Samyang: “more Micro Four Thirds lenses are planned”.

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Image courtesy Photozone.

Samyang is one of this small companies that does an incredible good job with lenses. Most of the times their lenses have the right specs for what they need to do. They are also cheap (in terms of price) and absolute of good quality. As you know the first lens they released for the m43 system is the Samyang/Rokinon 7.5mm fisheye lens (Click here to see it on eBay). The lens is pretty compact and Klaus from Photozone (Click here) said the lens is Highly Recommended! And Klaus is really severe in his Judgement! I am eagerly waiting to see what’s coming next from them. Samyang confirmed at Techradar that “more Micro Four Thirds lenses were planned“. There are no specs yet about the possible next lenses but I hope it will be some kind of fast prime and pancake lens. Something in the category of the 20mm f/1.7 lens would be my choice 🙂

One more thing: Samyang is the only company the made lenses for the Four Thirds system during the last three years! The amazing Samyang/Rokinon 24mm f/1.4 lens (here on eBay) is an example!

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  • Brod1er

    Bring it on. 10mm f4. Very Small and light please.

    • _M_

      +1

    • Frank

      +1

      • Pickman

        +1 !!

    • rrr_hhh

      A 12 mm wouldbe OK for me, but make it a shift lens for architecture shooting. If the lens shift, you don’t need it to be as wide as with non shifting lens. I don’t need one more pancake, there are enough on the market, including cheap lenses like the 14mm Panasonic, or the 17mm Olympus.

    • Anonymous

      Well gee, give me a 25mm super multicoated f/.50 with regular focusing ring and additional fine-tune worm-drive focusing ring. Also I would like it to implement focus peaking on any camera that it is attached to. Priced under $59.99, please.

    • pfeddeh

      +1
      9 or 10mm f2.8 would be OK too.

    • aik

      +1
      but it needs a distortion correction…data is digital saved in the lenses on m4/3. Maybe to difficult to include this into a olym/pana system. We want a open-system..and the firmwares to

    • +1

      Size is less important to me. Would like it to be around $300. The lens could even be fixed aperture if that makes it less expensive. Good luck, Samyung

  • Yun

    Tele prime lens please !
    Such as 75mm ( 150mm ) F1.8 or 24mm F0.95 . A remake of 20mm F1.7 is a good idea ! There are the lenses require very much in market . I would remind Samyang , to come up something competitive & impress otherwise you cannot survive even in a small m4/3 world .

    • Brod1er

      RE 75 f4: I think Oly have exactly this lens coming out and with AF.

    • bli

      Why do several on this thread wish Samyang to duplicate existing or announced lenses from Panasonic and Olympus? Wouldn’t it be better with something that currently doesn’t exist?

      Ok — to compete, they need to stand out!:
      * something that currently does not exist, or
      * cheaper, or
      * better optically/aperture wise, or
      * smaller/lighter, or
      * weather sealed

      If not — not interested.

      • nobody

        +1.

        It doesn’t make any sense if Samyang would replicate lenses that are already available from other manufacturers.

      • rrr_hhh

        Plus one; I’d add to your list :

        Or a feature that doesn’t exist in any mft lenses now, like shift on a wide angle.

      • pfeddeh

        +1

    • I don’t think Samyang should remake the 20mm f/1.7 – Panasonic should make a mk2. Faster autofocus, more “mechanical” i.e. direct feel focus ring with function button on lens (hold to give focus ring alternative function e.g. aperture or custom). With a higher quality finish in black or current colour.

  • >50mm macro lens F2.2 or F2.5 please! We only have the expensive 45mm Leica right now…

    • Brod1er

      Good call as MF isn’t a limitation for macro. But surely there is little point making it so fast? A smaller f4 would be fine and could be made much smaller.

    • Mr. Reeee

      There are lots of excellent used macro lenses available for very good prices! Autofocus is unnecessary for macro shooting.
      Go to http://www.KEH.com.

      I picked up a Nikon 105mm f2.8 AI-S lens for $300 recently in EX condition. Fantastic lens and a focal length we’ll probably never see in a native M4/3 lens! It’s available from Nikon as a special order for around $800.

