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That may still happen in the future, given that Sony and Fujifilm (among others) are interested in a business partnership with Olympus. I just don’t get why you expected this to happen already with the OM-D/E-M5. A product which has been in development for several years can’t benefit from a possible future partnership, can it?

Does the price include a kit lens, or is it body only?

Because while this is still a big disappointment, if it includes a lens, that means we can get the body for under $1,000, and a weather-sealed camera for less than a grand is actually a tempting proposition.

Gee, what happened to all the oh-so-certain hype about a brilliant new sensor from Sony, or Fuji, or someone? I think the more rational minds have been saying to expect the Panasonic sensor and a built-in VF2 for a couple of weeks now.

Olympus simply doesn’t have the money for the kind of R&D costs associate with all the pie-in-the-sky rumors posted here.

I think you mean Military Intelligence Section 5 aka MI5. Not M5. Incidently, Mr. Bond is from MI6 (aka SIS).

And erm… V1 is a flying bomb during WWII with the nickname of BUZZ BOMB and nothing to do with German public transport.

LOL… sorry, I can’t help it.

And somehow it seems I like have ‘X’s in my camera names too… I’m quite a n00b at photography and the only 2 cameras I own are the Konica Minolta Dimage Xg and the Panasonic Lumix LX3.

I am seriously considering the GX-1 or NEX-7 at this point in time and only realized my hidden obsession for X after you mentioned it. No wonder Olympus was never in my consideration and I briefly contemplated the x100.

Well if you take the normal kit zoom lens the GX1 with EVF would cost $1050 while the E-D5 without inbody flash would be $1450, so no not the same. Even with compact X lens the GX1 would be at least $250 cheaper. Not sure the E-D5 flash doesn’t cost extra as separate model number quoted?

If you compare with the definitely smaller G3 (with similar specs as has same sensor and EVF specs) with builtin flash the E-D5 is twice as expensive. And yes the G3 does have a lightweight metal body.

M5 is British Intelligence (think James Bond). Should help sells in the U.K. vs. V1 which was the German bus bomb, that targeted London and the rest of England in WW II.

I think I will wait for a “X” model, got to have an “X” in a camera name.

Not the gx1 sensor…admin has bad sources.

Also viewfinder is not vf2.

I hate gear heads who complain about crap. All you loosers can’t even take decent photos This camera will be just fine. I’m cranking out awesome photos with my E-PM1 and supposed outdated sensor. Go learn how to take pictures jerk wads.

Well, I did not mean that it should be the same VF as in the NEX-7, because indeed the NEX-7-VF has problems. I would have expected that Olympus could make something, which would improve the visible quality of the finder image, so that it would be on par with that of the NEX-7 without having to deal with performance penalties.

Since we are in a comepetition here, we customers should and can expect such things.

maybe we should send them a scrabble game…

Oh well, looks like more JPEG + Post Processing. I would have bought back in, but now, I think I will hold off again. m43 needs a Sony sensor so bad.

Even nikon and canon dont come out with a new sensor every 3 months. People here are so silly.

One more time you announced lots of overhyped rumors and now people blame Olympus for that. I don’t know is Olympus happy with this website.

Yeah, good riddance.

Well, at least with the NEX system you won’t have the ability to return too many lenses if you pitch a hissy-fit prior to an actual product release.

So Olympus is building the camera from the used parts bin — what a shame.

A contrived retro, fake penta-humped, NOT professional offering. Guess I’ll be returning those lenses I bought in anticipation of the OM-D. OMG, what a waste of time.

Sony NEX blows the GX1/EM5 away. Totally disappointed … and put out. Boo!

+100
And for the integrated EVF, LONG overdue!

I’d settle for an IBIS that works, and an accurate autofocus.

Yeah, but not with that much what would count.

So it is a homage camera. Typical new Olympus one major improvement “5 axis”. It is not the mFT “pro” camera. That one was suppose to come out next year anyways. I do no think it would be worth an upgrade for most P3 or PL3 users.

It is in the right direction, so maybe M6 will be the one, for the new view technology, and to upgrade to.

The new glass is much more exciting news. lets see I want a 25mm and a 65mm and a 10mm, all weather sealed. I am expecting a close focus 25 mm, due to the leaked photo.

+100000 Exactly.

Nice body with average sensor. What a waste of time.

