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	<title>Comments on: (FT1) UPDATED -&gt; Crazy rumor: E-5 with new mount</title>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 03:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marky (first post) clearly doesn&#039;t understand anything about lens mounts.  It&#039;s not possible to use a m4/3s mount in a SLR because of the mirror.  Not enough space.  Using the 4/3s mount in a m4/3s camera negates all the benefits that m4/3s is supposed to bring.  (size/weight)  Any other brand that comes out with a mirrorless camera will have a new mount.  Carrying over their DSLR mount would be crazy.

@Edgaras  I don&#039;t think it&#039;s possible to put a m4/3s lens on a 4/3s camera and get it to focus.  The focus distance is set to about 2cm, vs about 4cm in 4/3s.  Lens adapters can only mount lenses from a system with a longer flange distance than the system you are adapting to.  This is why you haven&#039;t been able to use M-mount lenses on another system until now.  Something might be possible, but the fact it hasn&#039;t been done yet means it&#039;s too expensive/unacceptable quality or just not possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marky (first post) clearly doesn&#8217;t understand anything about lens mounts.  It&#8217;s not possible to use a m4/3s mount in a SLR because of the mirror.  Not enough space.  Using the 4/3s mount in a m4/3s camera negates all the benefits that m4/3s is supposed to bring.  (size/weight)  Any other brand that comes out with a mirrorless camera will have a new mount.  Carrying over their DSLR mount would be crazy.</p>
<p>@Edgaras  I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s possible to put a m4/3s lens on a 4/3s camera and get it to focus.  The focus distance is set to about 2cm, vs about 4cm in 4/3s.  Lens adapters can only mount lenses from a system with a longer flange distance than the system you are adapting to.  This is why you haven&#8217;t been able to use M-mount lenses on another system until now.  Something might be possible, but the fact it hasn&#8217;t been done yet means it&#8217;s too expensive/unacceptable quality or just not possible.</p>
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		<title>By: (FT4) The E-3 successor definitely has a FourThirds mount! And new FourThirds lenses are coming?</title>
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		<dc:creator>(FT4) The E-3 successor definitely has a FourThirds mount! And new FourThirds lenses are coming?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:53:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of my best sources told me the E-3 successor will have the normal FourThirds mount. The crazy rumor we posted yesterday is really [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of my best sources told me the E-3 successor will have the normal FourThirds mount. The crazy rumor we posted yesterday is really [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 09:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about new mount by adding some new contact points for future new functions in lenses - it would count as new mount and would be compatible with all (old) 4/3 lenses - I&#039;m sure there is a way to do it.

Then new &quot;full&quot; 4/3 lenses would be usable with all functions on m4/3 (which has more contacts via new adapter)  

meaning - video functions in 4/3 dslr or maybe new IS functions (with motion sensors in lenses – i should patent it  .
I would be followed by new updated lenses (SHG first)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about new mount by adding some new contact points for future new functions in lenses &#8211; it would count as new mount and would be compatible with all (old) 4/3 lenses &#8211; I&#8217;m sure there is a way to do it.</p>
<p>Then new &#8220;full&#8221; 4/3 lenses would be usable with all functions on m4/3 (which has more contacts via new adapter)  </p>
<p>meaning &#8211; video functions in 4/3 dslr or maybe new IS functions (with motion sensors in lenses – i should patent it  .<br />
I would be followed by new updated lenses (SHG first)</p>
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		<title>By: AT</title>
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		<dc:creator>AT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 05:41:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though it seems crazy, but I think it is also possible for Olympus to survive in the market.  Because of the success of M4/3 for compact-sized camera with the quality of 4/3 sensor, it is wise for Olympus to develop a new mount with larger sensor to compete with other brands, especially with the quality of 35mm Full Frame D-SLR.  It is a wise decision from both marketing or professional point of view to quit 4/3 and to launch a new mount which can still be compatible with the old 4/3 standard with an adapter, while enlarging the rooms for future development.

Go ahead, Olympus!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though it seems crazy, but I think it is also possible for Olympus to survive in the market.  Because of the success of M4/3 for compact-sized camera with the quality of 4/3 sensor, it is wise for Olympus to develop a new mount with larger sensor to compete with other brands, especially with the quality of 35mm Full Frame D-SLR.  It is a wise decision from both marketing or professional point of view to quit 4/3 and to launch a new mount which can still be compatible with the old 4/3 standard with an adapter, while enlarging the rooms for future development.</p>
<p>Go ahead, Olympus!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Marq</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On reading this, I have to think its suicidal on Olympus&#039; side to move to a totally new mount without ensuring backwards compatibility.

At the same time, I think they are smarter than that.  I don&#039;t recall which one, but I believe from interviews with Olympus it was readily implied often that they plan to stick with their 4/3 mount for at least some more time - suggesting the small sensor technology is more than capable of standing up to the 1.5/6 and full frames.