      • BLI

        Since I already own this lens… (but haven’t used it much), what adapter do you use? (Can I change the aperture from the camera?)

  • Khµfµ

    7mm f2.8 UWA would be awesome alternative to panasonic 7-14mm

    • Frank

      +1 too

    • pitrak

      Exactly! A UWA prime would rock. Doesn’t have to be faster than the 7-14, as long as it’s a lot cheaper. If the 2.8 costs about as much as the f4 zoom, I don’t think they’ll sell much.

    • Digifan

      @Khufu,
      You DO know the samyang is 7,5mm (15 in 35mm speak) and F3.5, So it allready IS a great alternative to the Panasonic.
      What’s the point in the 0.5mm less. I’d rather they’d make a completely non exsisting lens like a 150mm F3.5 tele, etc.etc.

      • Frank

        But the 7,5mm is a Fisheye …

        • Khµfµ

          Exactly… I dont want a fisheye
          An ultrawide prime, 7mm f2.8 if possible under 600$ would be perfect

        • Digifan

          Ok I didn’t get that. You’re rugby then.

          • Digifan

            Darned mobile autocorrect

        • Digifan

          Ok I didn’t get that. You’re right then.

    • +1

      I don’t need an ultrawide zoom, a prime is just fine. I’d be happy with either a 7mm, 8mm, or 9mm.

    • +1

  • Gianluca

    I wish 85mm f1,4 like they do for dslr, smaller and lighter…

    • I dont think it can be much smaller, just look at the size of the upcoming 75 mm, and thats 1.8 “only”

  • jorge

    Very good, Samyang! I enjoy your 7,5mm pretty much. Please convert your FF-line into the small size of MFT. Mount: A solution like Kenko-Tokinas Data-Transfer for the 6,3 300mm would be fine. I got some bad shots – I forgot to adjust the IS. I use different primes. When the IS thinks, there is an 500mm mounted, the pictures of an 7,5mm look crazy. And: please join the MFT-group – like Sigma, Tamron, etc.

  • Eric

    I want lenses specifically designed for M43. From all third parts, for both 43 and M43, the only one is the FE 7.5mm. A compact and sharp lens. All other are too bulky because not designed for M43.

    And I would appreciate if Samyang (or other MF lenses) include a chip so informations on the lens can be stored in the EXIFS.

  • Jesper

    new lenses with AF, that’s all I ask.

    • Agent00soul

      Me too. In this day and age, I don’t think I will buy a new lens without AF. The fisheye may be the only exception.

    • Geoff

      I don’t think you will get AF from Samyang, they seem to be concentrating on good value quality material, AF would only price them out of the marketplace.

      • Eric

        +1. AF = electronic -> high development cost & low marginal cost at production. Quite the opposite of Samyang business model. That’s also why they are interesting at small focal length. f=150 mm without AF will not be useful.

  • Braun

    I love shooting interior & architecture. It would be really nice if Samyang has a plan to release Tilt/shift lens for M4/3. T/S lens of FF camera is too expensive for me.

    • rrr_hhh

      Plus one, I want shift lenses too, for the same reason. Tilt is not a must for architecture, without it the lens could be easier to keep smaller, but I’d like the possibility to change the shift direction from horizontal to vertical.

      • Geoff

        Now this is an interesting point, bearing in mind the expense of a shift lens is in the engineering and tight tolerances required to ensure a light tight barrel. Out of interest does anyone have any experience of the shift adaptors that are available and if so what have they discovered regards best lens to use?

        • rrr_hhh

          I didn’t get one : the problem is once à legacy lens is adapted, it becomes twice as long, aka useless for architecture. A 15 or 16m becomes over 30mm equivalent. They would be better on an APSC sensor, but I don’t know how they perform due to the shorter register. Plus these FF ultra wide angle lenses are quite big and heavy on an mft camera.

          I’d be interested if someone has experimented with them.

  • ght

    The most recent Samyang lenses are pretty expensive IMO. That 85mm 1.4 was a great deal but their prices really started going up after that.

