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Leica Hater
4 months ago |Delish!
Anonymous
4 months ago |the strongest mirrorless system!
YouDidntDidYou
4 months ago |Indeed, and now micro four thirds is in soon to be 3rd place for total lenses available for a system ahead of Sony’s Alpha mount and gaining on canikon full frame offerings for lens selection….all in just 4 years!
Es
4 months ago |Yeah, and they are all either endless iterations of useless zooms or primes in practically the same range.
E-1
4 months ago |Yes, useless. Excellent 12, 14, 20, 25, 45, 60, 75 primes.
Mister_Roboto
4 months ago |So you mean you use nothing but 14-42 kit lenses?
Nick
4 months ago |To be fair, the vast majority of the CaNikon lens catalogue is iterations and updates…
Nico Foto
4 months ago |That is not true. There might be iterations, but you can’t deny the vast arrangement of different lenses, particularly from Canon. Ww have ways to go before we catch them…
mert
4 months ago |@Es
“Yeah, and they are all either endless iterations of useless zooms or primes in practically the same range.”
you clearly live in a parrallell universe.
the only useless thing in this discussion is your post
OM-4ever
4 months ago |Okay, gaining on c+N, but far away. Surpassing the A mount isn’t saying much. I was close to getting an A900 for years, but the lens selection remained an issue. Its remarkable how close the eM5 gets to its IQ in its form factor. Jan
napilopez
4 months ago |85mm f1.9 FF equivalent, nice! I would’ve prefered a 105mm equivalent, but it’s all good =P Based on the mount size, the lens doesn’t look outlandishly large either. Looks very close to the 75mm f1.8, actually, if you compare the size of the mount/cap:
http://www.nexthardware.com/repository/vg_news/268/immagini/olympus_m_zuiko_75mm_f18_3d.jpg
Mister_Roboto
4 months ago |yeah but f.95 for exposure- that’ will take me places (in the dark), but yeah with DOF the equivalent 1.9, that’s damn nice. Totally with the size too- it doesn’t look like a monster.
I was thinking for asure on the Panasonic 42.5mm f1.2 coming in a year ish… but I might go this route instead.
mert
4 months ago |“85mm f1.9 FF equivalent, nice!”
Yes it is an 85mm FF equiv.
But aperture is not relative to sensor size. 0.95 is 0.95 no matter what sensor you stick it in front of. The depth of field will be different only.
Gabe
4 months ago |M43: 42.5mm F0.95 1/100 ISO 400 = FF: 85mm F1.9 (DOF) 1/100 — ISO 1600
bart
4 months ago |If you want to be complete, then add that this assumes same level of technology, and that it is an approximation because focal length (and not field of view) also affects distribution of DOF (in front/behind plane of sharpest focus). For longer focal lengths, the difference is too small to matter, at short focal lengths it is quite noticeable.
About everyone understands your approximation, now it is time for you to start understanding why many people ignore that approximation.
I’ll suggest a few things for you to start with:
- light and flash meters.
- every new camera has its own (usually improved) behavior at any given ISO level as a result of technological progress.
- DOF is for most pictures by far not as important as some make it out to be (and for other pictures it is very very important)
Bollox
4 months ago |Some more mumbo jumbo from one of our top “experts” bart, this time with a fatherly “it is time for you to blah” to add credibility. Don’t worry people, it’s bollox as usual. Or bullshit if you prefer.
napilope
4 months ago |Yeah, I was talking about DoF of course.
El Aura
4 months ago |And 42.5 mm focal length will remain 42.5 mm focal length no matter what sensor you put behind it. So what is your point? That quoting something in ‘effective’ terms (it has the effect of 85 mm on FF) is fine for the focal length but not for the total light gathering and DOF?
bart
4 months ago |If you then also add that the equivalent aperture ‘idea’ fails as soon as you consider light meters, flash meters, flashes and about everything exposure related, then yes, also mention the total amount of light gathered thing.
DOF ‘equivalence’ is another thing, as this can indeed be a relevant aspect of a picture in a similar way to field of view (tho DOF is generally a less relevant aspect then FOV)
WSG123
4 months ago |Wow, Panasonic must be thrilled. I guess they’ll still get the AF people, but they just got trumped on speed and availability.
Any idea when these will be on sale? I’ll be first in line!
Optical1
4 months ago |And most likely price…
Mister_Roboto
4 months ago |Whoa.
I have the 25mm… now that I know they’re going for a trinity of lenses… I need more.
Andrew
4 months ago |Ahhhhhhhh!!! Love it. Well, wish it was a solid 50mm, I mean, what m43 user hasn’t gotten used to that focal length. But this will frikkin do! Awesome. Would it be too much to ask for a sub$1000 price? Isn’t this focal length in the range of the cheapest, fast primes and easiest to make?
