(FT3) E-P3 successor has same E-M5 16 megapixel sensor.
I am not sure about this rumor yet but a trusted sources told me that it is highly unlikely the E-P3 successor will feature a completely new sensor. The E-P5 will almost certainly use the same E-M5-E-Pm2-E-PL5 sensor (16 Megapixel). It will be interesting to see if the camera will get rid of the Anti Aliasing filter to squeeze out the last bit of sharpness and resolution.
Anyway, for now those are the posisble characteristics of the new E-P5:
- 16 megapixel sensor
- No integrated viewfinder
- Price around $1,000 with kit lens
- New external viewfinder as optional (2,44 million dot)
- Announcement in late April/early May and availability in June
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Rumors classification explained (FT= FourThirds):
FT1=1-20% chance the rumor is correct
FT2=21-40% chance the rumor is correct
FT3=41-60% chance the rumor is correct
FT4=61-80% chance the rumor is correct
FT5=81-99% chance the rumor is correct
Frank Koehntopp (@koehntopp)
4 months ago |How’s that different from the E-PL5 then…?
Balázs Kiss
4 months ago |Maybe finally a fully articulated screen?
NFT
4 months ago |maybe vdo features better than PL/PM or EM-5
Miroslav
4 months ago |It’s going to have a fixed screen, couple of buttons more, retro styling and will cost twice as much. Those are some significant differences
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Milan
4 months ago |Or to put it in a different way: It will cost like the OM-D but without:
- Weather sealing
- Tilting screen
- EVF
- 5-axis IS
Sounds like a good deal to me.
So I guess we’re all missing something. Maybe it WILL have integrated EVF. Or maybe the external EVF is included in the price. Or maybe the 2.8 zoom is included in the price. And maybe it will have the 5-axis IS. And be weather sealed.
We’ll have to wait and see because the info posted until now just makes no sense by itself.
Michael
4 months ago |So for an extra $200 I get all those extras? The new PEN sounds like a pretty crappy deal to me.
peevee
4 months ago |Could be (in the order of decreasing probability):
Metal body (almost certainly)
Fn2
An extra dial
Built-in flash
No AA filter
5-axis IBIS
Weather-sealed (unlikely)
amalric
4 months ago |I think, like the Pen F, it could have a mechanical shutterspeed wheel in the front.
See this comparison:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/EP1/ZPENF.JPG
peevee
3 months ago |Of course the probability is very high that it will add a new processor (TruePic VII) as TruePic VI introduced in E-P3 is more than 2 years old now.
With it may come:
better video options (higher bitrates)
focus peaking
faster sequential framerates (faster than E-P3′s 3 fps is certain, but faster than 8 fps in E-PL5 is possible)
longer framebuffer
better AF tracking (the biggest problem area of m43 compared to good DSLRs), with or without on-sensor PDAF
WiFi and/or GPS might also be added, TG-1 had GPS 9 months ago so it is most probably, WiFi is easy with various SD cards as it is and already done.
Michael
4 months ago |I had an OMD and changed to a PL-5 with Zoom Kit lens and VF-2. There are minor complaints: B/W dynamic range too small, pictures are grey and white not black and white. Aperture not easy to set but this is important with a prime lens 1.8. Screen output to small due to 16 : 9 vs. 4 : 3 ratio. This minor bug can be fixed with an oly firmware update soon. Good points: Very fast and accurate AF. Small beautiful body. Excellent VF-2, better than Sony or Fuji!! Have fun
Photowang
4 months ago |Same deal here. Had a refurb OM-D for a short time, returned it, got a new E-PL5 body w/VF-3 for $700 total, plus an $80 rebate due from Olympus. $620 for OM-D-like image quality. Granted that the controls and screen suck, the resulting image is what your viewers care about, and not what is attached to the ass end of your lens. No question that the OM-D is an excellent camera, and if there didn’t exist an alternative at half the price, I’d still have one.
Back to the E-P5: $1000 w/out integrated EVF sounds about right. The E-PX series has always been about the upgraded screen, and more dials and buttons. We forget that the E-P3 originally listed for $900, and $100 more for the new sensor and better display should be expected.