    • bilgy_no1

      7.5mm Fish-eye is not expensive at all. Compare it to the price of the Lumix 8mm, and consider that MF is not a big issue on that focal length.

  • rrr_hhh

    Hey !!!

    They seem to be rather focused on the wide angle niche. If only they could make a 12 mm shift lens ! I’d love that and buy one immediately !

    • Agent00soul

      Yeah, a TS lens at a decent price would be very tempting. Even without AF…

      • rrr_hhh

        The Canon TSE lenses are manual focusing too. I don’t know for other brands, but I think it would be the same.

        • All PC lenses are MF. Coupling AF motors though the tilt and/or shift linkages is somewhat problematic, although likely less so for a purely electronic linkage like 4/3’s. However, serious users of PC lenses likely are ok with MF only, as critical focus is so important in architecture.

  • ght

    Off topic but I wonder if that recent Olympus patent about an updated 17mm is a sign we might see it as an optional kit lens with the next batch of Pens- hopefully even the EPM-2. Even if they don’t improve the aperture (which will be a bummer) they will at least probably make it quieter with faster autofocus and more suitable for video. A new Pen with five axis IS announced in June with version 2 of the 17mm as an optional kit lens?

  • Jon S

    I’ve used their 85mm lens on APSC and very impressive it is too.

    In their shoes, I think I’d:

    (1) build a fast c17.5mm lens with better IQ than the current mZuiko. Doesn’t have to be a pancake, but a reasonably compact high performing equivalent of the old 35mm wide angle lens would be great. With appropriate markings on the lens barrel, it’s an ideal focal length for hyperfocal focussing too.

    (2) produce a fast short telephoto lens. Something like a 67.5mm/1.8 would be nice (the equivalent of a fast 135mm on full frame) although something like f2.5 would be OK for me if it keeps down the bulk and cost.

  • Ilikesmallcameras

    Samyang has no AF. Therefore it should be lenses which are friendly for manual focus, where AF is not necessary or where AF doesn’t exist.
    For example:
    – fish eye (Samyang 7,5mm, very good optically)
    – ultra wide lens – there are 2 zooms from Pana & Oly, but there is no small UWA prime (eg. 7mm)
    – tilt-shift – small, dedicated only for m43 (UWA, wide, standard)
    – mirror-lens (Tokina made 300mm, maybe 500mm will be better)
    – macro lens (cheaper, longer than 45mm from Panas and 60mm from Oly), for macro only it could be f/3.5 or f/4 – doesn’t matter – important is optical quality and price
    – teleconventer – small, dedicated only for m43

    It should be dedicated for m43. Sigma’s way – lenses for APS with m43 mount – is wrong.

  • leendert

    90mm 1:1 Macro?

    • Digifan

      That one (90mm Macro) I want from Tamron with AF.
      or
      If MF then the “bokina”(Tokina) 90mm.

  • suggestion.

    90mm 1:1 macro f/3.5, or darker
    with aperture ring
    optically good and cheap

    maybe any very long (and cheap) tele, like 500mm or longer (dark – eg. f/5.6 or f/6.3 – but cheap), or something for digiscoping

    moreover, Samyang should add any electronic pins to give information about focal length for body (usefull for IS in body)

  • Guy McLoughlin

    The M4/3 format is missing fast wide prime lenses…

    9.0mm f/2.0
    12.0mm f/1.4
    14.0mm f/1.4
    17.5mm f/1.4

    There are lots of tele options, but very few fast wide angle lenses to choose from.

    • Duchemin

      What about the Voigtländer 17.5 0.95?

      • gl

        +1 from me for a fast wide Panny style pancake (10-12mm). Affordable tilt (shift) would be interesting too.

        But can you even make a pancake without AF? If not I’m looking at you, Panny.

      • Guy McLoughlin

        There is always room for competition. I would like to see Samyang come out with a full line of M4/3 lenses, instead of just a couple of lenses here and there.