Olympus E-M5 vs Lumix G3

If you can do without IBIS and weather proofing, it sounds as if you could buy a Lumix G3 as well. The sensor will quite likely be the same and if you shoot RAW (like I do) the “improved DR” in JPEGs is not interesting. Spend the difference of the body price on lenses or maybe even better on a weekend out on a cool location.

Looks as if I won’t spend any money on camera bodies this year, even though my GH1 looks a bit worn out.

+1
lets see what panasonic has to say about OIS > IBIS now.

but still, lets wait for 8th feb.

Bye herbsn

@Boooo! “No, Marketing”

Very funny, lol.

Admin, as expected quite a few people are tossing up between this E-M5 and a possible Panasonic GH3 appearing round the corner. Have you any rumours about if and when the GH3 will be announced? Perhpas we will have to wait until Photokina later this year.

Except for some minor differences that we obsess over, the technologies of the different camera companies are basically the same. What differentiates these companies and their cameras is design, both esthetically and functionally. So far, the new model seems to be a good design, with weatherproofing, a built in EVF and controls that will please an enthusiast consumer group. Will it – and its kit lens (which is the real “collectable,” not the body) suit me? Don’t know yet. Need to see its size, feel its weight, use it.

The marketing departments of camera companies also know, at least to some extent, how to push our buttons of anticipation. But they are in trouble if they lead us astray, and therefore make their own products a disappointment. Something like this seems to be going on. Admin is the point man for all of this. The site needs the excitement of anticipation, but he gets the blame for the disappointment of reality. Admin walks a fine line. That is his job.

I think that even here in the best case one out of 50 persons is able to make a real-world-advantage out of Canons increased color depth ond only one out of 500 will do so in real life

I agree that this should replace E-P3.

All: This is a rumor site! Alweays read and write with a smile in your face. Don’t take everything so serious!
Admin: Go on with your work! In my excel evaluation sheet for choice of next mirrorless system, one of the rows say: “Nice rumor site”… This site is the best and a joy to follow.

Well, you know I said that if this new OM had a significantly new sensor and not some rehash of an existing Panasonic sensor, then I’d buy it?

Looks like I’m off the hook.

What a letdown.

Regardless of the good or bad of the Oly hype and understanding their words, if M43 can’t get into the front row with a decent up to date sensor, they’re doomed.

Why make a ‘new’ also ran camera. WTF do they think they are doing wasting the market presence to OM with this? They’re off their rockers.

I’ll check the prices in 6 months and buy one for $300

What did you expect? The newest Sony sensor on EM5?? Let’s get real. If Oly changes their sensor provider, I dont think we will hear about it first on this site.

So much for all the hype surrounding Sony’s and Fuji’s partnership with Olympus. I have pretty much resigned to the fact that Oly will NEVER change their sensor provider. I was really hoping for it this time, given that its a new line and all that jazz.

I think he did that because the sensors used in them are the same. No? Given the same sensor, Oly seems to be squeezing more out of them (albeit on JPEG’s). So there could still be some hope that the new EM5 squeezes more juice than any other m43 camera (again on JPEG’s) given that GX1 has the latest sensor (that is announced).
As far as sensors go, we can expect improvements only from GH3 announcement.

Dear Admin,

Anything on the 5-Axis sensor stabilization? (Is it 5 axis??)

It would be a BIG DEAL if the In Body Stabilization was improved by another one or two stops!! Well worth buying this new body for.

Oly’s marketing hype didn’t mention a new sensor…the was our hopes and dreams. Is your advice that it’s better not to hope, that way you will never be disappointed? …zzz

EP3 has WORSE dynamic range with RAW than G1 and GX1. For those of us who only shoot RAW JPEG improvement don’t matter, and there’s only so much you can do with circuitry.

I’m not excited about this new camera anymore.

Give us Peaking and I’ll buy it. Finally an upgrade from a GF1.

OK, gx1 senzor isn´t bad.. but I´m personaly tired from these minimalistics improvements that panny and oly makes (except the GH series) It seems the real big step up will be the gh3.. oly should really find a better suplier.. maybe they have old panny senzors for good prices but they can´t just tweak the old stuff every time and feed us with minimal improvements in IQ..

your wearing your puffy hammer pants right now aren’t you? is that where the gh2 styling came from?…the 80′s

I told you from the beginning.