OliverTwisted
4 months ago |There’s an option to increase the contrast in the menu and create a custom b/w setting. I have mine set at +2.
Benjo
4 months ago |…but for $1000 it’d best have something new to show…
Farrukh
4 months ago |What a shame. I love the look of the EP1/2/3 line, looks as if I’ll have to transition to the OMD line will.
Ross
3 months ago |Why? We don’t know very much about the specs or inclusions for this camera yet!
safsaf
4 months ago |pro style body .. for those who are willing to pay extra 300$ for an extra button or two.
this camera is will be a big disappointed for those who look for something new, and the long waiting not worth it ..the only benefit will be a lower price for the EPL-5
hortron
4 months ago |you’re probably not too far off the mark. if it had a few buttons and knobs, maybe a built in flash that’s decently strong, integrated wifi… all of these small features add up.
Duque
4 months ago |what a shame…..
OMD it is then. 3 PEN bodies w/o EVF is a bit much in my opinion, they should make the PL line the new PEN and up the game for the PEN to bring it more in line with the OM-D features/control.
So let’s wait and see what the new OM-D will bring to the table.
Camaman
4 months ago |I can already hear the cries!
Boooooo…!! It has a 1 year old sensor!!!
Harbinger
4 months ago |I’m fully expecting another 4 year cycle out of this latest sensor. No one drags the chain on sensor tech quite like Oly.
beep
4 months ago |Not true, Panasonic were actively withholding the latest tech, almost forcing them into Sony’s arms.
NFT
4 months ago |and today ,Sony will withhold the newest tech again… 5555
Elf
4 months ago |Please. If you are going to make ridiculous statements show us some documented proof…… thought so. Just off the top of your head BS,Is just that. BS.
Newposter
4 months ago |You would have thought for this price with no new sensor etc it HAS to have 5 axis ibis?
Ross
3 months ago |Who said it hasn’t?
Jack
4 months ago |Looks like the only benefit over the E-PL5 will be the larger PEN body and a pop-up flash (possibly).
I really think they will bundle the 17mm f/1.8 with this to go head-to-head with the Fuji X100S. Otherwise this model would be priced out-of-line with the E-PL5 and E-M5.
onlyme
4 months ago |And another thing it should have over the PL and PM is a 4:3 aspect ratio screen.
JimD
3 months ago |Why. The camera takes other aspect. Just because you are stuck in a rut don’t bog everybody else down with you. Glasses cannot fix your type of shortsightedness.
Dimap
3 months ago |Take it easy: I vote for the 43 screen too. As anybody who shoots in native format.
Dmitry
David
4 months ago |It is in the same price range of the OM-D… strange..
Ross
3 months ago |I don’t think so! First of all, the O-MD started with a higher price & then came down & secondly, we still don’t know all it’s specs & inclusions yet. Also, its price will also drop from initial RRP after some time or(and) as in the case here in Australia, some suppliers were discounting right from the start.
BLT
4 months ago |with that price tag, I agree that it either has to have the 5 Axis IBIS or be bundled with the new 17mm as a kit lens.
Otherwise the price is probably too steep for just adding a couple of buttons and a flash.
Sunny
4 months ago |Ok … so we were waiting 6, 7, 8 months for a camera with last years technology of M5 and E-PL5??? I can´t beleive that.
NFT
4 months ago |i guess oly not admit to use new exmor sensor likes A58(20MPX high DR) and oly will use 16MPX OM-D ss for along time.
because sony think about NEX before oly partner . T_T
Yun
4 months ago |Although OMD sensor is great but is quite a time ( 2012 ) & not deserve for such high pricing in EP5 .
Look at the Fuji & Sony , all their new products are armed with new sensors . mFT is too slow in this !
Let’s forget EP5 , & hope for a breakthrough from pana in their incoming products .
Yes , the famous GX series & the mysterious camera too .
joe
4 months ago |panny had many patentes about image sensor but they have many problems with manufactoring engineer,it might be outsorce for new image sensor on MFT
Anonymous
4 months ago |this is not true …I cant believe it
pete
4 months ago |NO! Why should they wait such a long time to present a camera like the pl-5 and pm-2 many month ago?
amalric
4 months ago |I dissent: the main feature of the new E-Px line is that it has touch-focus-shutter and the OLED screen, so it is quite a breeze to shoot with it, if you have a half-decent IBIS.