        I own the Voightlander 25mm f/0.95 which is a great lens, but I want to see more tests with the 17.5mm f/0.95. Some of the images from the 17.5mm prototype lens weren’t that good. ( i.e. soft and flare prone )

  • B. Thominet

    yes, micro 4/3 need more pancakes…
    there are many, yet, but all are in a short range

    is it possible to make 10mm or 75mm pancakes with good quality?

  • Drazick

    I hope they will being AF to the table…

  • MP Burke

    As others have said, interesting niche lenses, suitable for MF use, would include a macro (75-90mm) and a 12mm perspective control lens. I always found it a bit strange that Olympus had pretensions of the “professional” quality of the 4/3 slr system, yet never made a PC lens, while the Nikon and Canon 35mm ranges incorporate 3 PC lenses. People do use these lenses and there is some virtue in giving customers what they want, rather than what you think they ought to have.
    A superwide (9-10mm) would seem like an obvious MF lens, but it would have to be pretty cheap and small, or otherwise people would choose the M-Zuiko 9-18mm.
    If they could a make an ultrawide lens of 6mm focal length, this could appeal to some people who already have one of the wide zooms.

  • TheEye

    How about a 9 mm super-wide angle (no fish)? Don’t need AF for that.

  • My wish is a m4/3 30mm/f:2 🙂

  • Fabs

    Samyang sell a sharp and fast ultrawide 14mm for FF. It has the needed coverage to become a great tilt-shift.

  • no_sense_without_AF

    there will be no AF
    it is pointless to produce lenses between 12mm and 200mm
    there is competition form Panasonic and Olympus and lenses with AF

    Rationally is produce lenses without AF such as:
    – tilt / shift
    – two types of fisheye
    – macro (but not for portrait)
    – specific macro like Canon MP-E 65mm 1-5x macro
    – equipment for digiscoping

    • Guy McLoughlin

      …And video production. Automatic anything is a bad idea for video work.

      • gl

        AF is very useful for video work to quickly focus the shot before the take. I actually shoot 3D video with two GH2 bodies and AF is even more useful there, as it’s so much faster and less error prone (together with touch to select the same focus point) than manually matching two bodies.

  • Anonymous

    7/2.0

  • ProShooter

    No AF no Buy!

  • M

    MFT Ultra wide angle < 10mm MF and in camera distorsion correction

  • Nardberr

    What about anamorphic lens?

  • I have tested the Samyang 7.5mm fisheye, and found it to be very good. My review here:

    http://m43photo.blogspot.com/2012/02/samyang-75mm-f35-fisheye-lens-review.html

  • Gabriel

    After looking at comments, all we need is a 7~20 F1.4 tilt shit lense for under 500$. Good luck for that Samyang 🙂

  • SteB

    Of course I’d like to see Samyang make a macro lens. As others have pointed out, MF is no disadvantage at all for macro photography, and I and most other experienced macro photographers rarely use it.

    There is scope for designing a new type of macro lens that would suit modern macro photographers, and which no one currently makes. Modern macro photographers tackle much smaller subjects than in the past, as the instant preview of digital and a lack of film costs make this practically much easier.

    The essential problem with modern macro lenses is that either the magnification ends at 1:1, or in the case of the one macro lens that goes beyond 1:1 without attachments, the Canon MP-E 65mm f2.8 1-5x lens, it starts at 1:1. To fill the frame with a small fly, you often need greater than 1:1 even on m4/3. Yet if you put attachments on to get this, you lose the ability to focus on larger things like butterflies. It is not ideal in the field to keep adding and taking things off. Sensor debris is a real problem at higher magnification. The small effective aperture means that you see every little bit of sensor dust, you never normally see. When using the Canon MP-E 65mm, the first thing I have to do is to spot out all the dust marks.

    The ideal lens for the modern macro photographer would start in the region which are the closest focus of a normal lens, say around 1:4 or maybe 1:5. In other words wide enough to frame a large butterfly, dragonfly, flower or other subject. Then to go to about 2-3x life size. It would obviously be technically difficult to cover too wide a range. However, extra magnification could be achieved by a matched close-up lens. It is preferrable that you attach something to the end of the lens, rather than having to keep taking off the lens, and getting dust on the sensor.