I’m with Lily – frankly all I really care about is sealed lenses and body in a compact, carry every where size. The WR of the Pentax K7 and WR kit zoom that I had didnt last a year – lens was leaking around the zoom collar and water getting past the silly rubber body covers. Oly WR integrity from E-x series DSLRs and HG 4/3 lenses has much better reputation.

I’m very happy with IQ and AF performance of my E-P3, just make it splash proof!

Yes. In Japanese 4 can be read as ‘shi’ which is also the word for death. However, skipping the 4th line in a camera series because of that would be very surprising. Usually you only hear of skipped numbers in places like hotels and hospitals.

You are right. To be more precise, it’ 60 % of the Sony sensors, so it’s about 2/3 of a stop that accounts for the size difference. DxOMarks low light Iso mark is 703 GX1 vs. 1079 for Nex5n on DXO Mark, so in this field it lags just 1/2 stop behind. Differences are bigger at base iso though, but they are mainly relevant for extensive post production.

The 16MP sensor is the ‘staple’ m4/3 sensor, just as the 12MP sensor before that. The GH1 and GH2 use different sensors that are oversized to allow for multi-aspect ration shooting without too much loss of resolution (GH1 is actually 14MP sensor, and GH2 is really 18MP). So, I don’t think this is related, but you still may be right about an upcoming GH3 . The GH2 is already nearing 18 months of sales, so it’s pretty close to replacement I guess. Whether it will come with a new sensor remains to be seen

I am being fair. In fact I have been more than fair with this site: many here that now are all “high five admin” where the ones at dpreview mocking it when it first came about- and I defended it.

I am not talking about saying concrete info, it’s how some info is presented sometimes- particularly running close to the release of cameras (E-5, new Pens, OMD).

I was under the impression that there are two different words for “4″ in Japanese, and that one of them does sound like the word for “death”.

No. Not Panny.

+2.

Not surprised but its not THAT bad. Besides, theres still a whole lot of features that could disappear on feb 8

Enough of the camera (just got an ep3 a couple of months ago)! Admin, what about those 2 new oly lenses?

Lame, lame , lame….sorry admin, but your sources screwed big time on this one….pentax is the only hope now…canon G1x has bad sensor results from dxo….m4/3 is stucked…too bad.

Well this camera could very well have more processing power than before- but I am skeptical this patent would show up now implemented. I only mentioned it as a data/trivia point more than “I think they are going to do it now.”

You could have a special camera mode that would do this and maybe say take the three shots fast, then blank out a few seconds processing the intricate merge. Certainly not at 9fps, but I don’t think it would exclude a special mode.

But again, I don’t think this patent is showing up now.

And did you also notice that the Panasonic sensor BEATS the Canon sensor for high ISO performance? It’s all blabla nonsense. All these cameras are capable of giving EXCELLENT results, and there is just too much focus tiny (meaningless) differences.

Do- well and what do you think that means?! Do you think that’s related to tonal range?

Also don’t forget that Dxo is talking about color sensitivity- meaning how the sensor responds to light/color.

Finally being able to play in post production more can be a huge asset depending on what you are shooting/ the photography domain.

I’m still excited. I’m still shooting with an E-520. I’ve been wanting to get something weather-sealed, and the E-x cameras are just too big/heavy for me. The EM-5 will be PERFECT for climbing Fuji this summer. Absolutely ideal. I’m going to CP+ next week and I’m so excited I can hardly stand it.

True, but we still have to see what sensor it is. Olympus’ camera isn’t out YET, so all is rumors, even this “same as GX1″ statement.
We will see next week.
It would have been nice the new sensor tech I mean, but as I wrote in older threads in the Netherlands we say: If it looks/sounds too good to be true, it usually is.

Maybe better than unhacked GH2 codec. Still packing smaller sensor, if the GX1 rumor is true. Hacked GH2 is a whole another story. Mr Hammer put it well: Can’t touch this.

Admin- but there you go again. Are you sure? How can you be? And remember the GH2 sensor *is* the better sensor…. so that alone may make the video quality “be better than GH2″ – may not not happening? This is what I referred to, hyping things up.

It may have better- it may not- we don’t know yet, right?

Interesting, do you know which one?

I know, right? “Booo, old sensor”. THE HORROR!
Good lord, are all these people taking pictures purely for inspecting them for noise and whatnot? I’m perfectly happy with my GF1, it mostly takes great pictures that I enjoy looking at. Who cares if there’s some noise every now and then.

