Panasonic GF1 and Olympus E-PL1 vs Sony NEX-5 (Size comparison)

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I guess Sony managed to keep the Sony NEX body incredible small. The “problem” is that the lenses are bigger.
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  • Agent00soul

    Strange. The camera looks totally different, compared to the one in the post below. Are those the NEX 3 and the NEX 5 or are they mock-ups?

  • Emil Ule

    No IS, No Minolta hot-shoe, No natural colour, poor lens. Sorry Sony, nice try.

  • http://youdidntdidyou.com/Photography_Blog/ YouDidntDidYou

    Their tiltable screen is a waste of time it’s not very flexible you won’t be ble to do overhead shots for crowds etc or like this http://www.flickr.com/photos/youdidntdidyou/3382323593/ it’s not suitable for waist level shoooting, Olympus and Panasonic screens you flip it out then face it up and then rest the screen on your wrist providing stability ,a more correct horizon and less fatigue for holding that position. ALso the screen doesn’t turn back on it self so protect it from scratches etc.

    No slow shutter speed so no zoom bursts eg http://www.flickr.com/photos/youdidntdidyou/2731118771/ or intentional motion blur eg http://www.flickr.com/photos/youdidntdidyou/2653884488/ or radial camera blur eg http://www.flickr.com/photos/youdidntdidyou/3856868826/

    920k screen is a waste of money and battery life..

    Proprietary connectors for flash…they don’t learn.

    “Virtual mode dial flys past target” quickly frustrating.

    Panaromic mode has lots of artefacts….useless.

    Barrel distortion and pin cushion…this camera will frustrate everyone!

  • http://www.hogbergphotography.com Danonino

    OMG OMG OMG OMG.. Sorry, but how can m43 ever compete with that? Shit.. I want it, want it WANT IT!!!

  • http://www.hogbergphotography.com Danonino

    M43 HAS TO BECOME THE SMALLER ALTERNATIVE! I relly hope Olympus and Panasonic can understand that now. They can never compete with image quality, due to the small sensor.

  • sushistand

    Hilarious comments coming from here. Sorry, but this camera is a great competitor to m43 – anyone denying this is a suffering a bit of camera envy.

    Cheaper than the EPL-1. 920k screen that is tiltable, an APS-C sensor bigger than 4/3.

    For pros like me lugging a full frame D700, 14-24 2.8, 24-70 2.8, and a 70-200 2.8 VRII lens, what we all want is the smallest interchangable camera possible, with the biggest sensor for a thin dof and a pancake lens. (just like the old rangefinder days) This beast beats the EP-2/GF-1/EPL1. Cheaper than the EPL-1. 920k screen that is tiltable, an APS-C sensor bigger than 4/3. Only thing missing is a great EVF like the the EP2 but this thing has a 920K screen so it might just be even better.

    Emil ue:

    Uhh yeah it’s a pretty good try from Sony. Yeah, yeah in body IS is nice, but this thing has better iso performance than the Nikon D5000 (Hello? essentially a better D300 sensor) so I don’t even really need in body IS. Think high shutter speed?

    No minolta hot shoe? I don’t need a real flash with a rangefinder type of camera. If I want a real camera to do real work I’ll take out my D700 with it’s SB900 and 3 off camera SB600s via CLS. Who the hell wants a real flash on this level of a camera. Maybe amateur’s without any other system? but even then they wouldnt know how to use real flash controls so your point is moot.

    No natural colour? Okay yeah your a jpeg noob.

