(FT5) Surprise: The 12-32mm not only is the smallest but also the best standard “cheap” kit zoom!

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Image courtesy: Camerasize.

On Thursday (October 17) Panasonic will unveil their new little gem, the Panasonic Gm1 ultracompact camera which has about the same size nd thickness as the LF1 compact camera. It will become the smallest MFT camera ever made.

The astonishing thing is that I have been told by trusted sources that the standard 12-32mm kit zoom not only is as thin as the 14mm pancake…it is also the highest built and image quality of all standard kit zooms on the mirrorless market! With standard zoom I mean the cheaper kit zooms like the 14-42mm from Olympus or Panasonic or the Sony 16-50 and so on. The 12-32mm is made of all metal!

I repeat it. This is Panasonic answer to the Sony RX100. Same size, bigger sensor, and interchangeable mount! What do you want more? Oh yeas, maybe a compact f/1.8 Zeiss zoom would be nice :)


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  • AW

    Does it have an EVF? And if so, same quality as the GX7’s, or a lesser one?

    • admin

      no EVF.

      • JN

        what a shame, considering LF1 has a (basic) EVF.

      • Uberzone

        Hot shoe?

        • http://leicaapostate.com J Shin

          Important!

      • Milt

        Useful to know. I thought they might include the LF1 EVF for framing. But my GF1 doesn’t have a EVF either.

    • Ash

      If you want an EVF buy the lens and put it on a GX7.

      Product differentiation is not hard to understand.

      • Henke

        Maybe some people just want something very small but with an EVF on it? I think that would attract buyers too. GX7 is to big for me.

        • GX7 IS TOO BIG FOR YOU? WOW….

          -May perhaps a Point and Shoot or a iPhone your shooting preference?? GX7 too big, what a joke.

          • Gabriel

            How is it a joke? The gx7 is barely pocketable.

            A camera with the IQ of the GX7, an EVF and smaller size would crush the compact camera market harder than any other mirrorless has yet.

            • Mr. Reeee

              Pocketability with any m4/3 camera and a mounted lens… except for the Body cap lens… is a special blend of wishful thinking, urban legend, religious fanaticism and myth. 😉

              • Anonymous

                Funny how I just got home with in my right coat pocket an E-M5 with 14/2.5 and in my left coat pocket a 45/1.8

                Could also be using the 17/2.8 or 20/1.7 for that, and soonish this nice little zoom it seems.

                But hey, keep repeating your truism if you insist on believing that, just know that reality disagrees with it.

                • I CAN FIT MY GX1 WITH THE CLIP ON VF AND 20mm LENS IN MY JEAN JACKET POCKET

                  I’m sure I can easily put my GX7 in there, being that there’s no extra hump from the add on VF.

                  Question is, do I really want to? -NO.

                  I want a smaller than my DSLR camera, but it doesn’t need to be pocketable, for that, I’ll just use a point and shoot, or a smartphone.

                  Why would I want my M43 camera in my pocket? -To miss “that” shot?

                  No thanks, it’s either in my hand, or around my neck.

                  • Anonymous

                    If you don’t want to, thats totally fine, more power (or actually more choice because of not having as much of a size constraint) to you.

                    I find it very convenient that I can scale up my camera to have a nice grip and enough weight to use it with a bigger (Olympus FL50R) flash and big lenses, and also scale it down to just fit my coat pockets with select lenses, and have the possibility to always have it with me even when using a bag is inconvenient or a bad idea. Maybe that situation never happens for you, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen for others.

                    Sure, could buy 2 cameras to have both, but even then, having 2 cameras that can share lenses, flashes etc has some clear advantages over having 2 cameras that can’t.

                    You are totally right in that what matters is what you want, but you are pretty silly for thinking that what you want determines what everybody else should want, not to mention the silliness of claiming that something that you don’t happen to want is ‘impossible’ despite it being trivial to demonstrate that it is quite possible.

                    • PRETTY SILL FOR WHAT???

                      Who said I was speaking for others? I was speaking for myself? You can type, so I’m sure you can read, so I think you may want to read my comment again.

                      Everything you said you can do with you camera, I can do with the GX7, but “I” prefer a camera in my hand, “NOT” in “MY” pocket.

                      And what did I “claim” was Impossible? Are you typing just to type, or what?? Do you keep your brain in the same pocket or what? You comment just makes no sense! You’re reaching for nothing and assume everything! Are you lost??

                    • Anonymous

                      Oh maybe because a few posts below you just totally agreed with someone who claimed it is a myth?

                      And that your post was about what you want was pretty evident, but know what? the internet is not just about what you want, actually, what you want is totally irrelevant. What matters is if there would be customers for a lens like this 12-32, and why those people would want one. You aren’t one of them? Noone was saying you are or have to be.

                      Your problem is your moronic insistence on dismissing anything that doesn’t 100% match what you specifically want.

              • COULDN’T HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER SIR…

                It’s amusing the excuses and features these “Photogs” ask for… Perhaps they should just stick to what they have now.

              • Mike

                PEN + 20mm f/1.7 fits in large jeans pockets.

                PEN + 40-150mm fits in my jacket pockets. Good luck with this on any other system.