What a bunch of whiny nerds here.

A hybrid viewfinder has only been a dream in the mind of the few — no rumour from admin has given support to this dream.

Its funny how several weeks of “extreme” hype can turn into a disappointment so easily and after that people are still “um well I guess its fine anyway” . You are making it to easy for Olympus to sell things.

Btw how can this sensor have better video quality than the GH2?

And the EVF being the same as the VF-2 is just plain lame.

So what if it’s GX1 sensor?
Olympus was always able to deliver better IQ from the same sensor than Panasonic.

Look at G1 vs EP3, Oly has over 1 stop better ISO in both RAW and JPEG.

Sincs new sensor in Panasonic has 1 stop better high ISO than pens in RAW, it would make sense that E-M5 has 2 stops better high iso over pens.

So, perfectly fine 6400 and good 12.800

No, admin is not responsible for all the hype.

BUT — the viewfinder is the same?? Is this a new rumor, or a new fact? It is not mentioned in the headline of this rumor.

This is an Epic Fail.

For a camera of about 1000 € and claimed to be a new OM, the innovation is really small, basically it seems to be an assembly of “old” componets with some marketing.
Basically
- the sensor doesn’t provide any advantage (talking about the sensor you look at RAW not jpg)
- the evf is the same as always.

The 16MP sensor is NOT old! Used for the first time only 6 months ago, and widely praised in just about every review of the G3 or GX1.

“Olympus marketing guys cleary say that the 16.1 Megapixel sensor has an “Expanded Dynamic Range“.”

So Olympus marketing guys are your sourse?

Nothing wrong with the newer 16mp G3 / GX1 sensor, it’s not quite as good as the best APS sensors but it’s a big improvement over the old 12mp sensor.

… well, the G3′s sensor is nearly as good as the Canon G1X’s, according to DXO. And many people wanted the Canon G1X sensor in the OM-D. So, here you go.

Ange7 – no-one here believes Oly’s marketing hype anymore so most ppl here can say told you so. Some might be wise enough to wait until the camera gets tested though. But just as Oly catch up with Panasonic by using their sensor, Panasonic will release the GH3.

Is “4″ an unlucky number in Japanese? In Chinese, yes! (When pronouncing “4″ in Chinese (Mandarin?), it sounds like the word for “death”.) But is it the same in Japanese? (Or are they looking at the Chinese marked?)

You should probably slap your sources over the head with something!

Until yesterday, everybody was going to buy one!

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

http://nooooooooooooooo.com/

Now I know why (and how) they managed to price it at a 1000 Euros.

I’m sorry, but all you wingers would have to be losers. The E-5 was hyped up beyond belief, but when sensible use & evaluation was done, it turned out to be a very nice camera despite it not having the high MP count that was wished for & now the sensor from the GX1 will be used to it’s best advantage by Olympus in this E-M5. I think this camera is going to be a very nice one without all the overhyped expectations that some of you are dreaming up. I wouldn’t get the E-PL3 or the E-P3 because it din’t have the EVF built in & lots of people were stating the same, so Olympus has now granted that in this weather sealed body (or so it is rumoured) with a newer sensor, as every one was asking for.

GET A LIFE & stop all the wingeing, all of you.

The E5 is riddled with artifacts. Sharpness and noise are not the main indicator of image quality. I prefer good tonality and dynamic range.

I think what you say it’s sensible, though to me it would be more credible if you spoke up when the “hype-up” was going on

But yeah, would be good to wait. I think price makes or breaks this camera.

Dodgy IBIS, one junk sealed lens !!

“Should we think that the X Pro 1 and NEX 7 are more advanced cameras, except for AF?”

Umm duh?

And no hybrid view finder apparently…

Yeah, They did a great job tweaking the E-5 sensor. My pictures sell as hot cakes.
The E-P3 sensor is still no slough.
Now we have a new sensor from Pana, I trust Olympus get’s the best out of it.
I don’t judge a camera by DXO figures but on it’s output.

My old E! with kit lens still beats any of these micros. Flat, dark photos with smearing are not my thing.

What happened to you olympus? It used to be small with high quality lenses. Why are these cameras so bad compared to 4 thirds.

How is possible rumour of E-P3 ISO3200 = ISO12800 new OM-D
I think not possible:
http://img543.imageshack.us/img543/2130/320012800.jpg

+1

But we’ll have to pay the price of two G3s for IBIS, better jpeg, weather sealing and a wheel or two more…

“You will hear from Olympus own mouth that they will say “improved dynamic range”. So it’s not me being responsible!”