    In addition it would be best if the end of lens was conical without a big wide filter thread at the end. This is because the big end of macro lenses tends to shade the subject and make lighting difficult. So I would put the filter thread further back. Maybe making a removable end adapter for normal filters. The front element of many macro lenses is very small, and there is no need for a fat front to the end of the lens.

    It would be easy to make such a lens adaptable for a wide variety of fittings, both DSLR and mirrorless. Coverage is not a problem for macro lenses as usually when the magnification increases, it creates a larger image circle. So macro lenses designed for 35mm film, can actually cover much larger formats when extended.

    Such a lens would have a huge potential market. Nikon have no macro lens that natively goes beyond 1:1 and only Canon has one. It would not only appeal to those photographing insects and flowers, but medical and technical macro photographers who also photograph subjects over this range. There is potentially a very big market for a well designed and integrated macro lens.

    One of the problems with macro photography gear as most specialist macro photographers will tell you, is that it is not designed by those with much experience of macro photography. This is why macro photographers are probably the most innovative group of photographers when it comes to designing and modifying the equipment they use. Unlike most other types of photography equipment, which is suitable for use straight out of the box, most macro photography equipment needs to be customized or modified.

    • pdc

      For technical/medical macro at higher magnifications, you can easily set
      up bellows and an old enlarger lens, on a discarded enlarger stand. I have a couple of rigs set up this way, and they are very effective. I use a Nikon 55/2.8 MicroP for outdoors macro work, although I have found the close-focusing Nokton 25/0.95 quite useful as well. A less expensive but optically high quality macro from Samyang would be welcome, if it comes in significantly smaller than the Nikkor. 60-75mm would be a good focal length, and f3.5 or faster should do the trick, as long it is flat field focusing (a copy lens design).

      • SteB

        Yes I’m aware of the bellows enlarger lens options. If no one brings out a good electronic Canon EF to m4/3 adapter so I can use my Canon MP-E 65mm on m4/3 I might use this – but with a focusing helicoid instead of a bellows. Although to be honest I can’t see many universities, hospitals, etc, choosing this approach when lenses like the Canon MP-E 65mm are available.

        The biggest bugbear in macro photography is this completely arbitrary 1:1 divide. Where currently there is no macro lens that can bridge this gap. It is ridiculous because most macro or close-up photographer photographing things at greater than 1:1 are bound to want to take some shots at less than 1:1, and vica versa.

        Most close-up/macro photography is in the region of about 1:6 to 3.5:1. Less magnification than this is more in the normal range, and greater than this is more specialist. It should be technologically possible to design a lens to cover most of the more commonly used close-up and macro range, rather than insist on having lenses who’s magnification range ends at, or begins at 1:1.

  • V4Vendetta

    14mm f1.6
    35mm f1.8
    24mm f1.8

  • JL

    Why are you all crying for lenses we’ll already have as an option, or will soon have?

    About only exception the tilt/sift lenses… my vote for that. A wide TS (or two), about 12 – 14 – 17mm would be very nice… If I quess right, there will be a 24mm TS lens soon available.

    Even non-TS compact 14mm or 17mm f2 or faster would be fine – not slower.

    But also a longish tele from 300 to 500mm F4-5.6, good quality but MF and as light as possible without IQ sacrafice… Samyang has proved they can make good quality optics, but the mirror lenses seem to be older design, and, well, mirror lenses… If there was a high quality, reasonable priced 400mm f5.6 (or f4) lens available, I would buy it instantly. Even better if it could be an AF version.

  • Granis

    What I would like and rarely have seen requested is an ultra compact lens. When I bought in to the the m43 systems the reason was that it was small enough that I could almost always carry the camera with me. Yet you still have a wide range of larger lenses and accessories to bring when you can afford to pack heavier. Like the Samyang 85mm/1.4 which I have and really enjoy bringing to shoot with when I can.

    I started with the E-PL1 and the 17mm oly pancake lens. This was a great combo in portability and has enabled me to take pictures where I otherwise only would have wanted to bring a compact point-and-shoot camera. Now I have switched to the E-PM1 which is a really nice step forward in portability, but it’s still not completely there yet because of the thickness of the lens.

