(FT4) Schneider Kreuznach to launch new m43 lenses next week?

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Its Schneider Kreuznach that will announce new m43 lenses next week!!!!!

On February 4th Schneider joined the m43 group. On that day Dr. Josef Staub, CEO of the Schneider Group said that: “This standard has great potential. It simplifies and improves the options for compact digital cameras and offers an excellent opportunity for the industry as a whole, as well as for us as a lens manufacturer. We are working intensively on a corresponding series of lenses” And when asked about manual focus lenses Josef said: “to put a manual focus lenses on a digital body is not the way to exploit the full potential of a digital system camera“.

So we can look forward to see some great lens (or lenses)! I don’t have any specs yet but as you may know Schneider also made many C-mount, FD, SL and M42 mount lenses in the past. Here are some of them:
Xenon 16mm f/1.2 (Click here to see on eBay).
Xenon 25mm f/0.95 (Click here to see on eBay).
Curtagon 35mm f/2.8 (Click here to see on eBay).
Componon 50mm f/1.4 (Click here to see on eBay).
Xenon 50mm f/1.9 (Click here to see on eBay).
Xenar 50mm f/2.8 (Click here to see on eBay).
Xenar 75mm f/3.5 (Click here to see on eBay).
Xenotar 80mm f/2.8 (Click here to see on eBay).
Xenar 180mm f/2.8 (Click here to see on eBay).

Nice list!

Anyway, the rumor is FT4 for now. I still need to get some proof that the news is real. Let me know if you find something!!!

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  • JF

    Will these lenses cost 3000 euros ??

  • Viktor

    Hmm not manual focus?. Still missing a AF fast 35 equiv. for the E-M5…

  • c.d.embrey

    Does this mean that there will be a Tilt & Shift lens for M43 http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/818358-REG/Schneider_06_1066457_PC_TS_Super_Angulon.html

    • io

      Very expensive :(

    • Daemonius

      There are no AF TS lens and he spoke of AF. It will be “normal” lens. Probably not cheap, but its Schneider Kreuznach, thats same league as Leica and Zeiss/Voigtlaender.

      • c.d.embrey

        Of course there are no Auto Focus Tilt & Shift lenses, any idiot knows that!!! Try reading what I said, not what you think I said.

        My comment had to do with the fact that Schneider DOES makes Tilt & Shift lenses, Olympus DOESN’T, Panasonic DOESN’T, Leica doesn’t, Sigma doesn’t and Cosina doesn’t. Now that Schneider is making M43 lenses, there is a chance that SOMEDAY they will make a M43 Tilt & Shift lens. What is so hard to understand about that ???

        • mert

          @c.d.embrey

          f u ck of obnoxious prink

          • Mr. Reeee

            Pot meet Kettle.

            He may be a bit tactless, but what he says is right on.

        • rrr_hhh

          Ii’d like to see a shift lens, but I think that Schneider Kreuznach is more interested in manufacturing expensive cine lenses for the pro cameramen than in manufacturing cheaper lenses for still photography amateurs.

          It would be great if they were issuing one, even a 1500-2000 $ one, as you pointed, they have the knowledge, but I don’t think it will happen. I think Samyang who seems to specialize in WA may come out with one.

    • Lily
  • I guess that means only one thing, they will release another odapter …

  • just kidding… :)

  • Robbie

    Duh….the price is probably sth not for me again.

  • New high quality AF lenses? … WIN!

    • CRB

      +1……………..

  • Of course it would be interesting to see the range of the lens from them, even simple mechanical lens, at a good price!

  • YeahYeah

    Come on! High quality 25/0.95, even better than the Voigtlander, smaller, AF, 900€. I take it :D

  • Leo

    AF is the key…

  • :) 0.75 !!!who more!

    • uiti

      Just think about M4/3 mount circle radius, is it possible?

      • Why not? The Nikon has just filed a patent for the f/0.7 lens suitable for Nikon 1 mirrorless mount. http://nikonrumors.com/2012/05/29/new-patent-indicates-the-possibility-of-a-nikon-1-mirrorless-lens-with-f0-7-aperture.aspx/

        • uiti

          I know this patent, that’s for Nikon 1 mount not for M4/3.
          you can see the Nokton’s rear lens. F0.95 rear lens is quite big to Mount circle. Cosina said they can’t put electric connection because of rear lens size. Acutually I’m not engineer. Just I guess it.

          • BS

            • Anonymous

              could you plz SFU

            • Anonymous

              so you think it doesnt matter rear lens size of 0.7f.

        • Daemonius

          Even less. Zeiss once designed f0.7 lens for full-frame. So 0.7 lens for m4/3 shouldnt be an issue.