                • mrc4nl

                  like nikon 1 😉

                  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/33496987@N08/ Ulli

                    nikon 1 series are awesome

              • Milt

                Actually my GF1 with the 20mm does qualify as jacket or parka “pocketable.” And I don’t have pockets the size of Captain Kangaroo either. I keep it in a de-linted Crown Royal rye whiskey bag. Scrabble pieces are not the only use for those bags.

              • http://www.flickr.com/photos/33496987@N08/ Ulli

                jeans pocket ofcourse not, but carrying in a jacket is easy with the right lens. is perfect to smuggle your camera to a concert.

              • jim

                coat pocket is ok with my EP1 and a prime… the only issue is not so much size (although it cant go any bigger for pocket) but weight! – it feels like a brick in 1 pocket… I wish it was plastic and light weight… and maybe a shave smaller – mmm just like this panasonic… seems like a bloody good camera… EVF is not so important, nice but not crucial.

            • Anonymous

              There are lots of pocketable cameras available. If that’s what’s most important to you, buy one. Some of us like to have our cameras actually more usable, and keep them out where we can use them.

              Christ almighty, the amount of whining that goes on here is unbelievable. Guess what, folks, the universe was not created just for you, and camera designers don’t build cameras just for you. If the GM1 doesn’t float your boat, move along.

              And stop whining like a 2-year old who just had his ipad taking away for misbehaving.

              • Anonymous

                Gee, this being about a GM1 (supposedly smallest m43 camera so far) and 12-32 zoom (smallest and supposedly best ‘cheap’ m43 kit zoom lens), someone explaining why he wants a viewfinder on it is whining?

                Its pretty sad how people like you have to be dismissive about everyone who wants anything that is different from the specific thing you prefer yourself.

                • W

                  It’s how Panasonic is differentiating their products. It’s what every company does.

                  You can’t have everything on a single device. Even the iPhone isn’t that. It does have everything Apple but right now, look what that got them, they answered with an iPhone 5C, because iPhone doesn’t have ‘cheap price’ with it.

                  Same with Panasonic DSLM cameras… They already have 3 lines, out of 4, that have EVF. You can choose any of those and right now GX7 fits the bill better since it’s the smallest of the bunch. Then there’s the sole P&S-style GF-line, which will be joined by this new GM-line.

                  There’s already a rumor and a patent for a different-styled M43 camera with an EVF. Who knows but that could be the “smaller-than-GX7-but-with-EVF” camera that you’re looking for. Could be a revamp of the GF-line and be the GF7, making the GM-line the EVF-less P&S and the GF-line the P&S with an EVF.

                  • Anonymous

                    Oh, thats all cool, and I’m not dismissing the gm1 regardless of it having a viewfinder, I was merely pointing out that there isn’t anything wrong with people saying they want such a small camera but with a viewfinder. If Panasonic listens and does something like that, even better.

                    No, not looking for one myself, having 2 e-m5s, one soon to be replaced by an e-m1, the gm/gf aren’t the kind of camera I’m looking for, but in time I might replace the other e-m5 with a gx7. That all doesn’t make I can’t understand why people might want such a small camera or a builtin or removable evf, the later would be even better for a camera the size of the gm1.

                    • Henrik

                      Thank you for your insight. You seem to get that people are different and that we have different needs ;). Even if not availble to day, I still wish for a very very compact camera but with an inbuilt EVF. They could even decrease the LCD if they need more room. :)

                    • W

                      Well, it took them a while to bring out the GX7 but they did listen…. maybe GM2? Lol who knows.

                • Anonymous

                  “Gee, this being about a GM1 (supposedly smallest m43 camera so far) and 12-32 zoom (smallest and supposedly best ‘cheap’ m43 kit zoom lens), someone explaining why he wants a viewfinder on it is whining?”

                  Because smallest possible size means no room for an EVF. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to understand that an EVF takes up space, and makes the camera bigger.

                  Panasonic has cameras with built-in EVF, and they have cameras that are very small. No one offers both (in an ILC with a relatively large sensor).

                  • Anonymous

                    Nope, noone did it so far, but there is a first time for everything, so thats absolutely no reason for not wanting a small camera with EVF and interchangeable lenses.

                    Certainly the room for an EVF will go at the expense of something else, possibly the rear display, but that just makes it a different compromise, and there is nothing wrong with people pointing out they’d like that different compromise.

                    Certainly it is possible to create such a small camera and provide for a clip-on EVF if its impossible to fit it into the body itself.

                    But hey, we know Panasonic fanboys are extremely sensitive to every statement that isn’t total and absolute praise for whatever Panasonic introduces. How silly for people to say what they’d want.

              • jim

                “the universe was not created just for you” I know it’s Daves – I said I would give it back after…

            • Do

              Panasonic now has 5 MFT camera lines (GH, G, GF, GX, GM) and it’s not reasonable to expect the smallest of them (in terms of camera size) having Viewfinders. Rather, you could ask that they replace the flash of the GF line with a low quality viewfinder – quite low quality, because otherwise you would again get a camera in the size of the GX.
              Anyway, I’m not sure if Panasonic won’t quit eiteher the GM or the GF line in zhe near future, depending on which is more succesfull.

          • Miroslav

            It’s not small either. I held it and it’s noticeably wider than my E-PL1. Not that I mind that much, but it’s certainly on the big side.

