(FT5) Panasonic GH3 with new 16 Megapixel “Wide Dynamic Range” sensor. 12.800 ISO and 72mbit/s in video.

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According to two of our best sources the new Panasonic GH3 has a new 16 megapixel sensor. It is not the same of the Panasonic G5! Panasonic defined this as a “Wide Dynamic Range” sensor. As we know from past we have to see soem real test before to know if that is just a “marketing slogan” or a real major improvement. One source said firmware is not final but the dynamic range increase looks like to be more in the shadows than in the highlights. ISO goes up to 12.800.

Both sources said this is the definitely best hybrid stills&video camera they have ever seen. And they were so kind to give me the detailed bitrate: The GH3 can do “All-I 72 Mbps“.

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  • TomR

    Olympus also advertised their new sensor as better dynamic range. Hmmm

    • mpgxsvcd

      Looks like EOS HD was right. It has high bit rate all Intra. That is great and the sensor sounds great as well. I am buying one for sure on the day it comes out.

      Also getting the 35-100mm F2.8. That is a heck of a combination.

      • Duarte Bruno

        I still favor non full intra patches. In my eyes you will still get amazing IQ at two to three times less bitrate. I prefer a better balance with less space, less issues with SD cards and more recording time.

        Now I just hope Panasonic were smart enough to keep this one as hackable as the other ones before it. 🙂
        The cult will follow, I’m sure!

        • Pat

          The last one wasn’t “hackable” by choice, it was just hacked.

        • Esa Tuunanen

          Yep, while heavy editing doing video professionals might hail AVC intra as second coming of Jesus for normal uses its just complete waste of space by needing to store same duplicate data over and over for every frame.

          As Vitaliy has shown good quality inter frame and intra frame modes are just question of settings in software so both can well exist in same camera.

    • io

      Maybe it’s the same sensor! 😀
      GH3 with a Sony sensor! xD

      Coooooool.

      Just joking ^_^

    • For those of us in the U.S., just as important as the “GH3” specs is whether or not Panasonic U.S. has totally, utterly, completely improved their ability to actually ship the new model to end user customers, in large quantities, <45 days after the Photokina announcement.

      Panasonic U.S. failed miserably in this regard with both the GH1 & GH2. It would be nice if they actually have plenty of cameras available in U.S. brick & mortar shops & "U.S." online dealers _soon_ after the camera's announcement. Not 60-120 days afterwards as has been the case previously.

      It's cool that GH1 & GH2 availability was better in many other countries other than the U.S.; I don't have a problem with that. However, I do have a problem with the apparent incompetence of Panasonic U.S.

      We shall see …

      Cheers.

      P.S.: Back in April 2012 I pre-ordered a Blackmagic Cinema Camera to replace my GH2 for most video productions. Depending on the features, price & availability of a new body-only "GH3" I might get one mostly to continue using my m43 lenses. But for 25p, 24p & 30p video, the more expensive BMCC with its uncompressed 12-bit RAW 2.5K video, and 4:2:2 10-bit 220-megabit/sec 1080p ProRes HQ & DNxHD video will be far better quality than "GH3" — as it should, because the BMCC costs more. If the "GH3" features decent 1080p60 that will be a welcome bonus.

  • gadge

    yep…

  • Multi aspect?

  • Ed

    admin, we know you got the em-5 (silver?). does the gh3 interest you enough to get it?

  • IcelandicBunny

    I am geting excited about this new camera and will decide after Photokina whether to sell my GH2 and upgrade to the GH3 – if the improvements are big enough. I use it mainly for video, so I wonder if all intraframe 72 Mbps means hacks won’t be needed…

    • Duarte Bruno

      I’m sure the hacks will still be valuable. Lately thay have been progressively less about bitrate and much more about IQ.

      • Pat

        in the future, Im hoping that it wont be such a crap shoot to guessing which presets to go for. I have been on again, off again hacking. it just didn’t seem worth the trouble.