          • bli

            There is already a 0.75 Rodenstock lens fitted to m43. The DOF appears to be close to zero…

  • Cem PAYZIN

    I jsut got my Silve E-M5. I think anypne who has never used this camera should just stop making up stories. This is a camera will be on the books. Just amazing. Yes it has some ergonomic issues however everything else is so good it is just no issue for me!

  • Walter Freeman

    Very nice, but let’s hope they make something that we need. The short stuff is pretty much locked up: there is a high-quality option at most every focal length:

    Pana 7-14/4
    Oly 12/2
    Pana 14/2.5 (which is a surprisingly good lens from what I read)
    Pana 20/1.7
    Pana 25/1.4
    Oly 45/1.8
    Forthcoming 60 Macro
    Oly 75/1.8

    Not much room for improvement, here — sure, you could make something a little faster or a little sharper, but that is not a big deal. Everything in here is quite fast and sharp already.

    Now, let’s look at the long end:

    Panasonic 45-200 f/5.6
    Panasonic 100-300 f/5.6
    Olympus 40-150 f/5.6
    Olympus 75-300 f/slow

    I’d like to see 150mm+ primes from Schneider. Perhaps:

    150 f/2 (or adapt the Zuiko one, it’s a hell of a lens)
    200 f/2.8
    250 f/2.8 with matched teleconverters for $3000 (I’d buy this)
    300 f/4
    400 f/5.6

    • Viktor

      Since the 20mm and 25mm works best on pana, and the 17mm oly is to slow, I cant understand why some of you think there is little room for improvement. As a E-m5 owner I realy cant find a suitable midrange fast AF prime, right now.

      • 2.8/17 is a slowish kit lens priced accordingly. But its tiny and thats cool.
        On the other extreme, you can’t always get that f0.95 bomb from Voigtländer. Videographers should love it, but for most there is that worth vs value question.

        Its a cool FoV and there is room for an option somewhere in between.

      • Time for high quality fast zoom lenses.

      • bilgy_no1

        Viktor, what do you mean: ‘the 20mm and 25mm works best on pana’? There are absolutely no performance issues with these lenses on Olympus m4/3 bodies. If anything, they work better on Olympus than on Panasonic, because then they have the IBIS advantage!

        Just use the 20mm f/1.7 on the E-M5 and it will work great for a mid range lens.

        • Viktor

          20mm shows banding at high ISO, 25mm rattles very loud.

          • Walter Freeman

            Banding is purely a sensor thing, and has nothing at all to do with the lens. As for the 25mm rattling, what about Olympus bodies would provoke that specifically?

            • Viktor

              Search Em-5 + banding + 20mm. Search 25mm rattle. Google is your friend.

              • TomR

                Viktor, I agree with you, but I would like to see the lens come from oly and be weather sealed to go with E-M5.

          • JF

            This banding appears with very particular light condition involving artificial light, I use E-M5 with the 20 mm and so far I’ve never seen any banding…

    • pfeddeh

      What I miss is an affordable 9 or 10mm prime. As small as possible, F3.5 or F4 is fast enough for me.

      • metalaryeh

        Exactly. +1

      • Mr. Reeee

        I’ll take a 10mm f2.8 like my old Nikon 20mm f2.8 AI-S. Now that’s a great lens!

      • M

        Fully agree ++1

  • > We are working intensively on a corresponding series of lenses.

    Any chance to peek at what precisely they are working on?

    Popular options are already covered. They can improve something (better 17mm pancake would be nice), but otherwise there is little distinctly new they can add. And I expect that they would want to enter the m43 with a bang.

    But if they work on some specialized video or pro lenses, that might hint at a new type of camera body being developed by O&P. All existing camera body lines (except for the E-M5 + optional grip) are simply too small to accommodate larger specialist lenses.

    Any how I look at it, it’s good news :)

    • rrr_hhh

      it will be video pro lenses, of whose they have already issued one if my memory serves me well. And the bodies targetted in this case are Panasonic video cameras, not the small mft still photo bodies.

      • rrr_hhh

        Oops I think the expensive cine lenses was from Zeiss, not from Schneider !

  • Adriaantie

    Totally waist of money. High quality lenses on tiny sensor.

    • Bob B.

      please go back in your hole.

    • EvilBobo

      What’s a waist of money? Is that like where you have cash strapped around your waist?
      Is it not a waste of money to own a Micro 4/3 system if you’re not willing to buy lenses for it? And I personally believe it is a waste of money buying lenses that I can’t get good photos with.

    • andy

      “waist”???
      hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

      • bilgy_no1

        Waist of money. Does that have something to do with belt tightening?

    • slomo

      Don’t use big sensor, it will all go to your waist.

    • Don’t forget the AF101

    • Leu

      You have some insider secret the lens maker is unaware of? Im thinking: Tourism & Fanny-packs.