            • Anonymous

              “It’s not small either. I held it and it’s noticeably wider than my E-PL1. Not that I mind that much, but it’s certainly on the big side.”

              Assuming that by “it” you mean the GX7, it’s a whopping 8mm wider. About 1/3 inch. I guess that is “noticeable,” but it’s hardly huge.

              http://camerasize.com/compare/#354,472

    • bousozoku

      Why would the 12-32mm lens have an EVF?

  • bill

    > What do you want more?

    An EVF, or at least a hotshoe/accessory port! Any hint about their availability yet?

    • http://terso.co.nz David Peterson

      While a hotshoe and EVF would be nice, that would push up the price and size of this camera considerable, and put it in a whole different market category from what this is.

      So as it is, I’m very happy with it!

      As oh my, this is the camera (and kit 12-32mm lens) I want to replace my Panasonic GX1 + 14mm pancake combo!

      But perhaps in another 18 months time once the price has settled down 😉

      • Nelson

        I can wait for the half price discount same time next year.

      • dav

        Same for me, I like it a lot.
        In fact (somebody will troll me soon) I would *not* have bought the camera if it had a EVF!
        I may even buy it immediately, voting with my money to tell Panasonic “well done” (well, up to a point, let’s see how much it costs).

    • Anonymousse

      You can use a Hoodman loupe as a large EVF.

    • BNN

      no EVF but hot shoe maybe i think can match to X-A/X-M fuji and
      want more detail about new shutter type(can help camera has better Quality)

  • Anonymous

    very very interested in this little zoom. any clue about its aperture?

    • blohum

      +1, I doubt it’s fast but I’m certainly interested to find out!

      • rpm40

        It’s a kit zoom, so f3.5 to 5.6 (or worse).

        • blohum

          That’s what I’m expecting but I like to find out facts before making assumptions!

  • Cpt

    @admin,
    Does the 12-32 have OIS?
    Would be handy for the BMPCC

    • dangerduck

      +1 !
      Hopefully, but since they’ve “developped” IBIS on GX7(I think they simply borrowed it from low end PEN’s), maybe they would take advantage of that technology here so the lens can be as small as possible. That IBIS works well or comparable to OIS with shorter FL’s, but not as good as Olympus 5 axis in the long range. And it makes sense since the 12-32 is the shortest kit lens available in terms of reach, so IBIS should be enough. Also because it seems they’re not placing this camera as an entry level (high build quality rumors).

  • Henke

    What do I want more you ask? EVF – in fact its so crucial that GM1 is no longer interesting.

    • bleater

      Gx7 exists with evf…don’t whinge that this one does not

      • Henke

        But the GX8 is to big for my tasty. The LF1 has an EVF, GM1 should be able to have one too..

        • SO BUY A LF1 THEN.

          Simple.

        • m112

          Right…and given how much complaining we’ve had about how much smaller the GX7 EVF is than the freaking enormous VF-4, I’m SURE we wouldn’t have ANY complaining if they put something as tiny and crappy as the LF EVF on the GM1.

        • Anonymous

          And how big is the sensor in the LF1? How many interchangeable lenses does the LF1 take? Oh, right.

          Maybe you should think a little bit about design constraints, and the difference between a P&S and an ILC before you start whining.

          • SEEMS THE ONLY ONE WHINING IS YOU

            I’m quite happy with my purchases… Honestly, my only complaint is the Silver on my GX7, but I’m behind it, not in front of it, so I’m Good.

            Why am I whining Again???

        • Anonymous

          “The LF1 has an EVF, GM1 should be able to have one too.”

          The LF1 has a much smaller sensor, no interchangeable lens mount, all of which makes it easier to keep the camera small. I doubt that Panasonic left a bunch of empty space inside the GM1 into which they could have fitted an EVF.

          If only people would think through what they’re writing before they write it.

    • http://terso.co.nz David Peterson

      The GM1 should come with its own pet unicorn too, and have a rainbow in every photo.

      • jim

        I think the GX7 has a art filter that can put sun shine in every shot, why not a rainbow indeed? 😀

        • http://terso.co.nz David Peterson

          LOL, now I am scared this might really happen….

    • stravinsky

      Why don’t you get the LF1 instead? You obviously don’t take pictures. I have taken fantastic pictures with my old LX3.if nothing is good for you maybe you need to change hobbies.

      • Henrik

        First of all the admin asked what more we wanted ;). I said I wanted an EVF. People need to understand that we are all different and that we ask for different things, it is as simple as that. I am not complaining, but I wish that maybe for the GM2 they have put an EVF into the body :). No need to get hostile!

        • Valiant Thor

          I wish that these EVF trolls would shut up. The idea of this camera is amazing small size. An EVF requires much more size due to screen and additional processors.

          • jim

            I had a look at a balck magic camera the other day… it had a HUGE screen on the back – I don’t want a VF I want the entire rear of the camera to be screen! Its more like viewing back on the desktop than peering down a tunnel… (ok the BM cam had a sun shade/cover on it to help with viewing… but it worked ok! (nice image).

          • Gnorak

            It is supposed to have the size of the LF1 – does the LF1 have an EVF ?