    Poor lens? Umm looks pretty well built to me.

    youdidntdidyou:

    poor screen with a waste of money 920k resolution? yeah right coming from someone with a panasonic L10 (LOL) that has what? 210k resolution? Have a look at Nikon’s 920 screens and try to go back to 210k screens and then try spin your mouth. waste of money? it’s cheaper then a freaking EP-L1 wtf are you talking about?

    where does it say that there is no slow shutter speed? Shutter Speed: 30 to 1/4000 second. Flash sync: 1/160 sec. uhh yeah you have a form of camera envy your not even checking the camera specs.

    propriety camera flash? read the flash comment above. who needs a real flash on a compact rangefinder

    virtual mode dial: you havent even tried it yet.

    artifacts for panoramic mode: useless, but better than not having it.

    barrel distortion and pin cushion: automatically fixed in lightroom – your a noob

  • AirShaker

    Cons : the standard lens combo already seems not very well balanced
    Pros : tiltable lcd, 24mm equivalent combo in a smaller package than anything that exist in m43, maybe the promise of higher DR and ISO sensitivity

  • fuujin

    NO MANUAL CONTROLS FOR VIDEO :G

  • Jose

    Nice try Sony? I would be ashamed to be at Panoly right now. A bigger sensor camera so small makes m4/3 look like 4/3 always did: oversized. Yes, lenses are bigger, but not that much (for instance that 16mm 2.8 is no bigger than Panoly’s primes but is wider -something I really missed-). And for people like me that don’t care about zooms, the Sony is the winner.

    Proprietary hot shoe? Nothing stops them releasing a camera with a proper hot shoe in the future. Right now they include a flash with the camera, one that seems to not need batteries (takes the power from the camera itself). Brilliant if you ask me.

    920K screen a waste? Oh, please, try one. Those screens are one of the best things to happen to digital cameras in years. And being tiltable is another waste? Like the tiltable LCD in the GF1? Or the E-PL1? Well, being so small in depth, I don’t mind them adding this feature even if limited.

    I love Olympus cameras the best but I’m not a fanboy. For their intro into the EVIL world these Sony cameras are brilliant and put to shame current m4/3 cameras like the E-P1, E-PL1 and GF1. Which is good in the end because this will send a bold message to Panoly and we can hope for better products.

    Good move Sony. If nothing is wrong with the image quality -and I don’t see why it should be- you can count me in for one with the prime as my new carry-always-with-me kit (I’m sorry Olympus but I NEED 24mm, call me when you release a fast 12mm). And this will be my first Sony product in 11 years or so (the last one was a MiniDisc).

    Oh, and let’s see what Canon and Nikon bring. Remember: 4/3 lenses were smaller, but 4/3 cameras were seem oversized for their sensor. If Panoly don’t bring to the market smaller m4/3 cameras soon, you know what will happen. Again.

  • Alfons

    Guys, try to remember that many m4/3 cameras have a flash and IS stuffed inside. Sony is not truly smaller.

    Actually I would like to see a bit bigger bodies. Those are better to grip :)

    Great thing about Sony’s releases is that m4/3 prices are going to drop.

  • Jack

    If you look at the GF1 with the 20mm lens, and then look at the 17mm pancake compared to the Sony pancake, either of the comparison is clearly not to scale, but anyway, just my 2 cents

    From the look of it. The body seems to be smaller. Picture quality looks to be and should be better in high ISO, though Sony lack the IBIS, LCD is better, which is good. Though as a user of GH1 and E-P2, I never really notice the difference in the screen quality. Still yet to see Sony’s EVF.

    Would love to have better better ISO and DR from the better sensor, it’s a big draw for the same price I suppose. Though the Zoom lens look awkward on the thin body. They can attach the same lens on a sheet of metal and a grip but I would still feel the camera is big …… the huge lens doesn’t seems to cut it.

    System-wise, in the long term, the size of the camera body would only get smaller when the technology improve. However, the lens does not get any smaller with the same sensor size. And Sony will never have the IBIS to be used with legacy lens. I don’t know how much of a difference would it make between having Zeiss or Leica brand on the high end lens, but certainly there would be a wider offering of lenses from 2 company instead of one.

  • Jose

    From the dpreview.com preview:

    – Yes, the flash is included and takes the power from the camera. And you can bounce it (unlike the small external Olympus flash -I never understood why they made it fixed). Not perfect, but welcomed.