  • Gabb3r

    Awesome news, can’t wait to see real-life results though.

  • matt

    I hope that sharpness and color will be better than on the gh2, Hope it won´t be a silly small increasing in DR , that could be achieved by some film mode with flat curves,
    I would like to have 24mpix for those clinical sharp m4/3 lenses or 16mpix with at least level of 5Dm II sharpness

    hope the 72mbit is 1080/50p with 4:2:2 8/10bit

    and 16mpix multiaspect?
    I hope panny has some good technology in its sleeves because I don´t want to sacrifice sharpness for a silly 1stop of DR

    • Duarte Bruno

      As things are standing, I would happily give away 16MP vs 20MP for 1EV extra DR. Hell, I’d even settle fine for 12MP if it meant +2EV.

      Seriously, I’m guessing the sensor is similar to the G5/GH2. But since there’ a new electronic shutter available I wouldn’t be surprised if there was a HDR mode in the camera that seamlessly stacked under/over exposures.

      THAT is the new s**t for me.

      • Forget it, no camera can take “seamlessly” consecutive shootings. The only solution is to modify the gradation curve, but this surely means worse S/N performance.

        So it’s likely that the sensor really has improved DR.

        • Duarte Bruno

          I wouldn’t forget it!

          The GH2 does it already @4MP / 40fps.
          If they made the electronic shutter available in regular photo modes, I can’t see why not…

  • Yun

    Brilliant move by Pana with new sensor .
    I don’t expect Pana to beat Sony in sensor performance but at least make it a very very close call . The race in mirrorless is getting hot !
    It will be even nice if Pana can produced a 18 megapixels sensor in it’s future products .
    What about a rangefinder L style camera with this new sensor ?

  • Evilbobo

    One question remains – price.
    I live in Ireland, so weather-sealed is reason enough to buy.
    Dynamic range in the shadows – then just drop the Exposure a few notches 🙂 But this sounds like they’ve done a lot of work on reducing ISO noise.

    I’m still on G2, so there’s no trade-off.

  • who

    Panasonic rumors. What about Olympus? Any Pen specs?

    • ozymandias

      can you just let us have our slice too? It’s all been olympus rumors for 5 months now.

      • Mr. Reeee

        ++++∞
        No kidding!

        The GH3 is sounding more interesting by the rumor… 😉

  • peevee

    “New”, but still 16 mpix? Not the same as in G5, while in G5 is not the same as in GX1? New every time? Yeah, right.

    • 6u6u6

      The Olympus nutters think that Olympus has had 6 different 12MP sensors

    • napilopez

      The one is in the *G5* is not the same as the GX1. It’s based off of the GH2 sensor, likely modified with processing tweaks. The GH series have always been the flagships with sensor technology, so I wouldn’t be surprised if that were the case with the GH2. Even the GH1 had a better sensor than any of the 12MP sensors until, arguably, the GF5.

      • peevee

        If G5 has the sensor from GH2, it is years behind in high ISO performance.

  • Any wider dynamic range is welcome! If they managed to achieve low shadow/read noise like on Sony sensors, it would be perfect! Having true blacks that can be pushed in post without worrying too much about the degradation that accompanies it… awesome.

    And Kudos for sticking to a reasonable resolution! (even Sony understood it partly)

  • Anonymous

    Still no IBIS with Panny, no interest.

    • n457

      +1
      waste of money without body stabilization

      • Kobe

        IBIS & increased dynamic range in the highlights

      • Yeah, for the 1 shot in about 500 where the conditions are met that I wish I had IS in a non stabilized lens: It ain’t just a waste of money, its a crime to humanity, its a natural catastrophy!

        Oh wait. Again, a glitch in a non holy grail…

        • roger48

          HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU NEED TO HEAR IT, PANASONIC DO NOT DO IBIS!

          If you do not like it, buy a different camera.