          • Anonymous

            Personally I will never buy a camera without an EVF or optical viewfinder.
            For a small, everyday, pocketable camera I will be happy with 2/3 sensor and modest zoom but it must have a reasonable quality EVF.
            They can leave off the rear screen if they wish.
            Maybe Sony will bring out a version of their RX100 or maybe Panasonic will produce a GM2 with one. Until then no sale

    • W

      No, it’s not. If you stop and think, Panasonic may be trying to branch their GF-line to the usual GF cameras, to this, the GM1. A more compact camera.

      Did you see that Panasonic patent a few days ago? The one with the EVF but less controls and more touchscreen?

      Stop and think again. Some products of tech giants are usually experiments. LF1 may be one of them. But it has a small sensor. And putting a big sensor inside that leaves some constraints. BUT… since the GF-line is obviously their interchangeable lens P&S, they could be researching on how to make a GF6 and put an EVF in it without compromising size and cost. That patent could be the GF7.

      It’s fitting, actually. You’ll have an “almost-LF1” GF7, and the straight up P&S GM1. And for the enthusiast the bigger GX7 with more buttons than the GF7, and then the G7 for those wanting a DSLR form-factor, and finally the GH5 for videographers.

      They pretty much replace one of their cameras every year, so either the G7 or the GH5 could be on the way. Again, the GX7 was an experiment to test their new sensor for video, maybe.

  • BdV

    And f number? Should I sell the 12mm f2.0?

    • MarcoSartoriPhoto

      I doubt it will have the quality of 12mm prime lens, and most important: don’t sell gear based on rumors. 😉

      • Anonymous

        +1

      • BdV

        I doubt it too, but if it does turn out to be a prime replacement, the secondhand 12mm price will drop… 😉

      • Anonymous

        It will obviously be slower than the 12mm prime , I am not so sure about quality the 12mm F2 is at best medicore

        • MarcoSartoriPhoto

          Personally I find it a really good lens, pricey maybe, but sharp, fast, bright and light.

          • Anonymous

            ‘problem’ here is that you are interested in pictures and not in test charts :-)

            • http://www.flickr.com/photos/33496987@N08/ Ulli

              as it should be

            • Anonymous

              BS mediocre is kind considering it costs $800.If you honestly believe that equipment doesn’t matter why spend so much on mFT. Its funny how the folk who say that the most own the most lenses go figure.

              • Anonymous

                As said above, it’s pricey but not mediocre. If you’re going to use it for projects like those of Salgado then of course it’s mediocre. Still I can take nice photos and work with it.

    • http://deleted Robert Mark

      Picture shows F2.8. FWIW.

      • Anonymous

        Picture shows f/2.8? Did you actually bother to look at what camera is pictured?

        HINT: It’s not the GM1 and 12-32 lens.

        Try paying attention next time.

        • jim

          Sounds like someone is handing out detention….

  • Tulio

    Interchangeable lens? Where is the release button?

    • bleater

      Pic is of lf1 not gm1

      • Anonymous

        Man, the reading (and picture viewing) comprehension around here is somewhere below 3rd grade level, I think.

    • Anonymousse

      Maybe it’s screw mount :)

      • Anonymous

        Maybe it’s screw mount :)

        Leica or Pentax? 😉

  • Surab

    Jeez, I hope they include the accessory port for the LVF2 or at least a tilt screen (E-P5’s is very slim). But for me that would not be a deal breaker. It would be more of an ultra compact start in the m43 system and if I would invest in lenses (45mm e.g.), I could use them later on more sophisticated models.

    Hope it is priced reasonably, i.e. 500-700€.

  • exciting

    Cool. Need to know lens speed, price, whether or not video is 50i/60i or 50p/60p. Pretty excited about this one… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VLnWf1sQkjY

    • rpm40

      I would assume price will be in line with the 14-42x when it was released, so $400ish? It will be kit lens slow, that I’m sure of.

  • dunsun

    Finaly !
    That’s what I was waiting for. I quite don’t understand why anyone has not done it yet. I need and love that 24mm ! Bonus is that it’s small. If it can optically match at least 14mm pancace then it’s my very next purchase.

  • Funny…

    …it’s the smallest zoom on record with good quality and now everyone will complain because:

    It doesn’t have f/0.95
    There is no 5-axis O.I.S.
    It doesn’t zoom wider
    It doesn’t zoom closer
    It will cost more than $50
    It doesn’t come in silver
    It doesn’t come in black
    It doesn’t come with weather sealing
    It isn’t freeze proof
    That it doesn’t have everything above and have a price of $10

    :-)

    • bleater

      You missed the evf whining :)

      • dav

        Exactly. The EVF must be in the lens, or it’s a deal breaker for them 😀

    • YOU FORGOT THE MAIN COMPLAINT…. ITS A “PANASONIC”.

      But that’s a good thing… The Panasonic hate only prives that Panasonic is doing something good.

      • Mr. Reeee

        +10000000
        No kidding.

        • Anonymous

          Lets see… there is exactly one rather obvious troll complaining about Panasonic in this entire thread, and it is way down, and such an obvious troll that only an extremely dense person would take it serious.

          So what does that make you? Paranoid? a very typical case of persecution syndrome at the very least.

    • _gl

      Wrong – when the manufacturer gets the balance of specs, quality and price just right, few people complain. Most people like Pannys 20mm f/1.7 prime. When you see a lot of complaints, the manufacturer hasn’t hit the magic combination (it’s hard). A lot of people may still find that useful for them, but it doesn’t have universal appeal until everything clicks into place.