I agree with the EVF since Olympus said it in the interview but not for example in the improved dynamic range. You did make some hype on it, and I did mention that this could be academic-meaningless if say it’s improved by something like 1/3rd of a stop.

Check out the headlines and posts made when you mentioned several features including the high dynamic range, and honestly admin, with all due respect, tell me it wasn’t over hyped at least a bit

There are different things here:

- true HDR – 3 image captures, blended (example, K-5, Pentax Q)
- high tone priority (Canon, Pentax, Sony do this)- allow you to shift the tonal range so you get better highlight DR at the expense of shadow DR.
- auto gradation – similar to NIkon’s “Dlighting”. Similar to Pentax’s “shadow lift” option.

True expanded DR doesn’t come from the last one. The high tone priority mode doesn’t expand the DR either, but helps make a choice to accommodate- at the RAW capture level- which tones you need to represent the most/the best.

Even somehow oly makes a new sensor by themself, it’s not necessarily better than gx1 sensor. I’m expecting new processor more than sensor, and buttons design.

But on the other hand, this is the best way to get the discussion going, emotional swings and drama does helps this site, lol

“We’re talking real image output here, not dxomark.”

Except that to me DxoMark is a pretty good indicator of real world performance, as I have been able to corroborate myself on my e-420, E-3, e-620, K-5, LX5, LX3, Pentax Q.

And in your comparison with Imaging Resource are you examining the RAW files for yourself or are you looking at images produced with the respective JPEG engines? I am not even talking about jpeg!

Admin, I still think you are somewhat responsible.

“Sayings” of a new viewfinder technology, and improved dynamic range is hardly anything concrete, but you kind of made a big deal of it…we can fully expect that the rages here would stretch their imagination base on the mini-hype.

well other camera brands also sell a “high DR” feature which is exactly same as Oly’s “Gradiation”

I actually didn’t mean that last sentence directed at you. I meant that the critique that he made on people goes both ways- both for people screaming now for “being fooled” by rumors and also (my point that it goes both ways) for people believing it and going into a hyped frenzy as if it was a done deal it was using a different sensor with a bigger jump technology wise.

However, do look at some of the stuff said – like best video quality than the GH2 or such (!). We don’t know that yet, do we?

Well I am going by measured DXo Mark on the G3 sensor. And it’s only once the ISO goes high (ISO 3200 and up) – around 1.5 stops.

“Fuji x pro, A serious OM-D contender?”

HAHAHA

DxO-Mark Test of Canon G1X is out. Chip isnt any better than Panasonic G3/GX1 and probably the new Olympus. Okay DR is a little better, but we are used to that, aren’t we?

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/Cameras/Compare-Camera-Sensors/Compare-cameras-side-by-side/%28appareil1%29/769|0/%28brand%29/Canon/%28appareil2%29/754|0/%28brand2%29/Panasonic

Nothing wrong with the GX1 sensor for me. The camera is still very tempting for me. Nonetheless, I will wait for the Panny GH3 and study the reviews before I part with more than 1000 EUR… In addition, I will wait for the announced fast Panasonic zoom lenses.

I hope that Olympus worked on the menu system. Personally, I don’t like the Olympus menu on my E-P2 and prefer the Panasonic menu.

I don’t suppose Olympus could have found a different sensor supplier with the financial troubles they had. No one seems to make 4/3 size sensors apart from Panasonic, so starting a whole new line would be quite costly. You can’t just “cut down” an APS-C sensor, you have to shrink all the electronics that goes in the circuitry. What Panasonic needs to do is start moving the electronics process to something smaller probably 32nm so that their base noise will go farther down.

I myself am very satisfied with this news if it’s true. GX1 images on the Internet are quite satisfying to my eyes in terms of DR and noise. Knowing Olympus’s JPEG skills, we should see some awesome pics. Stop being so negative people! For DR issues, just underexpose slightly and pull the shadows up in your RAW converter.

Yeh, a real shitnarmi blowing this way…

no surprise. Olympus dont know how to build sensors.

With this sensor and the face-lift, Olympus will learn a hard lesson if EM5 is priced anywhere near Nex7.

I guess this one won’t even out-sell EP3. Keep doing this, Olympus will disappear in the near future.