          • aqasem

            Not sure about their x900 has 5-axes hybrid stabilization. maybe it’s lense IS + digital. But that might be great for handy video.

          • It doesn’t have to have IBIS, but at least some kind of body stabilization. Why Panasonic add stabilization to shit P&S cameras where people don’t care, and not cheap CSC is without stabilization??? For non-stabilized lenses it’s quite important, especially for video.

          • I know I know..

            I hope I don’t have to explain that I was being a little sarcastic 😉

        • 2edddd

          Agreed ,Jules if there was ever an over hyped feature it is IS .With its only real gain being a slow shutter speed shot of a static subject where there are no options to use any kind of exterior support. Which considering how small many of the mFT cameras are especially when used with a prime the support could be as small as a bean bag or gorilla pod. It has long been a wildly hyped topic for the Olympus aficionados

          • Esa Tuunanen

            > Which considering how small many of the mFT cameras are especially when used with a prime the support could be as small as a bean bag or gorilla pod.
            Frog perspective works badly in many uses and who wants to carry pole for having something to which attach gorillapod.

            And if there’s something to use as platform or vertical support stabilization would help also when supporting hands to that object.

        • Esa Tuunanen

          Not everyone photographs in midday sunlight.

          For example in lots of nature photography sunrise and time just before sunset are best times because of more diffuse softer light.

          Also film era tech lens based stabilization can’t counter rotation meaning no chance for Pentax astro tracing like function. Possibility for using many times longer exposure time without stars blurring to trails would be very usefull.
          I recently tried photographing milky way with GH2 and its long exposures especially at higher ISOs suffer from serious banding.
          (live bulb feature would be have been usefull in that)

          • Anonymous

            Not everyone photographs in midday sunlight.

            You are of course correct but a look through any of the huge online photo sites such as Flickr etc , will very quickly demonstrate just how many shots are taking in decent light or using flash . Thus the scenarios where IS of any flavour are truly useful make up a fraction of shooting conditions which basically boils down to static subjects in relatively low light with no possibility of any external camera support

            For example in lots of nature photography sunrise and time just before sunset are best times because of more diffuse softer light.

            Unless your nature subject is static, there is no gain, and I am pretty sure there is no ban on tripods, monopods , bean bags , gorilla pods etc out in the wild , many of which are lightweight and easily carried . Thankfully we do not have to support large FF lenses and bodies.

            Also film era tech lens based stabilization can’t counter rotation meaning no chance for Pentax astro tracing like function. Possibility for using many times longer exposure time without stars blurring to trails would be very usefull.

            The only way to have longer exposures without stars blurring to trails is by using an equatorial mount , are you seriously suggesting that any form of in camera or in lens IS could do this job

            I recently tried photographing milky way with GH2 and its long exposures especially at higher ISOs suffer from serious banding.
            (live bulb feature would be have been usefull in that)

            Why assuming you exposed the image at the correct combination of aperture and shutter speed to achieve your goal , how exactly would live bulb have changed that. The only thing that would give a significant advanatge would be a better or larger and better sensor.

  • P-mon

    GH2 has multi-aspect ratio 18MPix sensor of which 16MPix can be used in one picture. I’m sure GH3 has a multi-aspect ratio sensor, too (this is useful for the 16:9 video). I guess it is a 18MPix sensor with 16MPix effectively in use.

    • Exactly; if the GH3 sensor continues to be multi-aspect like the GH1 and GH2 sensor were, this can’t be the same sensor as the one in the G5. How different it is in terms of image quality remains to be seen.

      • napilopez

        Although I’m 90% sure the sensor will be new because the GH series has always had new sensors, keep in mind the G5 sensor is actually also large enough to be multi-aspect. it’s 18 megapixels with 16 megapixels being used. The difference is panasonic is disabling the multi-aspect features for some reason.

      • peevee

        Actualle, there were reports that G5 uses a bigger sensor than is required for 4/3 format, i.e. multi-aspect sensor without multiaspect functionality enabled.