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/j-f_leguen/ jf

      you forgot it doesn’t have lens Hood 😀

      • Anonymous

        Please see second list below! :-)

    • Anonymousse

      It’s bigger than the body cap lens.

  • Hubertus Bigend

    Yeah, and if they reduce the zoom range even further, to, let’s say 20-25mm, the lens could be made even smaller and even cheaper! 😉

    Just joking. If it really is as good as the rumor claims, it might even be a budget alternative for the expensive 12/2, which is not in the least as good as its fame suggests. Aperture doesn’t need to be a deal breaker either, because even with f/2 you don’t get real shallow depth of field with such a lens except in close-focus situations.

    • fuSi0n

      Its not a bout shallow DOF with these wide angle lenses its about indoor use in gloomy environments keeping your iso low. But i have to agree the 12/2 is not very stellar for its price tag.

      • jim

        The 12-50mm is not too bad at 12mm/f3.5… and F3.5 is just about fast enough for carfull use. oo and you can grab one on ebay for about £120!!!

  • kiki

    Chance of some pics today? 😀

  • skol

    So this ‘trusted’ source knows it is the best standard MFT kit zoom but no word about aperture?? Admin, don’t let us be misinformed!! 😉

    • Ash

      Learn how to read.

      It is a ‘standard’ kit zoom, that means an aperture of 35-5.6 just like all the others.

  • http://deleted Funny…

    I forgot a few:

    Doesn’t have “snap ring” manual focus
    Doesn’t have a lens hood
    Doesn’t have a metal lens hood
    Doesn’t come with free filter
    Doesn’t focus fast enough
    Doesn’t have power zoom
    Is too noisy when focusing
    Is too noisy when zooming
    Doesn’t have everything above and cost $5

    • MarcoSartoriPhoto

      Nobody is complaining yet! 😉

      • http://deleted Funny…

        Because I embarrassed them! :-)

        • jim

          Be nice if you could use it to dive without a lens housing… or use it as an bullet catcher should you need too :)

          No but lets try a few things that all digital lenses/cameras should be including these days – not having a go at any maker just there is a slow utilization of the possibilties…

          Setting for Hyperfocal point (auto calculated at any zoom and apature)
          Setting for distance to focal point (m/cm/mm)
          Setting to define apature buy DOF required (m/cm/mm)
          Live Readout of focus distance.
          Live Readout of lens zoom in mm. (I know EP3 did this, maybe others).
          CA removal and 100% TOTAL distortion correction. (ok this is kinda mostly happening)
          Have user set pre stored focus points (allow a good few) with ability to jump to a spacific or cycle between focus points. (also alow a timed/button initiated transition between focus points with a selection of ease in and out options).
          Have user set pre stored zoom points (allow a good few) with ability to jump to a spacific or cycle between focus points. (also alow a timed/button initiated transition between zoom points with a selection of ease in and out options).
          Definalble focus ranges for camera to AF in.
          MF zoom LV – make it a smooth continuous zoom not just a 7x & 10x (or at very least have 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10x).
          Realtime Highligh/Dark clipping in VF (dunno if this is being done but not on EP1!)

          I know the last 2 are more the way the camera works than lens but its all key usability stuff that seems mostly passed over… and all very in reach…

  • AMVR

    Ohh I’m so getting that lens, even if it’s a kit zoom just the fact that it’s a pancake 12mm is enough for me, that’ll make for a great street combo, even if the rumor about quality were not true kit zooms are fairly decent nowadays it’s just a matter of stopping down the aperture. The only question is price, assuming this is treated like past kit zooms maybe we’re talking close to $300-500 ? If this camera is to be marketed against the RX100 then the whole kit should cost more than the Sony so…In any case I doubt It’ll cost anywhere close to the Oly 12mm prime so that’s good enough and if it actually does, then at least you get a zoom.

  • http://deleted Viezevure

    This looks good. This is the market where M43 can shine. Cheap but better than the competition camera’s at around 500 euro.

  • Bidou

    THIS IS THE GREATEST ZOOM EVER OF THE BEST CAMERA SYSTEM EVER OMG OMG THIS IS SO GOOD I LOVE M43 SO MUCH I COULD KILL FOR A M43 CAMERA OMG.

    PS:ALL THE OTHER CAMERA SYSTEM ESPECIALLY THOSE WITH A BIGGER SENSOR SUCKS

    • admin

      why do some people use CAPS all the way?

      • Anonymous

        Screaming makes one more ‘right’ in the mind of some people.

      • bleater

        Because their mothers didn’t raise them well, now they are socially retarded and can’t exhibit basic good manners

      • MarcoSartoriPhoto

        Writing in that way is also considered unpolite, on the net. I think here it’s a way to attract attention on the comment.

        • Bidou

          BEING A DICK IS ALSO CONSIDERED AS “IMPOLITE”.

          • Mr. Reeee

            And you’ve done quite fine job exposing yourself as one. 😛

            • BIDOU

              CONGRATE MISTER RIIIII, YOU GET THE JOKE

          • Anonymous

            Are you trying to prove your own point or what?