Caps Lock makes the words you say truthful…? No, it’s still a crock.

I wasn’t aware that anyone with half a brain was still expecting an optical viewfinder in this thing. Seeing as the sensor is going to be a lot better than the E-P1 I’m not sure how any of your statement makes any sense at all.

Oh well… In the end it looks like ill stick to my E-30…

Well…like many have said already: I knew this. Marketing hype bigtime when it comes to the sensor. However: it is quite a good sensor. Many people wanted a GX1 with an EVF and IBIs and there you have it, only a few months later. Now if the EVF is fantastic and the AF is like Nikons in good light and like Panasonics in low light, the cam is in fact excellent! Butttt…..I don’t think this will happen either…Typical Olympus it seems. May be they can team up with Samsung, a company that has the same traits.

“I think the “Expanded DR” will be from Auto Gradiation though”

So then Olympus doesn’t know the difference between DR and gradation, or they exploit that their customer base doesn’t know the difference or just doesn’t care. That’s pathetic.

The only good thing on that news may be that now, as Panasonic gives its 16 MP sensor to others, they propably may have a new sensor close to production so that at least a GH3 may go a step forward regarding dynamic range and noise. It is urgently necessary to catch up with Sony.

Well according to DXO, the G3 is indeed about 1.5 stops better in high ISO. DR is about 1/2 a stop better.

I think the point you miss is that some people don’t want to pay big cash for what is sub competitive technology. I will agree it’s not horrible- worse would have been the same EP3 sensor *yet again*.

But the truth is all the people that hyped themselves up thinking it was something much better when it wasn’t. They just need to keep things real. Yes, it’s their problem

“And for the people screaming that they have been fooled: it’s a rumor site. Grow up. Olympus has given no info yet, and all the rumors are fed by enthousiasts and Oly fans. No wonder people get carried away.”

+100. And this goes both ways- both when they believed it was surely a new sensor and now.

+1.

That said, if they can really get 2 stops better at high iso, it won’t be that bad.

I like having some form of image stabilisation. So being able to use all the nice reasonably priced primes like the 20mm 1.7 and 45mm 1.8 and get some IS makes it a lot better than the panasonics for me.

I am sorry, but if you want to continue paying $ for not so hot sensor performance, that’s certainly your call!

But to be honest, I don’t think the GX1 is as bad as other options that could have happened. At least they moved forward from the now very old EP3 sensor design. I just wish they used something more competitive, but it all depends on price now.

At $1,100 I still think it’s a good proposition. At $1,500 USD forget it.

It’s not old. Barely 7 months or so.

We did already know that, didn’t we?
So image quality will be slightly better than GX1 (by sensor tweaking), but AF-Speed will also be quicker (GX1 sensor have faster AF than the old Pani 12 MP sensor) so with a little tweaking… You get the idea!

“it is still far behind sony sensors let alone the new canon G1X sensor”

Really? The DXOmark tests don’t support your statement.

Panasonic’s “new” sensors are others’ old tech.
In the most important deficiency, dynamic range, this GsuX1 sensor is barely any better even compact sensor of Canon Powershot G12 can give better dynamic range than it!

Higher noise at higher ISO’s is easy to compensate in landscape shooting by using slower shutter speed (remember IBIS works with every lens) at lower ISO but if base ISO lacks good dynamic range getting around it isn’t easy.

Well, these are not bad news per se. In fact, I find the name choice worse than sensor choice. If you take a look at http://i1266.photobucket.com/albums/jj524/picrumors/Schermata01-2455958alle192600.png , you’ll see that GX1 scores are similar to G1X scores – which should explain the naming similarities . So, even Canon could not dethrone Sony. There will be a jump compared to old 12 MPx sensor, and that’s the main thing. If Oly manages to make a 1 stop improvement, if they manage to make ISO 1600 on par with E-P1/2/3 / E-PL1/2/3 / E-PM1 ISO 800, I’ll be satisfied. As for PDAF, that’s a real pity. There’s a slim chance that new adapter will help, but I doubt it.

But the name is worse part of the news ( rumor, that is ). E-M line will be confused with E-PM line as if there wasn’t enough confusion between E-P and E-PL. I’m waiting for E-ML and E-MM now . And why start with E-M5? Probably because of OM-4, but way simpler was to name new camera OM-5.