        • You’re correct; according to Panasonic the G5 uses a sensor with 18.31 megapixels which is incidentally also the exact same number of megapixels quoted for the GH2’s sensor.

  • danyyyel

    At least we see some sense. No more pixel race and concentrate on other important things like better ISO but more so better DR. For video it would need only a 10 bit codec for the gh3 to be perfect.

  • Brod1er

    I can’t yet see much of interest for the stills photographer although the video specs look tasty. The new sensor had to perform better given the old sensor is two years old and significantly outperformed by the OMD. I find multi aspect useful on my GH, but the OMD has so many other strengths that I see myself switching unless there is something that advances the game for stills. What about the rumours of big improvements in EVF and AF speed?
    Admin, what else can you tell us?????????????????????????

    • gvfsss

      I can’t yet see much of interest for the stills photographer although the video specs look tasty. The new sensor had to perform better given the old sensor is two years old and significantly outperformed by the OMD

      If by “significantly outperformed” you mean one stop of DR and one stop of noise in which case the E-M5 is “significantly outperformed” by every Nikon, Sony and Pentax camera using the 16mp Sony sensor.

    • danyyyel

      If it gets better DR, better low light, better build, better evf, better focus, I don’t know what you mean by not significant improvement for still photography. All these things that are strongly rumored are as good for photo side than for video.

      • Brod1er

        I think we are having a furious agreement! If there are significant improvements in AF speed/EVF etc then there is a stronger case for the GH3. We need to have more FT5 info on these. These features will need to take a leap ahead of the OMD to offer something different to the purchaser compared to the OMD’s USPs (IBIS, quiet shutter, DR etc). Recent claims of faster AF have been insignificant – remember the GX1 offered 0.09 sec AF compared to the 0.10 of the GH2. Things that make you go hmmmmmmmmmm.

  • Ross

    So they are using a Sony sensor then? 😉

  • Sqweezy

    Hoping this will be the best m43 sensor yet. The big question is at what price?… With rumors of a full frame, video-centric Nikon D600 for an estimated $1,500, the GH3 is going to have to bring some major value at a lower price to stay competitive. I hope the real-world results will still keep Panasonic in the game. I hope the kit with the 12-35mm f/2.8 X lens will sell for $2,000. Anything more than $2,500 will be a tough sell.

  • chris

    The DR of the GH2 is terrible, I would hope that’s a focus. The banding in the highlights and shadows is so bad compared to the EM5 (and I know its a superior Sony sensor) I sold mine after getting the OMD. I would hope there’s also an emphasis on cleaning up lower ISO rather than trying to keep up with other’s max ISO’s as the GH2 is awfully noisy above 800. I’d also rather see 10-bit 4:2:2 over some super high bitrate without vastly improved color space and DR.

    But what I’m most hopeful for is that this will start to steal a little of the EM5’s thunder – with Olympus responding by improving the video capabilities of the EM5, namely a higher bitrate and enabling the IBIS with legacy glass. The IBIS in the EM5 is so superior to the lens based OS, its going to be hard to give up. Or – maybe Panasonic will also make a Sony VG type camcorder with the GH3’s internals rather than the overpriced and clunky AF100.

    • Chris

      I agree. The E-M5’s IBIS is a killer feature. Oly has to take it to Pany in video—it can and has nothing to lose.

      • chris

        YES! I’m amazed at how good the 17mbit video the EM5 produces really is, if it just got a little boost, 24p and legacy glass support, it could be a real stunner. The EM5’s sensor has great IQ and the DR is so far ahead of the rest of the m43 field, its just so close to being a near perfect camera. Sadly I think top-end video is being withheld for the rumored “Pro” OMD camera.

        • I don’t mind paying more for better video. Oly has no high video cam to protect, so they really have an opportunity of building an ultimate hybrid.