            • stravinsky

              You are eight years old. Go to bed.

              • And…

                …no hot cocoa!

          • MarcoSartoriPhoto

            Bidou, in real life people are considered and judged by their actions: you can lie and act as a dork, and you’ll be a dork. You can say a BS buth then you can proove that you’re a better person. On the web what you write is more than enough to give other people an idea of who you are.

            I’m not saying anything new, it’s just a reminder.

            • BIDOU

              THIS IS A WONDERFULL LIFE LESSON MARCO. I HOPE ONE DAY YOU WILL WRITE A BOOK WITH A LOT ADVICE LIKE THAT BECAUSE WHAT YOU SAY IS EXTRAORDINARY.

              CAN YOU KNOW TELL ME NOW ABOUT YOU LOVE THE CAMERA? I HOPE U LOVE MICRO43.

              • ha

                Hmm, there a caps lock key at the left of your keyboard, try this. If this doesn’t help there should be a button called On/Off. This will surely help, just press once.

                • Mr. Reeee

                  Yes, but he always presses it twice, just to make sure…

              • MarcoSartoriPhoto

                Bidou, you are the guy that calls other people “dork”, maybe you don’t care about it, maybe you are proud of it, who knows. I love photography, m43 is the perfect compromise to me, even though I prefer the rangefinder experience. I’m going to buy a Sony 7(r) but I won’t dump my m43 gear.
                Your anger looks more frustration to me, but it’s not my businness 😉

              • Anonymous

                “CAN YOU KNOW TELL ME”? Can you explain what that means mr Bidou?

        • jim

          Why is CAPS unpolite? What possible offence can you take because somone writes in CPAS??? what they write yes, but not that your screen has caps on it and you dont like em??? Jeez do you have a prefured font, point size and pantone colour required? I would not want to offend.

          • Anonymous

            Jim, as far as I know, since the advent of first social website, if you want to scream you write in capital letters, but it’s not considered polite. I might be wrong, so I will do a little research right now. If I’m wrong, my apologies.

          • MarcoSartoriPhoto

            @jim that’s why. When writing emails became a common thing, one of the first things I’ve been told is that if you want to scream, for whatever reason, you write in capital letters.

            It makes sense.
            In real life I don’t see a lot of people screaming and shouting around.

            http://email.about.com/od/netiquettetips/qt/Writing-In-All-Caps-Is-Like-Shouting.htm

            Personally I don’t like when it’s over used, but people here can do and write whatever they want.

            • jim

              Thing is – caps don’t scream? they just sit there…

              • Anonymous

                Why this insistence on being a socially inept and willfully ignorant, Jim?

                • jim

                  Its not its just sick of pettyness… caps was not used offencively… it was petty mindedness even comenting on their use… it was not used as mr FF uses them…

                  Don’t be so precious…

      • Miroslav

        Faulty keyboard 😉 ?

        • MarcoSartoriPhoto

          No, :) it’s my fault, I was texting while waiting at the red light, in my car! :)

      • AMVR

        Admin, please for the love of all that is good in life, please incorporate some kind of IP blocking Plug-in for wordpress or some other kind of moderation system, this website cannot handle any more trolls as it is, I’ve been posting this en each single thread I’ve participated but haven’t heard your opinion on the matter. I know you have little time but this is an issue of utmost importance. Trolls are killing m43rumors.

    • Tuxfriend

      Please take your meds.

    • kiki

      no one can hear you scream

    • Fafhrd

      In the the space between your ears, no one can here you scream.

      • kiki

        Ripley :love:

      • Anonymous

        But can they “hear” you when you’re “here”?

  • Tuxfriend

    Bundle it with the 20/1.7, sell it for 500 bucks, and I’ll buy it in a heartbeat.

    • http://deleted Anonymous

      And as mentioned above ….do yo want a free unicorn?

      • jim

        Ah yes please – I’ve just run out of red ink for my epson and its waaay more expencive than Unicorn Blood…

  • maxter

    if the price is right this is exactly the lens my used gf3 has been waiting for all year.

  • skol

    Ash, sorry I’m not as clever and educated as you. I thought if it’s so tiny and good perhaps is faster, as it seems to be focused to compete with other fixed lens compacts… be more tolerant and you’ll be happier bro.

    • blohum

      Unfortunately this is the way of the internet…

      • jim

        mostly a load of arse with a few tits hear and there – Thats the internet…

    • Ash

      I apologize for my tone. That was not kind of me.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/33496987@N08/ Ulli

    if you really need an evf on such camera,you could consider a snap on LCD magnifier like the clones ala Zacuto Magnifier; the 2,5x magnification versions especially are very nice ones, and the magnet connection makes removing /attaching a breeze.

  • John

    How do they manage to put a 4/3 sensor in a body similar to the LF1 which has a much smaller 1/7 sensor. The Sony RX100 is a bit larger than the LF1 and its 1 inch sensor (much bigger than the LF1) is smaller than the rumored GM1…Would be really great if true..

    • kiki

      Technology progress.

      RX1 is small also and it’s FF sensor. RX1 is like an GF2, same size, so why not?