Whatever… Built-in EVF, movable touch LCD and better sensor will be good enough reasons for me to upgrade, but focus peaking and HDR would be nice things to include as well, since they are software based. Let’s hear those good news…

Exactly. If a m43 sensor is 1 stop behind an APS-C in S/N ratio, it is actually on par, technology/efficiency-wise, since 1 stop accounts for the difference in size (m43 sensor has approx. half the area of an APS-C sensor).

true, and although I do not know otherwise, unless they have an electronic [global] shutter

Well, maybe I’ll hang on for the next OM. Why go with panasonic again! Aaargh! Whilst sensor will be better than 12MP surely there were other options, too expensive I suppose. Message for olympus – SOURCE A BETTER SENSOR SUPPLIER! panasonic is killing your system.
This sensor has already been surpassed by the competition, do Oly not learn. New trupic may improve things for jpeg shooters but I can’t see it being by much.
Disappointed, hope the view finder makes up for it, and it really needs to live up to the hype to keep my interest now.

The good thing is, we will see exactly the same performance in the next E-P and E-PL models (since the 4 is an unpoular number in Eastern Asia, they will probably named E-P5 and E-PL5, maybe that explains the E-M5 name).
By the way, to all DxOMark junkies, Canons G1X sensor performs very similar to Pannasonics 16 MP sensor. On the other hand, if you compare Canons and Sonys APS-C sensors , their low-light performance aren’t that much different – so, in fact,if you count in the smaller sensor size, Panasonic isn’t that much behind Sony in their sensor tchnology as it may seem. But some people just can’t accept that an MFT camera isn’t a 35mm frame camera.

I will definetly go for the fuji…

Dude, you said it. It’s a rumor site. Don’t get the G3 yet, waite and see the camera when it comes.

That means the brand new E-M5 (Price > €1000) has the same sensor as the one year old Pana G3 (€535 incl. kit). And I idiot sold my GH2:-(((((

What a bunch of whiners here. SOS? Of course not. The 16mp sensor is only 6 months in use.

Is it better, in RAW, than the current 12mp sensor? Yes, and you can add clean Olympus processing.

why so negative? the GX1 sensor might be a “big” step up from the old G1 sensor, but it is still far behind sony sensors let alone the new canon G1X sensor, which even seems to smoke the sony sensor while not being much larger than mFT.
panasonic simply lags behind in sensor-design. the sensor is already too noisy at base-iso. even the GH1 sensor was better in this regard.
most important is perfect image quality at base iso, everthing else is side-effect.

The soul of a camera is about a lot more than the sensor – in the days of film cameras had souls, and you took out the sensor after 36 shots and replaced it!

Being at one with a camera (it being an extension of yourself) is what helps make great photos – and this is where controls come in.

+ 1 OM range a dream to use. HAs anyone dome a comparison of leaked sizes? Is this the same size as OM cameras? I had the OM-2.
Also, I would be interested to know. How much was the OM-1 when it came out? Given inflation are cameras more or less expensive?

+1

i already decide to buy E-P3 anyway before find out about OM-D…see U on 8th, Oly

+1

We knew it. All of us.

Now, we know that we knew it

Olympus hype is now in the….. trash. Beauty body… the same errors. Sensor is what you take photos, it’s the soul…. and new Olympus has a old one.
It’s time to think about to buy a Fuji…..

It’s no surprise, at all.

What’s wrong with the GX1 sensor, anyway?

it’s probably called the E-M5 as a continuation to the OM line of cameras, which stopped at OM4.

“amazing 2 stops of better noise behaviour ( in jpg !!!) THANKS OLYMPUS,” very generous!!!

YOU CAN UNCOVER THE SHABBY CAMERA, TO SAVE SOME SUSPENSE

nobody wants it anyway

http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/News/DxOMark-news/Panasonic-Lumix-GX1-the-latest-Panasonic-micro-four-thirds-to-the-test

I’VE HAD ENOUGH, I probably will keep my GH-1 to play with legacy glass, for the adapters i own

Bye Olympus

Yeah, I told you that it is just another crappy Panasonic sensor.
Epic fail!

bahhahaha

LOLOLOLOL, i knew it, same SOS, SOS, SOS, SOS, SOS (same old sensor)

the can load the camera with hundresds of thousands of features more which nobody need, probably a s**load more artfilters or whatever, but old sensor, no buy

SOS, SOS, SOS, you can see it in your dreams