    – Flange back distance seems to be 18 mm, making it the smaller in the market (m4/3 is 20mm). This is really great. You could almost put m4/3 lenses.

    – There are two screw-on adapters for the 16mm lens (24mm equiv.), for 20mm wide and 16mm fish-eye (equiv.).

    Olympus, your turn. First: a damn 12mm lens (24mm equiv.).

  • Bu

    First impressions, Sony have done an excellent job. Sure the lenses are a little bigger, but the better tiltable screen, sweep panorama, low light shooting (sure its not perfect but those six shots in a row do come in handy). What Sony have done is upped the game, Panasonic and Olympus now have to use more of that creativity which exists but has perhaps been hindered by some managers who prefer budgets to delivering a good product.

    This isn’t to say that the EP1 was not ground breaking, in fact, kudos to Olympus for getting the ball rolling in such a wonderful way.

    I really do hope the EP5 is a decent mft and not a ft device. That or the next PEN will have to be extremely attractive. As a user of the EP1 from it’s launch, I hope the Olympus continue to give me a good reason to stay with their product.

  • Jack

    In the dpreview picture of the 18-200 with NEX 5, the camera look ridiculously imbalance, you can’t even balance the camera on the table

  • rUY

    Severe chromatic Abberation and degrade of cornor sharpness way over an average APSC Dslr quality. If that is a DC I could take it though. but……have to say sorry to Sony.

  • bilgy_no1

    @ Jose: Olympus have a 12mm (probably pancake) on their roadmap for release in spring next year. Would be nice to see it sooner…

    These cameras are very smartly designed. By avoiding straight lines (e.g. between the lens mount and the rest of the body), Sony succeeds in making the cameras smaller and lighter. They also have some very impressive specs in certain areas (lcd e.g.).

    In other areas (such as usability, lens line-up) this system still has to prove itself.

    First samples on Imaging Resource look good, but the E-P1 also stands out positively in their comparison (NEX5, G2, E-P1, NX10, 500D, D5000). So not sure if sensor size is really the differentiator.

    Olympus and Panasonic will be working on smaller and lighter cameras as we speak. Panasonic already said this yesterday.

  • Agent00soul

    To me it’s clear that the sole design goal of these cameras was to be able to claim smallest exchangeable lens camera in the world.
    Never mind ergonomics and usability. And never mind that with lens the camera will hardly be more pocketable than the E-PL1 (it’s actually larger with the zoom lenses). And never mind that the only compact lens (the 16 mm prime) has too short focal length to be useful as a standard lens.
    A camera body can be TOO small to hold and the lack of buttons and thumbwheel is worrisome. Sure it has a touch screen but greasy fingerprints on the screen has never been considered a feature.

  • Miroslav

    For all the talk of small dimensions, Sony has not delivered much. Put a NEX with flash next to E-PL1 and you’ll see that it is a bit higher and as wide. It is shallower, because lens mount is ( smartly ) recessed, but larger APS-C lenses negate that, and with lens it is shorter only if a pancake is put on both cameras. That said, it’s small enough for its capabilities and should serve as a guide to m4/3 manufacturers on how much smaller their bodies should be.

  • bilgy_no1

    @ Agent00soul

    It does NOT have a touch screen, as far as all the previews go.

  • AirShaker

    This design does not only make them the smallest exchangeable lens camera in the world, it also allows a deeper grip while maintaining a thin profile which is just great in an ergonomical stand point in my opinion.

    sure the only pancake prime is 24mm equiv but the camera isn’t out yet and we know that for a sensor that big a fast pancake can be built (see samsung 30 f2).

    we still have no proof however if a pancake 24 mm equiv lens can be done for m43 mount …

  • Bu

    In camera one touch HDR, perfect.