Before knowing about the 9 - 11 pin mount discussion my first thought was that Olympus would design a weather sealed mount around the m4/3 mount, then release a m4/3 to 4/3 adaptor to ensure compatibility with all lens - crucial given that they need to cater towards current E1 / E3 users which should be the main focus of their design.  In this manner, they may come up with a brilliant new EVIL camera that can go very slim with pancakes and lens under the m4/3 or booster size with the big guns they are famous for.

I really need better AF performance as I need to get better pics of my toddler moving, and being toddlers, that&#039;s getting no easier with time!!

Having read the 9 - 11 pin mount discussion, I think its fair to believe Olympus wants people to think an upgrade IS a new mount...whatever.

In the meantime, I have still to lament about the AF speed of my lovely EP1...I sold my canon kit to move to Olympus, and whilst still not having any regrets - CANON IS SOOO YELLOW - I am beginning to ponder if I might have had other alternatives.  Fingers crossed for an early E5 announcement from Olympus so I can put my concerns to lay!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On reading this, I have to think its suicidal on Olympus&#8217; side to move to a totally new mount without ensuring backwards compatibility.</p>
<p>At the same time, I think they are smarter than that.  I don&#8217;t recall which one, but I believe from interviews with Olympus it was readily implied often that they plan to stick with their 4/3 mount for at least some more time &#8211; suggesting the small sensor technology is more than capable of standing up to the 1.5/6 and full frames.</p>
<p>Before knowing about the 9 &#8211; 11 pin mount discussion my first thought was that Olympus would design a weather sealed mount around the m4/3 mount, then release a m4/3 to 4/3 adaptor to ensure compatibility with all lens &#8211; crucial given that they need to cater towards current E1 / E3 users which should be the main focus of their design.  In this manner, they may come up with a brilliant new EVIL camera that can go very slim with pancakes and lens under the m4/3 or booster size with the big guns they are famous for.</p>
<p>I really need better AF performance as I need to get better pics of my toddler moving, and being toddlers, that&#8217;s getting no easier with time!!</p>
<p>Having read the 9 &#8211; 11 pin mount discussion, I think its fair to believe Olympus wants people to think an upgrade IS a new mount&#8230;whatever.</p>
<p>In the meantime, I have still to lament about the AF speed of my lovely EP1&#8230;I sold my canon kit to move to Olympus, and whilst still not having any regrets &#8211; CANON IS SOOO YELLOW &#8211; I am beginning to ponder if I might have had other alternatives.  Fingers crossed for an early E5 announcement from Olympus so I can put my concerns to lay!!</p>
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		<title>By: BangkokDan</title>
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		<dc:creator>BangkokDan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope I sold my E-3 gear including beautiful glass at the right time last year!

I&#039;d be all in if we get the best of the m4/3 world. 

Olympus would be again a step ahead.

But if so good prime glass would be a precondition. So far Olympus neglects prime glass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope I sold my E-3 gear including beautiful glass at the right time last year!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d be all in if we get the best of the m4/3 world. </p>
<p>Olympus would be again a step ahead.</p>
<p>But if so good prime glass would be a precondition. So far Olympus neglects prime glass.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Polis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Polis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Jan 2010 01:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Generally, I can&#039;t see them changing the mount in any way that leaves them without a full catalog of lenses.

@Adrian Lewis: I wonder how that thread got past without me commenting on it or seeing it.  But yes, the move to 11 pin is a good idea, and marketing would call it a new or upgraded mount.  The beauty of it is that it should be able to fail gracefully...

@YeahYeah: Yes you can limit the maximum f ratio physically, once you are past the last optical element.  Once past the last element, the light must be at the resulting focal length, and given you have a limiting circle of 28mm diameter, approximately 40mm out from the sensor, the maximum f/ratio is f/1.4  (ie 40/28) for the 4/3 mount.  It can be slightly higher for adapted lenses, but the square recess the sensor sits it still limits the maximum to about f/1.3.  Anything wider than that gets cut off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Generally, I can&#8217;t see them changing the mount in any way that leaves them without a full catalog of lenses.</p>
<p>@Adrian Lewis: I wonder how that thread got past without me commenting on it or seeing it.  But yes, the move to 11 pin is a good idea, and marketing would call it a new or upgraded mount.  The beauty of it is that it should be able to fail gracefully&#8230;</p>
<p>@YeahYeah: Yes you can limit the maximum f ratio physically, once you are past the last optical element.  Once past the last element, the light must be at the resulting focal length, and given you have a limiting circle of 28mm diameter, approximately 40mm out from the sensor, the maximum f/ratio is f/1.4  (ie 40/28) for the 4/3 mount.  It can be slightly higher for adapted lenses, but the square recess the sensor sits it still limits the maximum to about f/1.3.  Anything wider than that gets cut off.</p>
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