Mister_Roboto
4 months ago |I’m going to guess $1,2000 USD on the price… but damn. I have the 25mm, and they made some of the best build quality lenses around. IT’s hard to describe, but it’s got a very old-school feeling build to it that doesn’t exist in modern lenses.
Andrew
4 months ago |Yeap, I have it too. Which is why I want this! Would ditch my Canon FD L-series completely in a heart beat if Voigtlander makes just one more lens, 85mm-ish f/1.2 or faster.
Sqweezy
4 months ago |Would it be less difficult to make, given that the focal length is longer than the 25mm? After all, the 17.5mm is more expensive than the 25mm. Given this trend, hopefully we’ll see a price point at just around $999 for this 42.5mm. Still a little too rich for most people, I presume.
Andrew
4 months ago |Actually, coming from a GH2, this 42.5mm might not be so bad on the GH3 given it’s tigher crop factor.
kesztió
4 months ago |Hmm… Courious about the SLR Magic answer as well. It will be cheaper and sharper “as usual” or not?
Sqweezy
4 months ago |One would have to expect SLR Magic to continue with this trend. They’ve already, or are planning to, put out a great lineup of fast and affordable manual primes, although with a focus on cinema instead. With 12mm, 25mm, 35mm, and 50mm lenses already in their arsenal, I’d expect them to go even longer the next time. Perhaps an 85mm (170mm equivalent)?
Jim
4 months ago |SLR Magic already has a 17.5mm and 42.5mm planned to go with their cinema primes but they did not mention the lens speed.
Miroslav
4 months ago |Excellent! Nice addition, although I would prefer they have taken the wide route, making an ultra fast 12mm, for example. Hopefully this one does elecrtonically communicate with the body, at least giving EXIF data.
Sqweezy
4 months ago |Doubt they could’ve made a 12mm lens as cheap as the SLR Magic one. It also seems mighty difficult to design a lens that wide and keeping to their trend of f/0.95 apertures. I’d expect it would be much bigger and more expensive at f/0.95 than most would be willing to exchange. I’m guessing it’s better to frontier out to a focal length where there are no direct competitors for such a fast, manual prime.
Mr. Reeee
4 months ago |Voigtländer already makes a 12mm f5.6 with a Leica M mount that’s very compact. Unfortunately f5.6 isn’t too desirable, but given that it’s $799, imagine what an f 0.95 would cost and also the size of the thing. I’d guess 3x to 4x on both counts. http://cameraquest.com/voigt_12VM.htm
I’m quite happy with my SLR Magic Hyperprime 12mm, but it doesn’t approach Voigtländer’s fantastic workmanship or the luscious feel of the focus ring.
JimD
4 months ago |They feel nice. Yes. I have the 15, 20 and 28mm Ultron. These with the fab 1.8/38mm Pen ft lens that makes my standard manual light weight wide set. Then along with the 9-18 and 14-150 do most of what I want. I think Tamron should have gone for a 10-80 or 100 at f2 to f3.5 though not the 14-150.
Bob B.
4 months ago |…Can you say: Bokeh Monster?
MadManAce
4 months ago |I would so buy this lens if Olympus released a firmware update with focus peaking on the OMD. The magnification is fine and dandy when taking photos of stationary subjects.
JimD
4 months ago |Use the art line filter.
MadManAce
4 months ago |I tried it and I did not like it. I kept missing the eyes while I do not have this issue with the Sony Nex-5n
JimD
4 months ago |I tried the line setting but went back to magnifying I find it easier and quicker. I find the magnify assigned to FN2 good and magnify at X5.
I compose, magnify, verify composure and press the button. I find it fast enough but for super speed then don’t bother with verify composure, at x5 magnification you get a good idea of anything that changes.
mert
4 months ago |@JimD
I use magnify for focus as well. From what I have seen on Sony cams with it I would prefer to use magnification anyway.
Although it would be good to see this added in a firmware update for folks who need/want it.
JimD
4 months ago |Yes, there’s plenty of room for more/additional choice.
justsayin
4 months ago |Or dare I even say: split focus like on the new x100s, it kinda make FP second class in term of manual focus assist for stills, FP still is a nice choice for video but as a guy who as worked with FP enabled professional video cameras for years I can tell you I very rarely use FP, it’s really not that good.
JimD
4 months ago |I would like to see a m43 cosina full rangefinder camera, maybe under the Voitlander name, a Bessa Dm43-1. Native M43 (and M lens compatible with adapter). Possibly a purchasable encoded mount (replacement mount for 17.5, 25mm and so on) for M43 manual lenses to assist rangefinder operation.
Where do I place my order?
I lkie it
4 months ago |Very, very good idea.