  • Jose

    @ bilgy_no1: I know, but a roadmap is a roadmap. Remember the mighty 100mm macro? When they show the lens and say “it will be for sale in two months” I’ll believe it is real.

  • at

    I have been repeatly saying about the problem of compact body with huge lenses. Sony has demonstrated a very good example for those who really want an ultra-compact body interchangeable lens camera with a real product.

  • Agent00soul

    bilgy_no1 says: It does NOT have a touch screen, as far as all the previews go.

    OK, that was just a rumour then. It makes the lack of buttons even more worrying though.

  • Jack

    Sony develops an Interchangeable Lens HD Camcorder

    Sony announced today that it is developing a new type of AVCHD high definition camcorder which features key technologies powering the newly announced interchangeable lens digital camera, “NEX-5” and “NEX-3”.

    The new camcorder will be equipped with the same “Exmor” APS HD CMOS sensor to be used in “NEX-5” and “NEX-3.” In addition, the camcorder will be compatible with “E Mount” interchangeable lenses developed for “NEX-5” and “NEX-3”, and also the wealth of “A Mount” interchangeable lenses from the existing “α” DSLR camera lineup via a mount adapter. By combining these features, Sony aims to market a camcorder capable of generating a variety of creative expressions in HD quality.

    Sony plans to commercialize the new HD camcorder in fall 2010.

    They are catching up quick aren’t they? :) Good News

  • Mark

    The design harkens back to Sony’s previous all in one monster models (700 series?)

    then the body could swivel up and down slightly giving a similar viewpoint for the LCD the nex5 is giving

    frankly, even though I placed over hkd 15000 worth of money into Olympus gear over the last year ep1 and e30, thi design trumps the pens, and it hurts especially in the iso area.

    Yes it’s a bit weird, but if u imagine placing te main valance onto the middle ofthe lens, which u will be holding, it’s gonna work just as their former model worked

    oly better be very ready to trump them

  • fta

    I’d like to give a nice warm welcome to all the Sony Fan boys. Please stay a while, look around… :)

    I do like the high ISO picture test. I really would like to hold one in my hands. And I’ll reserve judgment until I get to play with one.

    Is this a nice camera? Sure! Sony did a really good job. Congratulations!

    Is m43 in trouble, not even close! Maybe the Samsung NX10 series might be? ooohhh! Zing!!!

  • Momy don’t like it

    YouDidntDidYou is spot on!!!

  • kesztió

    Unlike “mainstream” opinion leaders I’m not a huge fan of the “smallest possible camera” competition. Hardly believe that NEX still can compete G2 in terms of ergonomy, ease of use, etc. Waiting for a “G2” with better sensor (GH2 maybe?) to get the almost perfect camera…

  • at

    Current (Lowest) online price in Japan:
    Pancake lens options:
    NEX5 – 71,800 Yen
    NEX3 – 58,300 Yen
    GF1 – 56,799 Yen

    Standard Zoom lens options:
    NEX5 – 76,300 Yen
    NEX3 – 62,800 Yen
    E-PL1 – 57,869 Yen

    Let’s wait and see what will be the actual price one month later when the NEX3 and NEX5 are released to market.

  • Strategist

    I don’t get it. From the manufacturer point of view, why offer a camera with very good image quality that only pro would understand, sacrificing tons of entry-level features by squeezing the body and priced its under EPL1. Is it of mid user or beginner???

  • roger767

    wow the lenses look really good, aluminum. My panasonic 20mm 1,7 is a great lens but the price is a ripoff considering its made out of plastic.

  • at

    @roger767
    But it is very obvious from the IR sample that the Sony lens has pretty high chromatic abberation compared with the Panasonic pancake, although the Sony pancake is optically wider than the Panasonic pancake.

  • at

    @Strategist
    Simply because Sony just wants to make more money by using their overstocked APS-C sensor on a new product to market it with good selling points like ultra-compact, full HD video, APS-C quality, tiltable LCD screen, etc, while maintaining the lowest cost without re-designing the lens (except the so-called pancake). You know Sony is actually a very good marketing company.