  • Bob B.

    This could be interesting….Will these be cine lenses?

    • I do not think, movie has already go with adapter.Noktony more like a movie lens, and affordable price.

      • Bob B.

        Really…?…That’s cool…I have no interest in cine lenses..just still…it will be interesting to see what the announcement is.

        • Yes, like Zeiss Сp.2, interchangeable lens mount.

  • BillM

    Wow, wow, wow. That about sums it up, to have a German mfg. be interested in not only the m43 mount and also be interested in AF designs as well, that could be huge. Even if some people don’t like them or can’t afford them, it brings to the table a whole new perspective for buying into the design. My guess is Schneider will not be looking at long zooms, but will initially focus on short primes. Having some good AF f/0.95 lenses would be amazing :)

    But even without this, what Olympus and Panasonic have done already gives us so many wonderful options.

    • BillM

      I forgot Sigma as well for AF mount lenses, but was not impressed by the slow primes they released so far, apparently their optical qualities are really good, but too slow for my purposes. If they can get some longer/faster tele primes and/or fast zooms that would be ideal.

    • Rick D

      Given that Schneider’s once-important partnership with Kodak is now kaput they basically only work with Samsung at present, and I suspect it makes sense to expand into another format. µ4/3 seems like a good match.

      My first digicam was a Kodak “prosumer” with a Schneider 24-140 eq. lens, and the images out of it were excellent–a brilliant combination of Kodak color and Schneider optics. I’d love to see them participate in µ4/3, be it primes, zooms or both. In particular, Oly colors could recapture what they once had working with Kodak.

      cheers,

      Rick

  • “to put a manual focus lenses on a digital body is not the way to exploit the full potential of a digital system camera“

    Isn’t it what they’ve been doing all the time?!

  • slomo

    Anymore info? AF or no AF? IS or no IS?

  • I don’t think Schneider-Kreutznach has ever designed an AF lens. If this rumour materializes I would expect some heavy contribution from Olympus to the electronic aspects of those lenses. However, I have a hard time believing this manufacturer sees m4/3 as more than a platform for its existing cine lenses (see Zeiss).

  • LisergicSyn

    Just a curious thing:
    I was looking at the micro four-thirds official site and found that, in the companies who joined the consortium, there is no track of Samyang:
    http://www.four-thirds.org/en/contact/group.html

    Doesn’t sound quite strange?

    • flash

      Samyang are manual focus with out any electronics, at all, so they really do not need the “approval”

      • bilgy_no1

        Voigtlander is also without electronics, but it is mentioned there (Cosina)…

        I guess there is a premium that companies should pay to feature the official logo etc. Some do it and some don’t. SLR Magic is also not featured on the official partner page.

        • LisergicSyn

          That’s could explain why Samyang used the abbreviation MFT instead of the micro 4/3 logo on its 7.5mm fisheye lens.

  • The m4/3 format is showing maturity—something the other mirrorless players have a long way to go.

    Ultra-fast auto focus coming from the likes of Schneider-Kreuznach would b a great feather in the m4/3 cap.

  • Admin, Schneider native m43 cine lenses are now listed on four-thirds.org in the cine lens section (along with AF100 and Zeiss cine lenses). Don’t know for how long they’ve been there – maybe they’ve just been silently added there ahead of official announcement.

    • those aren’t MFT native. They’re PL mount

      • Ah yes, you are right, I missed that part :)

  • JLW518

    I’ve just been playing around with an old 35mm f2.8 Nikkor, and boy do I wish there was an AF M43 35mm prime….It is my own personal perfect focal length……

    AND nobody else has done one yet…..

    Pretty please!!! ;)

    -J

    • well the Sigma 19/2.8 is close, and there’s the Oly 17/2.8… but we’re hoping for something faster and better

  • 12mm f3.5 T/S
    17mm f2.8 T/S

    AF support. High price (these are specialized after all).

  • OM-4ever

    This could be huge. I’ve had the OM-5 for a few weeks now, using it with the 45/1.8, 20/1.7, 14/2.5, and have to say it is a very special camera.

  • SLOtographer

    Will be exciting, but won’t be cheap.

    AF 17/1.2 FTW!

  • Miroslav

    Not expecting much from Schneider…

    • LisergicSyn

      sure they will be expensive, very expensive.
      Anyway having such a prestigious manufacturer involved into m4/3 development could only be considered as a great thing.

      • Miroslav

        I’m afraid there’ll only be a few MF video lenses.

        I’d be very happy if they came out with a line of high end stills lenses with autofocus, but since their only experience in that field was with K mount DSLR lenses, I doubt they’ll devote that much R&D just for m4/3. Even Sigma and Tamron haven’t. Unless, of course, they start making lenses for new Canon mirrorless, m4/3 and Nikon CX mounts.