Add the 17/1.8 and you have a perfect street shooter – my only hope, to keep the expense tolerable, is that it has the same connector, so that one can provisonally use the VF-2 or 3.
Compared to the X-E1 it is more pocketable, and it has small pancakes available compared to the NEX.
I do hope they add an electronic feature or two, like sweep panorama and in camera HDR. The sensor is outstanding for the size, so no worries there.
Whiners ‘keep in your shut breasts your petty misery’ (Byron)
Rafael Rodriguez-Vargas
4 months ago |Exactly what I think them I think of the EP-X line. I think it will bring a few things people are not expecting and I still think it will be the king of streets (in my opinion of course).
Best regards!
amalric
4 months ago |Mind you, it it’s made more similar to the original Pen F, it might have a button in the front to select the shutterspeed: that would be neat.
Future lenses, at least some, then could have aperture selection on the barrel.
true home4
4 months ago |Daydreaming is fun…
As it stands there is nothing olympus can put on the ep5 other than a evf that can justify 1000$
amalric
4 months ago |That shows well that trolls are peasants with no imagination. Back in your den, unwashed.
Joe Schmoe
4 months ago |It takes one to know one, eh?
true homer
4 months ago |Youre talking about a comolete redesign of lenses and a shutter speed button on the front. From olympus. If im a troll for calling that daydreaming youre naive for believing that much in olympus
bart
4 months ago |Hmm, moving a dial and supporting one more ‘dial’ on the lens…
There are reasons why I don’t expect Olympus to do such a thing, but it requiring any major redesign work isn’t among them.
Actually, the only slight technical difficulty with Amalric’s daydream is that lenses with this additional aperture ring will require firmware updates to all current m4/3 cameras to support it. Since those cameras can still set aperture in the ‘traditional’ way, and changing firmware isn’t rocket science, this doesn’t seem a very big problem really.
An aperture ring might happen some day, but the shutter dial at the front? I own and use a PEN FT and Cosina Hi-lite, both of which have the shutter dial at the front. Its not a very convenient location really, and there are quite good reasons why by 1980 you were hard pressed to find any SLR having the dial in that position.
adaptor-or-die
3 months ago |this is most likely the trend. If the e-P5 has the OMD style dual top wheels, that would be a nice improvement. The thumb roller [e-p's 1-2-3 style] is handy but also easy to bump into a different setting … a solid thumb projection, again OMD style, this would make the a more useable e-P.
I’ll keep daydreaming simple. Add to the mag-alloy body, solid brass top and bottom strips. So when the paint wears on edges, you don’t get shiny alloy, but nice brass patina. Make the e-P5 semi-pro in construction. [avoid poppy-uppy flash silliness] Make it bomb-proof, solid and a camera that will last longer than these model change fashion trends.
The 16Mp sensor, and just a few changes like that, at $1000 it would be cheap as chips when compared. Of course I want internal EVF, but than isn’t in the cards.
JF
4 months ago |That makes sense, they don’t want to kill E-M5 (almost 1 year old) sales with a new camera that is a lower level…
CGL
4 months ago |Wake me up when it’s over. Then I’ll head over to B&H and buy a Fuji
hifinut
4 months ago |I feel sorry for those who have waited for the EP-5. Add on the external EVF it is price almost as much as EM-5 (current price $949 body only), but without the whether sealed and and possibly the 5-axis IBIS.
Looks like EP-5 would be outgunned by the new Canon EOS B mini DSLR with body having the same size as Panasonic G5.
Whirlwind
4 months ago |All we need is:
- a hi-res 4:3 ratio LCD (and swivel)
- 5axis IBIS
- extra dial(s) and fn button(s)
- bigger grip
- longer battery life
- some IQ tweaks
The main question is: how much for the body?
true homer
4 months ago |Youll MAYBE get the last thing fron your list
Rob
4 months ago |Can’t complain at all. It’s a really good sensor.
hifinut
4 months ago |I feel sorry for those who have waited for the EP-3. With the external EVF it is almost the same price as the EM-5 (current price $945 body) but without the whether sealed and possibly without 5-axis IBIS too.