  • Eric

    @roger767
    Me too! I’m so happy to see their lenses are made of aluminum. I am sick of plastic lenses. I didn’t think anyone not named Leica, Zeiss, or Pentax would make aluminum primes ever again, especially not for this price. Sony has made a believer out of me. Just imagine a slightly more advanced model with built in EVF and a set of aluminum pancake primes to go with it! Heck, what if Zeiss makes lenses for it like they do Sony DSLR’s! Yeah, I was an E-P1 early adopter, but I think Sony just won my business. Metal primes + 2 extra stops of ISO is too much for me to overlook.

  • Agent00soul

    Eric, have you compared the 1600 iso samples at Imaging Resource to the E-PL1? The NEX has far from two stops better ISO. Actually there is very little difference between the two. Yes, the Sony is slightly better but it is less than one stop.

  • sushistand

    Agent00soul,

    Sorry are we reading the same thing on Imaging Resource? These two outperform the 43 competitors.

    At 1600 Nex-5 is about a stop better than the EP-2.

    At 3200 Nex5 vs EP-2 vs G2

    The Nex5 is at least a stop and a half better than the EP-2 and clearly 2 stops better than G2.

    Even imaging resource comments on this:

    “Apart from some minor exposure differences (even though the same shutter speed and aperture were used), the Sony NEX-3 performs the same as the Sony NEX-5. And, as you can see, they both outperform these Micro Four Thirds models at ISO 1,600 and above.”

  • Ron

    I’m the proud owner of a GF1. And now I desperately want a NEX-5….

  • Agent00soul

    sushistand says:
    Agent00soul,
    Sorry are we reading the same thing on Imaging Resource? These two outperform the 43 competitors.
    At 1600 Nex-5 is about a stop better than the EP-2.

    No, we’re not. I was comparing it to the E-PL1, which is the direct competitor to the NEX.
    Also, bear in mind that the sensor in all m4/3 cameras, except the GH-1, came with the G-1 and has been on the market for a long time. It is likely that Panasonic will have a new, improved sensor out shortly after Sony starts shipping the NEX cameras.

  • JeremyT

    Wow, big lenses are BIG.

    The first gen bodies look like throwaways to me (no EVF, no real hot shoe, no dials), but I’m impressed with how small they made them. Hopefully this will put some price pressure on m4/3.

    Oh, by the way; if Sony can make an APS-C body this size, think of how small a m4/3 body could potentially be. The register distance is only 2mm greater on M4/3, and the lenses are smaller; if the size of the NEX is any indication, the next generation of m4/3 bodies could be pretty killer and MUCH smaller (especially if you count the lenses…)

  • Ryo81

    The NEX is attractive! (Especially in high ISO, but that’s for sure, if you think of it. It is 2010 technology and it is an APS-C sized sensor!) Great job Sony. I’m eager to know how it would perform in the fields…

    Hope that Panoly would come up with some sensor technology to provide better ISO performance with their m43/43 sensors.

    (However, I don’t like the lenses for NEX. They’re good looking but I guess it would become hot under sunlight, yet cold to hold in winter, as it is made of metal? I would prefer plastic instead)

  • sushistand

    Agent00soul,

    Sorry, not trying to be confrontational here, but then your post before saying “The NEX has far from two stops better ISO” is non-sense. As you mentioned, the epl-1 and the ep-2 essentially have identical sensors and your claim about the epl-1 having “very little difference between the two” (NEX5 vs EPL-1) at iso 1600 is false, it is about a stop and a half at iso 1600 and 2 stops better higher. As I have posted before even imaging resource agrees that the NEX5 outperforms the 43 competitors. Granted that this might mean that the jpeg engine is just better, but I’m pretty confident that this gap will be consistent when the NEX RAW’s become available, if not even more.