  • Rick

    Is it just me, or do other hobbyist photographers find the price of most recently announced m43 lenses beyond their budget? I’m totally sold on m43, have 4 m43 bodies and 4 m43 lenses. My problem might be that at age 58 I’m stuck in my 35mm film memories of buying quality mid-range Konica, Minolta, and 3rd-party Vivitar and Tamron lenses in the $100-300 range decades ago. Does inflation, auto-focus, and smaller manufacturing volumes account for today’s m43 lens prices? Or is it that recently announced lenses tend to be high-end? I think prices of the kit zooms, 20mm pancake, and 45-200mm zoom are great values. My darkroom enlarger had a terrific Schneider lens, and the Schneider zoom on my Braun Nizo super-8 film camera was superb, so I love Schneider, but I can’t get excited about more $800-1300 lenses…

  • mooboy

    “to put a manual focus lenses on a digital body is not the way to exploit the full potential of a digital system camera“

    I’m kind of the opposite – using a zoomed in liveview (and doubly so if using the EM-5 for IBIS) gives me a hundred times more confidence to nail focus compared to using even a big bright OVF.

  • Mal

    Hopefully these lenses are designed for m43 rather than an adaption of an APSC lens like the Sigmas.

    Personally, I am still waiting for a quick AF 14 or 17mm at f1.4 to f1.8 in a pancake, much like my 20mm f1.7 Panasonic, only faster AF. If Schneider want to make an inpact, this is where they could do it.

    If they throw in a manual aperture control then all the better.

    • Keep dreaming. ;)

    • Anonytrackball

      They don’t make apsc lenses or 135 lenses that I can find. They have a couple of T&S lenses for canikon and their movie lenses will fit canikon also. But real usable stuff. Nowt.
      So its m43 from scratch and from the comments full m43 AF.
      They must see a great future for m43 to come in warts and all.
      Better save the pocket money, they won’t be cheap.

      • Lucky

        @ JimD

        very good point!

        I was hoping that Canon would adopt the MFT mount, but, even if they choose to maintain a proprietary mount with a sensor ~4/3 size, then lens manufacturers will still be able to easily adapt their lenses to suite both systems. Canon in all likelihood would not, but all the others would!

      • rrr_hhh

        You forget that there are pro video cameras using the mft mount; I think that this is what they are after. Schneider Kreuznach is a German high end lenses manufacturer, they are also manufacturing lenses for view cameras. I don’t really see them manufacturing cheap lenses for the small still photography bodies. Their manufacturing costs would be to high to compete with the lower end of the mft market.

  • With Canon about to announce a mirrorless camera system using a 4/3 format sensor, but maybe their own mount, we may see a raft of AF lenses made for 4/3 size sensors with m43 or canon xx mount, rather than m43 mounts on NEX and apsc lenses.
    These Schneider lenses may be the first of a big push in lenses for 4/3 sensors from many manufactures that cover a range of prices and styles, hopefully with good or better than good quality.
    Now is a good time to get into m43.

  • ras

    It would be effing badass if they made tilt/shift lenses.

    I can dream, can’t I? =)

  • bookervrk

    For some aspects, perhaps the coming Sigma 12-35 and Tamron 18-200 and 60mm f2.0 Macro are more interesting than the coming schneider lens.
    It’s happy to see the rival against the panasonic 12-35mm lens:P

  • I live EM5

    There is a lot of place for new lenses, for example:

    10mm f/2
    17mm f/1.4 or f/1.2
    60mm f/1.4
    100mm f/2 (smaller then Canon 100mm f/2 for FF)
    150mm f/2.8
    250mm f/4
    70-200mm f/4 (smaller then Canon 70-200mm f/4L)

    9mm f/4 tilt-shift
    12mm f/4 tilt-shift
    25mm f/4 tilt-shift

    100mm f/2.8 macro

  • You’ve forgotten about great (but very rare) Xenoplan 25/1.9 :)

  • Adriaantie

    Yes lets make some expensive and useless lenses for a tiny sensor Packard camera. What a waist of money.

    • Still here?

    • Narretz

      Waist of time? Is it still hip to bash m43?

      Oh, admin, btw, you still haven’t included the Oly 12-50 in the camera/lens database

    • jim

      or what about all that wast of money canon and nikon did with the first gen digital cams… old shit sensors with expencive glass…

      sensor size is not an issue – sensor performance is – and since the OMD is lapping at the heels of the 5D2 anything thats too good for the OMD is too good for nearly any camera made to date – only cams made with equal or better sensors are the k5, 5D2, 5D3, D800, D3s, NEX 5/7… nearly any other camera has an inferior IQ to the OMD…

      In other words – you are talking shit mate!

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