Cgarrard Photokina speculations…

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Cgarrard from Alphamountworld (which is no more a Sony website alone) posted his product predictions for Photokina. The list includes Olympus and Panasonic also:

Panasonic- Panasonic will likely be pretty quiet in comparison to the other makers at Photokina, yet could show us all one big surprise. Panasonic has released quite a bit of new products lately so I doubt they have much left in the pipeline to show us. It is doubtful however that Panasonic will not have at least some good juicy news to show at the worlds largest Photo event. I expect many more small compacts, possibly one big announcement of a finished product, or a hint a developing more 3D products as well. I think we’ll see a product ready to market for m4/3 cameras that will allow for 3D imaging (they recently announced development for the worlds first 3D lens for interchangeable cameras).

Olympus– I expect big news from Olympus. It has been a quiet volcano on its DSLR front for quite some time and I expect a big eruption of products with some seriously new innovation. Olympus typically never lie down without a fight and I can’t see them doing it now, especially with the momentum its Pen division has given the company. Many of its DSLR’s are due for replacement, and, it is time for Olympus to show the industry just how committed they will be to this segment. Olympus should be top two news of Photokina.

We from 43rumors do not agree with his Panasonic predictions (we believe Panasonic will release some very nice products) but I hope he is right about Olympus beeing the “top two news of Photokina”. I guess this depends a lot from the quality of the E-3 successor…

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  • Duarte Bruno

    I too expect lots of things from lots of people.
    This post sets a new record for FT0 because he doesn’t even know what he’s talking about… 🙁

    • elliot

      And note how ambiguous all his predictions are. If he knew anything he’d say it. He’s just showing us he knows nothing at all.

  • Admin

    That’s why I didn’t gave any rumor value. It’s only a speculation.

    • elliot

      But why do you give it or him ANY credence? He’s a former Sonty fanboy who is now spending hours every day posting pro Pentax/Ricoh/Panasonic/Olympus (anything but Sony) posts on dpreview forums. No life.

      Also remember that just a few days ago he posted a blank ‘review’ page for one of the unannounced Sony cameras (yeah, like Sony was going to give him a review copy) then took down the page after it generated the expected buzz and site visits.

      The guy’s just an attention-seeker. Don’t feed the trolls.

  • CRB

    If he was wrong we probably be knowing by now, right? this site has showed no reason to doubt his statement…is been two years from the G1 and yet panasonic didn’t develop a better sensor for their cameras…tell me where, how the LX5 is a big innovation …?…panasonic yet need to show innovation on the IQ department for pros…so in the end I guess he’s right…

    • Duarte Bruno

      “…is been two years from the G1 and yet panasonic didn’t develop a better sensor for their cameras…

      What’s the GH1 then?

      “tell me where, how the LX5 is a big innovation”

      Look around for the DR in the LX5 sample pictures. It’s hard to miss.

      “so in the end I guess he’s right…”

      Well I guess he is wrong when he says: “I think we’ll see a product ready to market for m4/3 cameras that will allow for 3D imaging”. I think that what we will see is a GH1 sucessor instead. The 3D camera is already old news.

      As fas as Olypmus goes he’s even more vague. He says he sees an eruption of new products. Even though a hybrid camera might draw some attention, I expect no more than 2 cameras coming out at PK: the E-5 and the E-P3. That’s hardly an eruption…

      • CRB

        The GH1 is a great video camera with the same poor DR as the G1 and a litlle better noise at high iso, at expense of banding according to their own users…
        The LX5 samples do not prove any better DR…the cnet samples were shot at iA and not RAW…if anything they prove the camera is exposing better with less highlights blown…thats all..
        I mean hes right when he says no big news from Pans…the G2 and G10 confirms that…more of the same, but now with touchscreen and video…same IQ…i actually sold my G1 since my raw conversions showed almost none highlights recover ability and nise above iso640 was the same as my old nikon D50 at 1600…as for Oly i hope hes right, but i pretty much was talking about panasonic…
        regards…