    • Anonymous

      2,000 will be a tough as well

    • P4INKiller

      Chris, I’m not sure what you’re doing wrong, but the GH2 hasn’t got terrible DR as most seem to think.
      Most information is stored in the darker parts of the image; the secret is to crank the bitrate up to the point where it will not turn these areas muddy.

      Noise is a subjective thing.
      I think the noise on the GH2 is very filmic, which gives it an advantage over other DSLRs for video.

      • chris

        No bitrate can overcome the poor tonal gradation the GH2 exhibits due to the lack of DR compared to some other cameras – the EM5 and Nex5n are far better in that regard. I compared them with identical adapted lenses and the results showed me the GH2 wasn’t up to the task for my needs. The transitions between tones was just unacceptable for me – especially from light to dark on faces and in the highlights and shadows. I shoot for broadcast, not Youtube. That’s just my experiences. YMMV.

  • st3v4nt

    I’m just curious about the price especially with 12-35 X lens. How high can they go?

  • Really hope this is true. If the GH3 has better dynamic range than the OMD then that’s pretty much the obly thing that will sway me from getting an OMD. Recently been sjooring a G1 with the 7-14mm and the results were useless in terms of DR.

    Christian
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/purecinema

    • gvfsss

      christian , those shots are in the field of HDR

  • bb

    Sounds nice, but 72 Mbps is not enough for intraframe compression…

    • mpgxsvcd

      I agree that 72 mb/sec probably isn’t sufficient for Intra. However, I also think that 45 mb/sec with b-frames is a better option. Hopefully, it has both.

      • Duarte Bruno

        I’m with you. And we can’t forget that we’ll have 1080p60 now. For a full intra codec it will need twice the bitrate. So if what we’re getting is comparable to 1080p30 @ 36Mbps it’s still very short of a good hack. 🙁

        I hope you are right or that it can be hacked soon.

        • Sean Nelson

          1080p60 does NOT require twice the bitrate of 1080p30, because there’s only half as much motion between successive frames. This means the codec doesn’t have to record as much information. Yes, it’s more than 1080p30, but to get equivalent quality doesn’t require twice as much data.

          • Esa Tuunanen

            While inter frame compression can increase its efficiency when change between individual frames is smaller same doesn’t apply to intra frame compression which needs to store same data separately for every single frame.

            • Milt

              Eh?

              • ulli

                video tech stuff for the serious videographer 🙂

    • MJr

      Better than anything else in this price range maybe at least ?

  • Paul Alexander

    I can’t wait to get my hands on the first M43 Hassy form factor camera.It’s what I’ve been lobbying for for 3 years. Silly of Canon/Nikon not to have figured this out. Sony has a lead but is obviously going to do well with S35 and larger cameras. I’m a bit surprised there was no poll questions that addressed audio I/O. Pros MUST think of audio as being just as important and video. So I would have added:
    – 1.4″ standard audio jacks + awesome on-board pre-amp

    You can’t call it pro’ if id doesn’t at least have this 🙂

  • Achim

    Very good news!
    Along with what seems to become part of the package – weather sealed metal body, vastly improved EVF, higher burst speed, etc. I’ll be very curious how the GH3 will compete against the E-M5. I’m currently using a GH2 and since the firmware update it has become a good camera but the image quality is not as good as it should be for Pana’s top model. Could well be my next camera….

    @peevee: Do you seriously believe it would be possible to stay in business in this highly competitive industry with a 2 year old sensor that is just slightly made over? You must be kidding 😉

  • julius

    Dear Achim: this is only rumor, and not news…..

    • mister_Roboto

      … this is a rumor site,not a news site

      • Achim

        I know. But FT5 is a bit more than just a rumor, wouldn’t you agree?

        • julius

          maybe…..

      • julius

        Yes, this is a rumor side. Hence i wrote that, it was not news.

        • Achim

          Oh really, it is? Tell me something I didn’t know before!!

          • julius

            Peace Achim, peace….. Make love, not war….please.