If Oly is not careful, they could be outgunned by the new Canon EOS B mini DSLR which has the same size as Panasonic G5.
Anonymous
4 months ago |So, IOW, it’s the answer to the question that no one was asking.
Biggstr
4 months ago |Until you add the larger lens. NEX and Samsung mirrorless suffer from the same problem. Lens diameter/size is determined by the sensor size. Yes, you can mount a pancake lens, what beyond that? The beauty of micro 43 is the balance … “sweet spot” … of lens size, IQ, camera size, and weight. I toyed with a Nikon D7000 with zoom lens in a store the other day. OMG, what a beast! It is no wonder that my camera tended to stay on the shelf when I owned a Nikon system.
Anton
4 months ago |How many are they expecting to shift at $1,000?
Why can’t Olympus take a break from these development cycles? Is it just force of habit?
I honestly feel sorry for the people who write the marketing bumpf for these things. How many times can you say “unparalleled performance”, “responsive” and “life-like” every year?
Dave Lively
3 months ago |You forgot “world’s fastest auto focus”. The marketing department at Olympus must get a bonus every time they use that in a press release.
Alfred
4 months ago |big news is so exciting
George White
4 months ago |I still use my E-p3, and I’ll keep on using it apparently. No integrated VF = no go. It would be the only motive for me to exchange camera. I like the look of the Pen line, but I will not buy one without a EVF at the same price as a OMD, I’d rather have the OMD and that’s that. For the sensor benefit, I’d rather go the E-pl5 route, and save money for a new lens instead.
true homer
4 months ago |For 1000$ its a joke.
sepo
4 months ago |Come on guys, nobody knows anything right now. Stay calm and save the excietment for the release.
alex
4 months ago |exactly
Juan
4 months ago |Don’t bother replying to troll homung. E-P5 would be too expensive for him if it was $50. But GH3 with 12-35 for US$2400+ is bargain of the century.
bart
4 months ago |True Homer knows it doesn’t say ‘Panasonic’ or ‘Lumix’ anywhere on that E-P3 successor, which is all he needs to know to dismiss it.
true homer
4 months ago |Hahahahahahahaha…I actually have more olympus stuff than panasonic, Iim just not drinking the oly fanboy koooaid.The epl5 is a good deal, but a plastic pen with no view finder, 2 axis ibis, fewer buttons than the already lacking omd, no tilting lcd for 1000$ IS A JOKE.
Bart I bet the gigantic 12-40 from olympus sees you as a first buyer, and for more money too. Hahahahaha! But youll probably call it the perfect steet lens or something pathetic to justify it hahahaha
bart
3 months ago |First of all you consistently behave as pointed out by me and many others, if there is something panasonic you praise it, if there is something olympus you bash it. Next you whine about lack of people responding to lumix posts, and last but not least you only read whst you want to read, ignore everything that is inconvenient for you ‘point’ and always accuse others of the exact behavior you are showing yourself.
Where I live, we call your kind of behavior a Calimero complex.
Photowang
4 months ago |What I want to know is when do the new cameras begin to come with elaborate and over-produced unveiling events like the Galaxy S4?
Liad
4 months ago |I have to exhaust some steam
I DON’T CARE OF RUMORS THAT AREN’T ABOUT AN OMD 4/3 COMPATIBLE OR ANY OTHER SOLUTION TO MY 2,000 $ 4/3 LENSES ( 12-60 & 50-200 SWD ) MY OLYMPUS E520 IS DYING …
Nic Walmsley
4 months ago |So it’s wait for the next omd. Maybe it will be humpless.
Or Sony.
Nic Walmsley
4 months ago |And why the delay if it is same as other PEN 5 series?
Charles
4 months ago |I could wait for the new OM-d but what if this got the old sensor too (with pdaf tweaks)? So in the end, what are the features of the new e-p5? old sensor, IBIS?, touch-screen (tiltable?), not weather sealed, no viewfinder – what else?