There are some nice primes for micro43 system – Voigtlanders, SLR Magic, Samyang (fisheye), Tokina (mirror), and others.
Rangfinder will be very usefull with them.
mert
4 months ago |+1 from me
Would definitely be in the market for this.
Mr. Reeee
4 months ago |+100
Something like that could be amazing, but probably only a pipe dream.
Sqweezy
4 months ago |This lens looks like the smallest of the trinity and would be the perfect size (and hopefully weight too) for street shooting. Hoping that with all the competition from SLR Magic in this realm, they’ll price this lens under a grand. I’m guessing the optical quality to be pristine!
Camaman
4 months ago |Finally the good stuff is rolling out of that show.
MarcoSartoriPhoto
4 months ago |Ouch!… This or the forth coming Pana/Leica 42.5mm f1.2?…..
bart
4 months ago |Just think of all the pictures you can take with the Voigtlander while waiting for the 42.5/1.2 from Lumix…
MarcoSartoriPhoto
4 months ago |Is there a release date for both?
bart
4 months ago |For the Lumix, ‘somewhere in 2014′, no idea about the Voigtlander.
Was more a tongue in check comment regarding the time it often takes for Panasonic to get from announcement to actual availability
uiti
4 months ago |This nokton will wrok on 23cm minimum distance! that’s a half macro.
http://dc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20130131_585912.html
tomas
4 months ago |I like manual lenses and have OM lenses on EPL3 …but I bought them especialy due to low budget.
its almost impossible to shoot small kids with manaul focus.
I like OM 50mm 1.8 as a replacemen for 45mm 1.8…even believe 45 is fat sharper.
I bought also OM 135mm 3.5 but this produce many rubish when I try to shoot wilds, animals …very hard to to do good focused picture,
then I also bought OM 28mm 2.8 and it is decent for its value.
but 1200eur for manual lens ??? this is really insane to me.
OK…very very fast apperture …but you still need to focus right which is not always easy
Es
4 months ago |Main use for this is video
digi2ap
4 months ago |Yes, it’s the perfect video interview prime lens for m43.
MarcoSartoriPhoto
4 months ago |If it’s built as Voigtländer17.5mm, the aperture ring can be pull and turned so that it can rotate clickless, and therefore can be used for videos. Otherwise it’s “simply” a photo lens. It’s surely different than SLR 50mm f0.95 noktor I own, which has only a stepless aperture ring (you block the aperture with a little screw, something I don’t like).
MarcoSartoriPhoto
4 months ago |As uiti (thanks!) linked, this new lens comes with a swithing ring as in 17.5mm, therefore you can have a clicless aperture ring suitable for video lovers. It says also that it focuses at a minimum distance of 23cms with an image ratio of 1:4. It’s already written something about its softness, let’s see some samples first.. Oh, and no aspherical elements: I guess it will be cheaper than 17.5mm then.
Mr. Reeee
4 months ago |I use my manual lenses for stills.
I have Nikon, Pentax SMC Takumar, SLR Magic and Olympus OM lenses in addition to a few Voigtländers. The Voigtländers are my favorites, though. The 25mm f0.95 and 75mm f2.5 Color Heliar, especially. The 42.5mm will be very tempting.
MarcoSartoriPhoto
4 months ago |I never had an issue with manual focusing: how could photographer do their work in the past? It’s simply a question of time: use it and you’ll get used and better at it. I’m enjoining Zuiko17mm f1.8 right now, with its fast AF, but still I prefer the feeling of Voigtländer17.5mm, and I can focus quite fast with it.
tomas
4 months ago |I dont say I dont like manual focus lenses…I just say if subject moves ..then its hard to do it correct
MarcoSartoriPhoto
4 months ago |Well, under day light it can be tricky to perfectly focus at f0.95 because of the ultra thin DOF, but it will likely be a useless photo. However, at night, on street, shooting at f0.95 is much easier, and I focus looking at the scale on the lens barrel. Perhaps it won’t be perfect for those who love pixel peeping, but you can do it.
Andrew
4 months ago |Actually I’ve found it manual focusing with smaller apertures can be just as challenging since the difference between “in focus” and “out of focus” is much slighter on the LCD/VF. You don’t realize it until you look at it on your computer.
JimD
4 months ago |For kids use a zoom, for animals use a zoom.
Try to compose with a prime and moving kids will drive you bananas. Trying to focus with a manual lens and moving kids will drive you bananas.
Zooms do have a place in this world.