            • Achim

              Amen 😉

  • VJVIS

    GH2 already has 12800 ISO. This is not new in GH3. The news seems to suggest that it is higher in GH3. Either that or the author is disappointed that it stays at 12800.

    I would really like to keep the multi-aspect sensor. I would be very disappointed if they changed that. Same with the current flip out LCD.

    Love the video news.

    • GH2 has already ISO 12’800, but without Hack not for Video (only 3200).

      So, there are not many Situations, you need more than ISO 12800.
      Of Course, ISO 51200 would be great.

      But better ISO 12’800-Performance is more important than higher ISO.

      I hope in a great better Performance at ISO 1600-12800.
      And 1080p50 and so on.

      i like the GH3 and will buy it for sure in December.
      (GH1 November 2009, GH2 December 2010, GH3 December 2012).

      • VJVIS

        I stand corrected. I agree with cleaner ISO as well.

        I am going to buy it as well. Own the GH2, but definitely will get the GH2.

  • BB

    Why buy this and return to a wobbly handheld video?

    Who cares about the the bitrate if your videos are an unstable jello-like mess.

    Get the OMD, the steady cam of consumer video.

    • CobyB

      Or you could simply avoid wobbling your camera around so much. (Cheap solution, and your viewers will thank you for it).

      • uberzone

        Kind of a moot point since the OMD doesn’t stabilize manual focus lenses, which are preferred by cinematographers, in video mode.

    • P4INKiller

      If you have to rely on IBIS in order to avoid shooting an “unstable jello-like mess”, I would say you’re doing something wrong.

      • aqasem

        why do you think that ?

  • Pat

    I know its an FT5 (the All-i) but I’ll believe it when I see it.

  • bhanu

    All “new gen” panasonic sensors are 16 MPixels and go up to 12800 (GX1, G5). Makes me wonder if this rumor is true, does it mean we get the same basic sensor with a new venus engine?

  • BLI

    This sounds like a great camera. Since I bought the E-M5 just 3 months ago and am very happy with it, I will not change camera for some time (some years?), but it is very good with competition to drive progress.

  • Milt

    Appreciate the technical discussion, at least some of which I don’t understand. Now for a simple question: will it be a GH3 or a GH5?

  • For those of us in the U.S., just as important as the “GH3″ specs is whether or not Panasonic U.S. has totally, utterly, completely improved their ability to actually ship the new model to end user customers, in large quantities, <45 days after the Photokina announcement.

    Panasonic U.S. failed miserably in this regard with both the GH1 & GH2. It would be nice if they actually have plenty of cameras available in U.S. brick & mortar shops & "U.S." online dealers _soon_ after the camera's announcement. Not 60-120 days afterwards as has been the case previously.

    It's cool that GH1 & GH2 availability was better in many other countries other than the U.S.; I don't have a problem with that. However, I do have a problem with the apparent incompetence of Panasonic U.S.

    We shall see …

    Cheers.

    P.S.: Back in April 2012 I pre-ordered a Blackmagic Cinema Camera to replace my GH2 for most video productions. Depending on the features, price & availability of a new body-only "GH3" I might get one mostly to continue using my m43 lenses. But for 25p, 24p & 30p video, the more expensive BMCC with its uncompressed 12-bit RAW 2.5K video, and 4:2:2 10-bit 220-megabit/sec 1080p ProRes HQ & DNxHD video will be far better quality than "GH3" — as it should, because the BMCC costs more. If the "GH3" features decent 1080p60 that will be a welcome bonus. For those curious, BMCC info is here:
    http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagiccinemacamera/

    • What lens do you use with the BMCC? I understand the crop factor is 2.4, a bit more than M43. Do you have a lot of attachments for the BMCC? DVXuser says it’s not run-n-gun or doc. I don’t do features, but hell with “following the rules.”

      • @marsupial2go

        Folks have been shooting run’n gun, doc-style (and every other kind of production) for many decades using an extremely wide variety of video cameras, formats, lenses, and accessories.