      • Anonymous

        Meh, I own ‘full frame’ 35mm film cameras that are as small or even smaller then that RX1 (take a look at things like the Minox 35s, or a host of jeans-pocketable fixed prime compacts from Ricoh, Fuji, Olympus and the like). Making a fixed lens wide-angle ‘full frame’ camera small has been possible for decades. Now make one with interchangeable lenses, and see if you can have a lens + body combination that remains this small, especially with an anywhere decent performing zoom lens.

        • m112

          +1. NEX FF didn’t even try, are just going for f/4.0 zooms, which is 1 stop away from defeating the purpose of FF!

  • Bobafett

    OMG! I never expected photography to be so ruinous! First there is the zuiko 12-40mm 2.8 which imho is a must have. Yesterday I read about the slr magic anamorphic 1.33x 50 adapter which I’ve been waiting for a while. Today there’s this little pana zoom made of metal which could be interestin an fun! Anyway why am I complaining!? These are exciting times for m43 users :)

    • Bobafett

      @ Admin

      Why is my comment awaiting moderation? I’m neither insulting anybody nor am I being rude.

      regards from a frequent follower :)

      • http://www.flickr.com/photos/33496987@N08/ Ulli

        moderation happens alot for unknown reasons

        • Bobafett

          Ok. Terima kasih!

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/33496987@N08/ Ulli

            kembali :-)

  • Narretz

    Many “controlled” rumors these days, because they only stress the good parts while the so-so parts are kept under wraps. If somebody can test the image quality of the lens and conclude it’s the best kit lens, they should also know the aperture. I guess it’s 3.5 – 5.6 or 4.8 – 6.7.

    • Anonymous

      The zoom range is so short I’d guess the aperture range is also smaller. I’m betting on f/3.5 – 4.5, or maybe 5.0, not 5.6

      But we’ll find out for sure in a few days.

    • BNN

      f2.8-4.0 😉

    • cts63

      I bet f/4.0 – 6.3

  • I HOPE IT HAS THE ACCESORY PORT

    An option to add the VF2 to a hotshoe would be a plus to this camera.

    • Mr. Reeee

      +1000
      This would be killer!

    • And…

      VF2=Olympus. No fit.
      LVF2=Panasonic. Fit.

      • ACTUALLY, THATS WHAT IM MEANT, THANKS FOR THE CORRECTION

        The LVF2 can have a second life with this camera.

        • Phred

          Thanks for your cheesy big type where your name should be…. Can you just cut the Sh#t and act like an adult and join the conversation.

          • Mr. Reeee

            GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!

            😉

            • Phred

              Well…if he can act like a neighbor…then he can hang out on the lawn! LOL! I’m tryin.

              • Crap

                What are you “tryin”? Teenager forum English as a foreign language?

          • NO. THIS IS WHAT I DO…

            Some people deal with it, you should try it… And I have been contributing.

            I can also care less about your lawn, by the way….

            • jim

              Yeh its a crap lawn… its got keep off the grass signs all over it… Park your tank on it!

  • http://www.43rumors.com/members/bbking/ bbking

    Hi ADMIN!

    Do you know if the pop-up flash can be bent, like to E-PL1, to bounce? I really liked that about the E-PL1.

    • http://deleted Anonymous

      Assuming it has a pop-up flash aren’t you?

      • Miroslav

        Well, all Panasonics have them, don’t they? And all newer RF shaped bodies have flashes that can be bent backwards.

      • http://www.43rumors.com/members/bbking/ bbking

        Yep! 😛

  • _gl

    The zoom sounds promising, if the IQ is decent (as was said, 14mm prime IQ would work for me.

  • steve

    another full plastics camera by panasonic… Olympus for real photographers who likes real camera and panasonic for point an shoot lover ala coolpix cybershot lumix. Great system!

    • WTF??

      What a spectacularly ignorant and pathetic Olympus fan-boy you are! Did you even consider that Olympus also make plastic body cameras, or that Panasonic are marketing this to a different consumer than the metal bodied GX7? No, of course you didn’t because as you’ve shown, you’re a complete moron!

      • WELCOME TO 43RUMORS.. SANCTUM OF THE RABID OLYMPUS FANBOY

        I’m astonished the amount of Hate Panasonic gets from Olympus Fanboys, when all Panasonic did was help Olympus, while Olympus made shady moves, at the same time, ripping off their Blind Fanbase.

      • You fall for it everytime

        He’s quite obviously a troll.
        As FF trolling does not work they can get the Olympus and Panny users at each other’s throats by posting comments like this.
        Don’t fall for it

    • Anonymous

      “another full plastics camera by panasonic… Olympus for real photographers who likes real camera and panasonic for point an shoot lover ala coolpix cybershot lumix. Great system!”

      Not only are you a fanboi, but you’re an illiterate fanboi. The rumor mill says this is of magnesium construction, and the zoom of metal build.

      Next time, try actually reading (if you can), before you embarrass yourself again.

    • http://deleted Frye

      Who said it was going to be made of plastic? Or was that just something you made up – in order to be as obnoxious as your tiny little intelligence will allow?

  • http://www.43rumors.com/members/dummy00001/ Dummy00001

    “[…] it is also the highest built and image quality of all standard kit zooms on the mirrorless market!”

    The save was said about the 14-42X. Just saying. And the “peak” IQ of the 14-42X isn’t that bad. It’s just the IQ is inconsistent from the shot to shot.