Charles
4 months ago |Maybe the delay was due to sales reasons – 2 new cameras are enough at a time. What happened to Olys claim to simplify their product portfolio? Didn´t they say that two pens are enough? Now we still got this silly 3 models that don´t really differentiate from eachother.
Liam
4 months ago |Who cares about new cameras?
Get with it, Olympus, and round out the m4/3 lens lineup! :]
cds79m
4 months ago |It’s quite ironic the latest catch phrase on the Olympus advert on the back of amateur photographer magazine this week “Olympus – Your Vision – Our Future” Haven’t we all envisioned an E-PL5 with internal viewfinder?
Anonymous
4 months ago |“oly – our vision, your future.”
provide what the user base is longing for (pen body with integrated viewfinder + fast and high quality zoom, like FT 12-60) and you have a bright future.
keep on doing endless releases that bring nothing new to the table – and you will have only marginal business.
MarcoSartoriPhoto
3 months ago |Yes. And loosing (good) customers. I don’t know why, but I have a feeling that Olympus is going to disappoint many customers/fans this time..
Izumi
3 months ago |“Olympus – Your Vision – Our Failure”
m43fan
3 months ago |No, integrated viewfinders are useless.
Olympus E-P5 to use the same E-M5 sensor? - Blog for micro four third and competing cameras
3 months ago |[...] Source: http://www.43rumors.com/ft3-e-p3-successor-has-same-e-m5-16-megapixel-sensor/ [...]
dau
3 months ago |personaly speaking the pen series was never on my radar anyway. im a g3 user but am looking for an upgrade to either an omd or the next gen of panasonics line. my dream list of requisites are:
oly-like jpeg engine
5-axis ibis
built in evf and flash
fully articulated lcd
intuitive menu system (like lumix)
i know these will never all occur in the same camera but its nice to dream!
Sqweezy
3 months ago |Here’s hoping the signature feature of the flagship PEN will be on-sensor PDAF support. No one seems to be considering this, yet Oly reps had said to expect something “big”. Besides, this tech has already been made possible in other mirrorless systems. A brand new hybrid auto focusing system would be the only feature that would somewhat justify its steep price, but even that’s a stretch. The best thing about this possibility would be the trickle-down effect to future m43 bodies.
amalric
3 months ago |Once you eliminate the built in EVF, what is the BIG feature is anybody’s guess. Making more manual controls to resemble the Pen F would be consistent with the leaks, but it might also be a cosmetic redesign.
Touch shutter and OLED 4:3 screen are already fine for street shooting, but the E-P3 already had them. If the kit includes a 17/1.8 or even a 2.8 zoom for a reasonable price, the camera will sell no problem.
Will there be a new killer feature? Again Oly could argue it’s the new 2 Mpx VF which will probably need an update of the processor’s speed. That in turn could introduce some new electronic feature.
Anonymous
3 months ago |Olympus claimed half a dozen times that the 12mp sensor was “new” in different cameras
rrr_hhh
3 months ago |Any word on the LCD coming with it ?
I hope it will get the same flip up version found on the E-Pl5 !
amalric
3 months ago |The E-P3 avoided the flip up screen. for three reasons, possibly:
- It has the 4:3 ratio, instead of 16:9. The OLED might require additional circuitry
- No flip up makes the camera stronger and thinner. To move up and down the cable connector as it does on the E-PLx is criminal
- Touch shutter might be better achieved on fixed screen.
Flip screen is also inessential to me, since much that I shoot is in portrait orientation. Also I can use the EVF for tilting purposes.
Instead it is essential that the camera be rugged. My E-P2 is built as a proverbial tank. I would love if Oly learned from Leica how do build a rugged camera, while having the benefit of smaller.
Keep in mind that in the future Oly might introduce a wearable EVF, so I hope that the camera has improved Wi-Fi, without the need of a connector.
jeroen
3 months ago |all the best things (including camera bodies) never last. ep1,2 and 3, are imo the best looking and operating camera bodies of the digital age, but why should Oly care if they can make more dough with plastic bodies and humptastic overpriced stuff?
/rant.