinoSLaur

  • Paul Alexander

    Still negotiating with Panasonic for a review test unit. Not surprisingly, I’m the last guy that gets to write the reviews as I hold no punches.
    Off the cuff, this is what I have to say about the GH3 vs full size sensor ‘mirrored’ DSLR’s
    1) Mirrors are DEAD. I’m amazed they have persisted this long and I am a LONG time pro shooter. Nikon/Canon’s failure to understand that the Mirror no longer offers visualization redundancy suggest that the mirror has attained ‘cult’ status and failing to abandon it will cause the big boys to pay a lot to catch up to mirror-less paradigms in the next 3 years.
    2) Yes, the GH2 was an amazing value for the money with respect to video production capabilities, features and film making possibilities. The GH3 however, starts to edge into dubious value for the money territory, unless Panasonic resolves all outstanding gripes* in the final shipping version or shortly thereafter release of a first run.
    3) The GH3 adheres to the hybrid AMATEUR market in a legacy ‘Leica’ form-factor. Panasonic are aware that there’s pent up demand within the Pro and semi-pro markets for a relatively compact hybrid of the ‘Hasselblad’ style form factor*2
    3) If Panasonic, with it’s clear edge in video for Pros, from Broadcast Studio cameras right down to the AF100 doesn’t plant this critical new stake in the ground, Nikon/Canon or Olympus will undoubtedly take it.
    2013 should be an incredible year for the breakthrough from Leica to Hasselblad form factors and yes… FORGET THE MIRRORS guys. We’re not powdering our noses are we? ;)

    *Hobbled 4:2:0 color space, Horrendous orange color bias, lack of focus peaking setting to mention but a few.
    *2 Witness a recent Panasonic job posting for an executive to lead ‘innovations’ in the pro division.

  • filmifilmeer

    NICE!
    So if canon begins to build a fullsensor nonemirror sys
    -one only for filming
    -one only for fotographs( with lack of filming but with it)
    FILMMODEL::
    – only 12 megapixi fullsensorchip with
    -+-15 f-stops
    -and they use 2013 digi 7++ chips and so on
    -first time global shutter
    -4:2:2
    -highes bitrate
    -10bit
    -24/25/30/50/60 p ( maybe 100/120 later)
    -new bodydesign ( past c100)

    and the other cam makes only PHOTOS::
    -so guess wahts in there..

    means also the beginning of a smaler and smart protuctline
    and not intercrossing marketing bla bla bla..
    ( that is for sheeps and only 3 braincellers)

    and this will be seen by al of them
    panasonic sonny olly canon nikon and some new

    so don`t think so small ( think small would be fine for
    i-diot products of this one fruit-builder???)

    but something will be a 3000 $$$ base-house.
    and on other side canon does not produce something
    like a c500/300 because nobody buys one…

    if they look out of window.
    if not….. r.i.p

    so pauses is overrrr back to ALEXXA… a porsche is a porsche

  • hobartz

    and 28 days later would be produced witha EM-5

    and you…all? hm???

    WHAT????

  • hiplnsdrftr

    well, Canon has released 2 cameras (that definitely do not infringe upon their dSLR sales) to essentially test the market/demand/their customers interest etc.

    The only reason I continue to use and buy Canon products is because they are for my work (and I own enough lenses pointless to switch).

    For personal use I’ve abandoned Canon’s G and S line and am sticking with a Panasonic GF1 until something significantly better (and of similar size/form) is available.

    • QBNY

      Get a GX1. It’s like the “Spiritual Successor” to the GF1.

      Just picked one up and I really like it. You can’t beat the price, either.

      I think Canon will compete by providing a smaller, full frame DSLR. I had my mind set on the GH3, but I’m leaning towards the Canon 6D. If they go even smaller, they will become a big threat to M43rds.

  • Der Spiegel is now doing camera reviews?

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