    • Mr. Reeee

      Yep. The 14-42mm II is much better than the PZ version. AND $100 cheaper.

      • And…

        The original 14-45mm has best IQ AND a metal lens mount. Best of the lot.

        • Narretz

          It’s also still in production!

          • Phred

            REALLY?
            I thought you could only buy it used.

        • http://deleted Frye

          Still surprises me what it’s capable of.

  • michael

    If that little zoom is really that good, it will definitely buy it (better than the 14-45? hard to believe!). I will actually prefer it over the 12-40, because of the compact size. It will be a perfect fit for my e-m5 (without grip) as the always-with-you camera (together with a 45/1.8 in a pocket this is just PERFECT).

  • Anonymous

    I wonder if it’s a power zoom, like the X.

    • http://www.43rumors.com/members/avenger/ Aven Ger

      Nope, not powerzoom.

    • cts63

      Maybe “a la” Fuji XF1 mechanism.

  • http://www.43rumors.com/members/avenger/ Aven Ger

    This little lens shows great potential. Since it is supposed to compete with the RX100, here’s hoping it has a slightly higher default aperture than other kit zooms. f2.8 at 12mm would be nice, but it’s more likely to be the more standard f3.5.

    I’m hoping the average IQ is similar to the Lumix 14mm prime which is good, but not outstanding. Then it would probably replace that lens on my camera as an ultra portable, walkaround lens.

    The original 14-42X was too big for my tastes and the IQ was not particularly good so I ignored it.

    • Anonymous

      It’s more likely to have a slightly smaller aperture than a standard kit zoom as it will be difficult (and expensive) to make something that small with a larger aperture.

  • Milt

    It looks like this lens will not only be a great kit lens, but the only relatively inexpensive m4/3rds 12mm lens. Not a prime of course, but intriguing none the less. It will be interesting to learn more about it. And it comes with a great small camera body attached to it.

    • Milt

      I forgot the Olympus 12-50mm kit.

  • Steve

    I can’t see it being the same thickness as the LF1 once you add a lens. ILCs will always be thicker than fixed lens cameras.

  • Anonymous

    I like this board cause it exposes me to Europeans and I see they are every bit as foolish and petty as Americans. Still wish I lived in Europe. But America is okay to. Is the lens gonna have OIS and what about the video capabilities.

    • Anonymous

      Teenagers and prepubescent boys are the same everywhere. There are a few adults posting as well though

  • Anonymous

    Please tell me the price of this camera will drop a lot by Christmas- I can’t afford RX100.

    • Sense

      Get yourself a Canon SL100 and keep the rest of the money for manual flashes and photo books.

      • Anonymous

        That’s really a Non-Sense response!

  • http://www.flickriver.com/photos/photography-by-thomas/ TheEye

    “The 12-32mm is made of all metal!”

    It’s a pin hole lens! 😛

    • ha

      The first zooming pinhole, that’s a real step forward. But it’ll be f128 to f256 :-(

    • dav

      Good catch!

      Pinhole is an optically perfect design, with its only aberration being CA which can be easily correct in software. So clearly this will be sharper than any other (kit or not-kit) lens.

      Too bad that they are f/128 at best…

  • Anonymous

    Panna sources had been claiming the best of this and the best of that in the rumors that they gave out but… Will the kit lens be really that good?

    • Steve

      And will the GM1 really be that much smaller than the GF3? Unless then can come up with a ingenious solution for the mount then the difference in size will be minimal at best.

  • QQ

    Wow very curious about new 12 mm! I need that range, but my brain won’t let e buy 12-40 mm. I hope this one will suit me!

  • beaker

    Question for Admin. Have you seen any actual pictures of it yet? Are we likely to get a teaser before Thursday?

    • admin

      I haven’t seen the camera yet but I am confident that I will find a picture soon…

      • beaker

        Can’t wait! I am addicted to this site. Keep up the great work!

  • LOOKS LIKE PANASONIC IS ON A ROLL…

    Small, Compact, Image Quality, Price…

    Show them how it’s done, Panasonic.

    • jim

      + Good video…. :)

  • Anonimous

    Any word on stabilization? Lens or in-body?

  • Tommy

    Small sensor and low megapixel count:( Not a RX100 killer:(

    • Ash

      Uh, the RX100 has an even smaller sensor and even less megapixels.

      Your comment is senseless.

      • Tommy

        Isn’t it just 12 megapixel? Rx100 has 20.

        • Milt

          16

        • Anonymous

          Umm, can’t you read? It’s been reported already that it’s the same sensor as the GX7.

      • Ash

        meant: ‘more megapixels’.

  • bousozoku

    It’s good to see someone working on wider lenses for micro Four-Thirds since telephoto is so easy and wide so difficult.

    I guess now we have to ask why the 14mm f/2.5 is so large, especially with the smaller aperture.

  • Al

    I hope that it has an actual mode dial, if this supposed to compete with the RX100.

  • Anonymous

    The mode dial is probably the least important control for me. How often do you really switch between A, S or P modes?

    • Ash

      “How often do you really switch between A, S or P modes?”

      All the time. They are very useful shortcuts.

      You can have S mode at a certain shutter speed, A at a certain aperture and P if you want something in the middle.

      This way of working is much faster than spinning the aperture from f/1.8 to f/8

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