    So what I would like to see is a really flat pancake lens, which does not extend from the camera more than 10-12mm. The weight is not that important, with such small size it will not be too heavy. It should be as fast as possible while still keeping the size below the limit. A focal length of 12mm or 14mm makes it a good all round lens for me (17mm would be ok, but I prefer it to be a little wider). The image quality does not have to be on par with the larger lenses of course, the most important thing here is the size, but it should at least be a clear step up compared to compact point and shoots, I’m not looking for something like a pinhole or toy lens. Do you think a lens like this would be possible to make?

    • rrr_hhh

      Did you try the Panasonic 14mm. It is the smallest of all pancakes !

      • Granis

        No, but the difference in size (thickness which is my main concern) compared to the 17mm is only 1 mm so the difference is almost negligible. It’s a little faster and has a better focal length for me though, but again the difference so far has been too small for me to justify buying it.

  • macrofun

    not expensive macro lens with good quality, can be f/3.5, f/4 – doesen’t matter

    portreit lens we can buy from Oly (45/1.8, 75/1.8) but I don’t want to replace this by 60/2.8 macro – it will be too expensive
    I prefer fast f/1.8 for portrait and cheap macro (f/4, no AF) for macro work only, than to spend $ for additional 60/2.8 with similar focal length to 45 or 75

  • snowflake

    I have the samyang 7.5 lens and contrary to the rave reviews others have made about the lens, I have been disappointed.

    1. The setting for infinity has to be at 0.4 feet or 0,15 meters. This is not even close. I ruined my first set of night pictures assuming that an infinity setting would be ok.

    2. Contrary to what others have said about the sharpness of the lens, I have found objects off of center to be much blurrier than the center. The edges are also much blurrier compared to the Panasonic 7 –14 mm lens. (This is probably the result from the focous being so far off on my lens, some kind of assembly error. super wide angle lenes are very sensitive to assembly tolerances).

    3. I tried to send an email to the company about the issue and there is no contact. (I also contacted the retailer (Roxsen ) from ebay about this and have had no response.

    I am not the only person with the infinity focus being so far off, (Sorry, I haven’t be able to find the blog that reviewed a while ago that made me aware that I am not the only one with the issue.)

    Do not count on any customer support. (If there is anyone that has a working email address for samyang I would appreciate it).

    Does anyone else have the lens with the same issue?

    Thanks,

    • djmdgk

      @ snowflake: There have been numerous reports on that focus issue indeed. It’s a shame that Samyang doesn’t reply to inquiries. Actually this seems to be relatively easy to fix by adjusting the flange focal distance. If you understand german, you might try this: http://www.systemkamera-forum.de/micro-four-thirds-fourthirds-objektive/28249-samyang-u-walimex-7-5-3-5-mft-korrektur-der-unendlich-einstellung.html

      I didn’t have that problem myself so either I was lucky or Samyang has meanwhile fixed this.

      • snowflake

        Thank you djmdgk

        I went to the web site you recommended. through google translate I was able to get enough information to fix the lens.

        It turned out to be a very easy fix.

        Rather than adjust the shims that are under the lens, which is what was done at the web site, all I had to do was tighten, or screw in the inner lens. Once I screwed it in to where the lens stopped, (almost 1 full turn from where it was), I was very near the infinity setting for a distant object. I backed the inner lens 1/8th of a turn from full in to get it just right. I put marks on the lens and collar to help with the adjustments.

        The focous of the lens in general is much better now. I do not know which way would give the optimal performace, adjusting the lens or shim adjustment but I am much happier now.

        (Sorry for the delay in responding, I just now had the time to check up on previous post. Hope you see my “thank you” eventually).

  • djmdgk

    Me too. A fast prime, please Samyang! A 12mm f/2.0 or indeed something like the 20mm f/1.7. Or both! 🙂 I love the purely manual operation of the fisheye. In many situations this is even superior to motor-only focus because of the difficulty of exactly reproducing the focus using focus by wire.

    A rock solid, fast, purely manual prime and the E-M5 would make a very nice combo (not only!) for astrophotography!

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