OMega
4 months ago |Hi Tomas, if you like using the OM Zuikos, try the f4.0 200mm it is superb on my E-P2. As a point of interest I also use the 28, 50 and 135 Zuikos, though in the case of the two long ones I have faster iterations the 1.4/50 and 2.8/135, the 50mm is a superb portrait lens, bright and great DOF, shame you are on a budjet and already have the slower copies as it would be well worth looking out for the faster ones which are still great value. Another item I’ve obtained is the Zuiko 2xa teleconvertor makes a very usable f80/800mm equivalent with the 200mm lens.
tomas
4 months ago |hi OMega …thanks for tip to 200mm f
Gabe
4 months ago |like any “old lens” we use today, many years from now, these F0.95 lenses will still work boz it has no electric component, just mechanical. But your AF m43 lenses? Can’t say.
tomas
4 months ago |ok I take the argument the manual lens would work after ages as have no electronic+1…I also take argument you could improve yourself working with such lenses+1…I am still not sure about price validity for such lens…manual lens for me means either budget lens or oxtraordinary…so many of you would say this is extraordinary…ok no probs
JF
4 months ago |If only thoose lenses were AF…
MarcoSartoriPhoto
4 months ago |?! On an f0.95?! It would be a HUGE lens!
mert
4 months ago |@JF
“If only thoose lenses were AF…”
The electronics for AF would have to sit outside of the barrel to maintain the wide aperture, would make for an awkward lens!
mert
4 months ago |Sold!
Any details on shipping dates and pricing?
kesztió
4 months ago |Does anybody know whether its SLR Magic counterpart (the “Noktor” 50/0.95) is optically identical to the not really shining original Noktor or as opposite, it has a superior, redesigned optics?
MarcoSartoriPhoto
4 months ago |SRL Noktor is quite a soft lens, at corners, you may like it or not, someone defined its “glowy” character crappy, but I like it for portraits. Wide opened it deliveres nice bokeh too. I think this new Voigtländer will have a better build construction (given i.e. the switch for shooting videos/photos). If I upload a photo on Flickr taken with SLR I’ll let you know.
MarcoSartoriPhoto
4 months ago |As far as I know, the old one is the only available: when I bought it, I contacted also Steve Huff, and he said that it was crappy. Compared to the M mount Leica version. Yes, on old EPL2 it was not that good. BUT on OMD Em5 it does its job. Since then every old bad review disappeared. SLR is a CCTV lens though.
OM-4ever
4 months ago |Here we go: 85mm E.FOV fast portrait lens, finally.
This should blow away the current legacy 50mm stand-ins.
Future MFT user
4 months ago |Now we need a 12mm f0.95, for a 24mm f1.9 equivalent, and a 67.5mm f0.95 for a 135mm f1.9 equivalent. Come on, Voigt!
woof woof
4 months ago |Golly.
This is the first new lens for a while that could tempt me (I have the 25mm) but I do wish that MFT would up the max shutter speed from 1/4000 to 1/8000 as when shooting with a wide aperture in good light it’s easy to exceed 1/4000 even at ISO 100, which is something that some of the later cameras don’t have. Getting around this issue means messing on with ND’s and I’d much rather have 1/8000 available for wider aperture good light shooting.
Even with 1/8000 and ISO 100 it’s possible to hit the max shutter speed at f1.4 with my 5D.
Jim
4 months ago |Ha, it better be cheap. I heard SLR Magic has a 17.5mm and 42.5mm planned to go with their 12mm T1.6, 25mm T0.95, 35mm T0.95, and 50mm T0.95 lens set. The Panna 42.5mm f/1.2 would be cheap as well with fingers crossed they do not slap on a Leica sticker on the lens.
Es
4 months ago |I bet the 42.5mm f/14 Panny will be $xxxx
Al Jimenez
4 months ago |Every one of the Voigtlander-Cosina m43 lenses are desirable. I like how this company is focusing on high quality and very-very fast lenses. Too bad I can’t afford to just buy everyone of them… Al
pdc
4 months ago |Another $1000 and I’ll have the trilogy!
JimD
4 months ago |What gives with the .5 addition to lenses all of a sudden? Its not as if all lenses were were what was written on them in the first place. Not many are what they are listed at including Leica. Many are complicated lens of contrived focal lengths, equivalents in name only to simple lenses. ( then there are changes with focus distance). So what is the sudden trend for adding .5 to focal lengths?
How equivalent is an equivalent lens and what is the limit of equivalence before it becomes unacceptable and the equivalence police need to look into it?
JimD
4 months ago |I’m moderated again!!!!!
Tom
4 months ago |Why are they all crowding in the center of the playing field? Anyone who’d make a successful 10mm fast wide angle right now would open up a new market. Both the Oly 9-18mm and the Pana 7-14mm are zooms, and while excellent, can still be surpassed by a fixed focal length. Autofocus in the far wide angle range is less of a concern, so there you go, Voigtlander/Cosina! 10mm f/2 or faster is the market niche!