        The new $2995 BMCC is now another camera to consider. It’s specs are on BMD’s website, and it’s being intensively discussed right now due to its general release expected any day. In the past few days a small number of pre-release review units just started going out to reviewers, so a flood of new info is now starting to appear online.

        The BMCC’s crop factor is about 1.6 compared to S35 motion picture cameras, and about 2.3 compared to a full-frame digital still camera. The first comparison is perhaps the more meaningful one for filmmakers.

        So, for example, mounted on a BMCC the FOV of a Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 DSLR zoom lens at its wide end is about the same as a 18.5mm lens on a S35 camera. This is typically the widest FOV used in most movies & TV shows. If that’s not wide enough, one might use the slower but wider Sigma 8-16mm DSLR zoom lens for a FOV comparable to an 13mm lens on a S35 cam. These are both rectilinear lenses, not fisheyes. There are many other lenses, including cinema-style primes, that can be used on a BMCC.

        I like that the BMCC appears to handle most camera basics extremely well. I might use the BMCC’s 12-bit RAW capability occasionally, but for me its ProRes HQ (10-bit 4:2:2 @ 220 megabits/sec.) and near 13-stop latitude promise to be so much better than any other cam anywhere near the price. Plus the BMCC also includes fantastic software: Davinci Resolve, UltraScope & Media Express.

        For sure, at $3K the BMCC is far more expensive than the likely list price for the forthcoming “GH3”, and each has it’s own strengths & weaknesses. It’s all good.

        Some BMCC-related links:
        http://www.blackmagicdesign.com/products/blackmagiccinemacamera/
        http://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/
        http://www.bmcuser.com/
        http://johnbrawley.wordpress.com/
        http://prolost.com/blog/2012/8/22/blackmagic-cinema-camera.html

  • Question:
    There is a AG-AC90 comming from Panasonic.
    It cost 2250$ or 2100€ and will be available on October.

    It has 3 CMOS-Sensors, 1/4.1″.

    So Questions: When using the modernest Technology from a Coorparation like Panasonic, which one will giving me better Picture-QUality, especially in Low-Light and High-Iso?

    a) 3x 1/4.1″ (about 0.25″, 2.1 MP)
    b) 1x 4/3″ (about 1.33″, 16 MP)

    I’m not sure if i should buy GH3 oder AG-AF90…

    • some guy

      It depends on what you are trying to do. The smaller sensor camcorder won’t have rolling shutter issues, and it will likely have very good image stabilization. This means it will be excellent for handheld work and/or filming moving subjects, where the GH3 would not work nearly as well. As for low light, I really couldn’t say, although I suspect the GH3 with improved dynamic range would be better.

      • Thanks for the Answer, some guy.

        What i’m doing with my Camera:
        -> Making a little Amateur-Movie with some friends;
        -> Filming and photographing interessing things around me (Clouds, Peoples, Animals);
        -> Documenting political Demonstrations (also sometimes from far away and at night).

        So, the perfect Image-QUality is not important for me.
        But the best possible Image-Quality in Low-Light-Situations with ISO 3200 or 12800 (when needing faster Shutterspeed).

        You think the GH3 can be better in low light.
        But the Camcorder is also a new Product, so i hope for also not to much noises at higher ISOs.

        • danyyyel

          In your case the gh3 should be much better. In this case more chip does not mean better when they are much much much smaller. The DSLR are known to be much better in low light because they have much bigger chip. You have a choice of lens than can open quite a lot like the 20mm 1.7 or even much more like the voiglander .095. So if you want to film mostly in low light, waiting for this gh3 would be much better. I will require a little bit more discipline, but the capabilities are much better.

      • CobyD

        That new Pany camcorder has a fast lens (f1.5) and a tiny sensor, which are good and bad, respectively, for low light capability. It will probably be better in low light than a GH3 with a cheap f3.5 zoom, and worse than a Gh3 with an expensive wide-aperture prime.