    Whether or not Panasonic will have an improved sensor, in a future yet to be announced camera, is of no concern to me. I can only compare cameras with images that are available now. Hopefully, though, that this improved sensor will be optimized enough to be able to compete with a sensor that is physically capable of taking in more light. Competition is the basis innovation, without the 43 cameras there would probably be no NEX cameras. Whether or not this will be the case though, as of right now is just rumor.

  • Ryo81

    I’m also interested to see how it would perform without the mode dial, which is so crucial even in prosumer cameras…

  • Agent00soul

    sushistand says: I can only compare cameras with images that are available now.

    Well, the NEX cameras are not available now. And when they will become available, Panasonic and Olympus might be ready to introduce new models too.
    Also note that when the NEX cameras become available, there will be no lenses faster than f/2.8 for them – the wide prime. For a normal lens you will have to make do with the kit lens that is around f/4 at 40 mm equivalent. Compare this with the Panasonic’s f/1.7. That’s more than two stops faster. So you’ll have to agree that if you only compare cameras that are available now (or soon), the Sonys will have a low light disadvantage.

  • dMS

    Is it my impression or m43 fan boys are getting nervous. As I had predicted, after 43 users, they would also feel betrayed by Panalympus, mainly because like us, have invested heavily in glass.

    Anyway I do not understand your obsession for miniaturization. It reminds me in the past the cell phones war, they have become so small that it became almost impossible to press the buttons with normal fingers. Fortunately good sense prevailed and they grew again.

    @JeremyT “Oh, by the way; if Sony can make an APS-C body this size, think of how small a m4/3 body could potentially be”

    A little more and probably the 3-inch LCD screen will abound up and down. Ridiculous

    I think it is time to wake up Olympus, forget a war that you can not win and concentrate again on real cameras and put out as quickly as possible the E-5 and/or E-50 before everyone abandon ship.

  • Mark

    Really cool cameras from Sony. I’m still hoping for a longer focal length pancake lens, something around 30mm (~50mm equiv). The larger sensor in such a small body is WIN. One NEX5/16mm kit for me, black pls.

  • sushistand

    Agent00soul,

    Sorry to say but you are wrong in all points here.

    NEX camera *images* are available right now. I’ve downloaded them. I did not mention the camera itself. See what I did there?

    Regarding your next point…
    I do not have to agree to Sony having a “low light disadvantage” since you are flat out wrong, sorry. You do not know how to count f/stops. See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-number#Standard_full-stop_f-number_scale. F/1.7 to F/2.8 is a 1.5 stop difference not “more than two stops”. We’ve already established that the NEX5 is about 1.5 / 2 stops better quality at the same sensor ISO setting so take this into consideration

    Case in point:

    EP-2 F/1.7 lens at 6400 vs NEX 5 F/2.8 lens at 6400 = NEX5 having the better and cleaner performance despite the less amount of light hitting the sensor.

    Lets take this up a notch. Situation: Absolutely no light and you MUST take a picture and you don’t have a strobe:

    EP2 F/1.7 lens at ISO 12800 vs NEX 5 F/2.8 at ISO 12800…..oh wait a minute there is no iso12800 setting on the EP2? Who has the advantage now?

    Taking it up ANOTHER notch:

    What do you mean there won’t be faster glass than 1.7 for the NEX-5 at launch? The LA-EA1 adapter is available at launch which can mount any alpha/minolta lens and there are plenty of 1.4 glass around for that mount. For example the Sigma 30mm F/1.4…multiply the focal length by 1.5 and thats….45mm almost normal/standard equivalent ( see what I did there ?)

    Also consider that all of this low light performance that’s better than 43 is done with 17% MORE of an image taken when you compare the dimensions of the sensor sensor APS-C-sized CMOS (23.4×15.6mm) VS 4/3
    18.00 x 13.50 mm.

    So…who has the low light advantage now?