        • Do we know, if the AG-AF90 has constant aperture of F1.5?

          When this is so, then i will buy it, because on the GH3 , you will not find a constant Aperture with 1.5.
          Even if the Low-Light is on GH3 better (on same ISO), lets say 1 Stop.

          When GH3 ISO 12800 is as good as ISO 6400 on AG-AF90 (from the Noise and Details), but on GH3 the highest Zoom will be F2.8, and on AG-AF90 F1.5 (is it constant or not?), even then the AF90 would be better.
          (Because let’s say it’s so dark, that the GH3 needs
          1/50 sec., Iso 6400, Aperture 2.8. At the same time, AF-AG90 would use
          1/50 sec., ISO 2000, Aperture 1.5.)

          Hm, what you think of this?
          I’m not using Zoom the whole day, but on Demonstrations it can be helpfull.

          So these are my Options:
          a. Buy GH3 alone. Costs me maybe 1’200-1’500$.
          b. Buy GH3 and the 35-100/2.8. Costs me about 2’200-2’500$.
          c. Sell GH2 and all my Lenses (45mm/1.8, 14-140/4.0-5.8, 20/1.7 and manual Canon 85/1.8), i will get maybe 1’000-1’500$. And buy the AF-AG90 for 2’200-2’500$ (in Switzerland).
          This would be cost me 1’000$ of may own Money.
          But i could not come back to m4/3 so easy, because i don’t have the Lenses…

          Is there a good Forum, where i can ask this Question?

    • Esa Tuunanen

      More complex thing to estimate if you want to start calculating “physical” factors and things which can be deducted.

      Size of 1/4.1″ sensor is 2.6×3.5 mm and for 1/4.5″ its 2.4×3.1 mm meaning area of AG-AC90’s 1/4.7″ (not 1/4.1″) sensor is probably below 1/30th of 4/3’s sensor area.

      Even with three such sensors area is just ~1/10th which would equal to fair three stop difference in light gathering ability.
      On the other hand AG-AC90 doesn’t have light wasting bayer filter which means it utilises light more efficiently: Bayer sensor looses half of green light which makes most of luminance information and 3/4th of blue and red light.

      As for pixel size those pixels aren’t as microscopic as in 50+% too many MarketingPixels compacts and actually should have size relatively close to 4/3’s pixel size so their sensitivity and dynamic range shouldn’t be bad.
      But again global shutter hasn’t been used in still camera sensors precisely because of performance loss caused by it.

      Also 4/3 sensor combines over six pixels for each pixel of 1080p. (16:9 image is 4,976 x 2,800 in GH2)

  • _gl

    Would love to see a RAW video option. Less far-fetched now the BlackMagic cam is out, and would give the GH3 a big edge (and justify the ‘pro’ pricing).

  • SteveO

    If Panasonic releases the GH3 as a premium camera for up to $1500 body only, this will leave quite a gap in their product line. The G5 can’t long sustain its MSRP of $699 body only, so what will lie between to compete with the E-M5? And the E-M5 will eventually be discounted/rebated, likely in time for the holidays (now only 4 months away) and to make room for their pro-mFT. I wouldn’t be surprised to see the G5 at $550 and E-M5 at $850-900 by then, all good for this shooter not interested in video.

    • VF

      Starting to sound like a real bargain for only $1500 if it is that cheap.

    • danyyyel

      I dought it will be in the $ 1500 range which would put it against the best APSC or even higher than a Nikon d7000. With the rumored full frame d600 at about $ 1500, the pressure will be much bigger on it and other apsc sensor camera.

  • alife

    Not concerned about IBIS, but one feature not mentioned that would make me part with my cash is focus peaking. Wouldn’t be that hard would it?

  • Matt

    Goodbye T2i. The GH3 looks to be the HDSLR for video we’ve been waiting for.

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