  • Agent00soul

    sushistand says: F/1.7 to F/2.8 is a 1.5 stop difference not “more than two stops”.

    That’s right. But the problem is that the NEX has no normal lens with f/2.8, only the wide prime. So if you need a normal lens you’re forced to use the kit zoom at approx. f/4. That’s 2.5 stops slower than the 20/1.7

    sushistand says: So…who has the low light advantage now?
    Well, if you count adapted lenses as well, that gets a bit difficult to answer. M4/3 has the Noktor and Noctilux at f/0.95. There are even brighter cine lenses that could be adapted. But I prefer to count only the lenses that offer full control, including AF, with the system. The alpha/minolta lenses will not offer AF with the adapter, by the way.

  • sushistand

    agent00soul:

    “That’s right. But the problem is that the NEX has no normal lens with f/2.8, only the wide prime. So if you need a normal lens you’re forced to use the kit zoom at approx. f/4. That’s 2.5 stops slower than the 20/1.7”

    I’m arguing the fact that the Sony has better low light capability than the M43 competitors, I am not arguing normal lenses. The Sony has the “Sony 50mm f/1.8 SAM SAL-50F18” lens available. Granted it’s a 75 equivalent on the APS-C. I don’t see this as show-stopping. I will, however, concede that M43 has a better selection of native m43 lenses than the E mount. It is clearly the greatest (and some might argue one of the few) advantages that triumphs over this NEX E-mount system. And I say this in the most endearing way possible, but I’m glad you can actually count F/stops now before throwing up numbers you pulled out of nowhere (hint, hint).

    “Well, if you count adapted lenses as well, that gets a bit difficult to answer. M4/3 has the Noktor and Noctilux at f/0.95. There are even brighter cine lenses that could be adapted. But I prefer to count only the lenses that offer full control, including AF, with the system. The alpha/minolta lenses will not offer AF with the adapter, by the way.”

    So…if we are counting “full control, including AF” then you are basically agreeing with me here that the NEX-5 has better low light capability then the 43 systems (as per my arguements before). Only because…as im sure you know the Noktor doesn’t autofocus.

  • kesztió

    Let‘s clarify a bit the “huge” difference between the two types of sensor.

    MFT: 18 × 13.5 mm = 243 m²
    Sony APS-C: 21.5 × 14.4 mm = 309,6 m²

    Hence the Sony’s sensor is just 1,274 times bigger.
    To be more specific, a 12 MP MFT is theoretically equivalent to a 15.3 MP Sony APS-C sensor – in terms of low light performance and dynamic range.

    SO, WHAT’S THE BIG DEAL?!

  • sushistand

    First, you have the wrong dimensions for the sony APS-C sensor. It’s APS-C-sized CMOS (23.4×15.6mm)

    The “big deal” with the sensor is that I am getting roughly 17% more lens area (top of my head) per image, every time I shoot an identical megapixel 4/3 camera and aps-c camera. Again, with the same megapixels. 17% for me is significant.

    Size of the APS-C sensor aside, which theoretically can have bigger photosites, imaging resource has already shown that the sensor is already proven to have better high ISO rating (1.5 – 2 stop advantage).

    THAT’S WHAT THE BIG DEAL IS 😉

  • Agent00soul

    sushistand says: So…if we are counting “full control, including AF” then you are basically agreeing with me here that the NEX-5 has better low light capability then the 43 systems (as per my arguements before).

    No, because the fastest eligible lens for the NEX is the 16/2.8 and for a standard lens it’s the 18-55/3.5-5.6. For m4/3 you have the 20/1,7 and with an adapter you can even use the Panasonic 25/1.4 or the Sigma 30/1,4 and 50/1,4. All of these lenses do AF with all m4/3 cameras. According to DPR, Sonys adapter for the NEX series will not do AF.

  • kesztió

    @sushistand:

    “Again, with the same megapixels.”
    But megapixels are usually different. And 12 MP is absolutely enough for me.

    “17% for me is significant.”
    The difference between fullframe and APS-C is much more dramatical than the one between APS-C and MFT. So, it’s the high time for you to switch on fullframe. 😛

    “Size of the APS-C sensor aside, which theoretically can have bigger photosites, imaging resource has already shown that the sensor is already proven to have better high ISO rating (1.5 – 2 stop advantage).”
    Wrong. Despite the slightly different pixel pitch Sony Alpha 450 (same sensor with NEX) gets roughly identical RAW performance to GH1:

    http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/eng/Image-Quality-Database/Compare-cameras/(appareil1)/348%7C0/(appareil2)/337%7C0/(onglet)/0/(brand)/Sony/(brand2)/Panasonic

    The sensor from E-PL1 has an old design. (The exceptional JPG engine from Olympus makes the quality still comparable.)
    Just wait for new generation Pana (or Fuji?) MFT senzors and let’s compare again.

  • Miroslav

    @Agent00soul: Sigma 30/1,4 can AF on NEX. From various reviews I understood that the Alpha lenses with AF motor will be able to AF on NEX cameras. This is the fastest lens that will auto focus on NEX I have found so far.

    But, returning to standard lenses, a question to you all: what is a better low light combo: a NEX 5 with 16 mm F2.8, its larger sensor and one ISO stop of advantage or an E-P2 with 20 mm F1.7 and its image stabilization, which gives four stops?

  • Agent00soul

    Miroslav says: From various reviews I understood that the Alpha lenses with AF motor will be able to AF on NEX cameras.

    Accordong to DPReview: “The LA-EA1 adapter will have a motor to control the lens aperture but nothing to driving the autofocus (they can’t currently focus SSM and SAM lenses with built-in focus motors either). “

  • Jose

    Which gives four stops of what? Blurred people?

    I’d take one stop of ISO over stabilization any day. Stabilization can’t stop movement, so for street or social photography I prefer a higher shutter speed (I don’t care if the church is sharp when the people in it is not). And for landscape, where it could be of some help for me, I still prefer a good tripod.

    The only use I can find for stabilization is hand holding large lenses (something I rarely do), and again the possibility of higher shutter speeds without image penalties will be of more use. And I just don’t understand why people want stabilization in a wide lens so bad…

    Does stabiilization work for you? Fine. It doesn’t for me.

  • Miroslav

    @Agent00soul: Thanks for the explanation concerning Alpha lenses. It seems that Sony has ( again ) left its current users in the cold.

    @Jose
    :)
    Streets, architecture and landscapes are far more interesting than people at night. I prefer to have them blurred, a kind of basic “Tourist removal tool” :). And if I take low light pictures of people I want to shoot, there’s always a flash.

    Stabilization indeed works for me, it opened new ways of taking photos at night ever since I bought my first P&S with IS. I am able to take hand held photos with exposures of up to 1second and even more if I rest a camera against a something solid. Previously, I couldn’t go under 1/15 without blurry photos ( with a P&S ), so I’m not buying a camera without IS any more.

    For concerts though, nothing beats a fast lens and/or high ISO, but try taking an F2 zoom to a concert these days :).

  • Jose

    “it opened new ways of taking photos at night”

    So did the Nikon D3/D3S. I just wish their sensors came in a smaller package (for me, even the D700 is way too big for anything but landscape, where I don’t mind carrying lots of things -like a tripod, lots of filters…).

    But that’s the point: I’d take better image quality at higher ISOs over any stabilization system no matter how good. There is simple more that I can do being able to select faster shutter speeds at will without worries about image quality loses.

    Regards.

  • asaaaa

    does NEX5 has a similar function as the Art Filters in EPL1?

    if it has, i would buy NEX5!!!

  • http://www.camwerkz.com Camwerkz Pte Ltd

    The other area to compare is video capability. Sony has no manual aperture/speed control during video taking which we hope Sony will have an updated firmware for it.

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