        • Duarte Bruno

          Cheers CRB

          quoting: “The GH1 is a great video camera with the same poor DR as the G1 and a litlle better noise at high iso, at expense of banding according to their own users…”

          Not according to some dpreview users that report a lot less shadow noise (even though the highlight retention is apparently similar). This is improved DR. DxoMark tests show that DR is where the GH1 really shines compared to the G1: http://www.dxomark.com/index.php/en/Camera-Sensor/Compare-sensors/(appareil1)/630%7C0/(appareil2)/450%7C0/(onglet)/0/(brand)/Panasonic/(brand2)/Panasonic
          You might have to look at the GH1 as an altogether different beast from the m43 crowd of cameras… 😉

          About the LX5, the first samples I saw (at base ISO) were the first ones I ever saw that didn’t seem to come from a compact (regarding DR and per pixel sharpness), but there are a lot of compacts that already push DR over my poor E-510 at base ISO 🙁 Now, if this is iA exposure working and a JPEG engine trickery there is little way to know before some credible site starts crunching some RAW files, but the JPEG files are impressive IMHO.

        • spanky

          “The GH1 is a great video camera with the same poor DR as the G1 and a litlle better noise at high iso, at expense of banding according to their own users…”

          Don’t let the truth stop you from spreading FUD regarding the GH1 capabilities. The GH1 has much better DR than any of the other MFT cameras out there, and banding is an issue limited to a very narrow range of usage which 99.9% of users will never encounter. At two years old it’s still the best MFT camera out there, and it’s right up there with larger-sensor cameras like the NEX, Canons, and Nikons. I’m not sure how good you are at processing RAW files, but I routinely recover a ton of highlights and shadows from my GH1 images through PP.

          Does it compete against APS-H and FF sensor cameras in IQ? For the most part and at low ISO, most definitely! It doesn’t have the same DR as the large sensor cameras, nor does it have the low-light capability they have, but then again it never claimed to have those. It certainly competes well against entry- and mid-level APS-C DSLRs. They’re all different tools for different purposes, and there’s no value gained in disparaging one brand or one camera in order to raise the fictitious value of another – let each stand on its own.

  • If it is true that Olympus was on the verge of anouncing the E5 some month ago and they stoped it, then I also agree that they will come up with something worth of being top two news at Photokina.

    Regards

    • Inge – M.

      I think the is a E-40(maybe by GH1 sensor) so they stoped early in year, but Olympus started an do the E-xx line Modular.

  • Luke

    I predict that anyone who reads this comment will see what I have typed.

    • Duarte Bruno

      You Sir, you know more than he does. 🙂
      LOL.

    • achiinto

      You must have used the Force, Luke.

  • CRB

    The GH1 is a great video camera with the same poor DR as the G1 and a litlle better noise at high iso, at expense of banding according to their own users…
    The LX5 samples do not prove any better DR…the cnet samples were shot at iA and not RAW…if anything they prove the camera is exposing better with less highlights blown…thats all..
    I mean hes right when he says no big news from Pans…the G2 and G10 confirms that…more of the same, but now with touchscreen and video…same IQ…i actually sold my G1 since my raw conversions showed almost none highlights recover ability and nise above iso640 was the same as my old nikon D50 at 1600…as for Oly i hope hes right, but i pretty much was talking about panasonic…
    regards…

    • Inge – M.

      The is 1.1/3 step beter DR on sensor to GH1, an the is on G1, according to Dxomark.com.

      • CRB

        Well, according to IR and dpreview theres no difference at all (real one)….and lets not forget that even if it was truth the GH1 still is more expensive than the D5000 for instance…and still would be behind in DR…according to dpreview theres no ability to recover highlights from even 1 stop exposure(over)…

  • jt

    I’m hoping Olympus steps up the video capabilities in their cameras. Unlike Panasonic/Canon/Sony Olympus has no pro video cameras to protect. They could implement some killer video. But will they?

  • CRB

    Well, according to IR and dpreview theres no difference at all (real one)….and lets not forget that even if it was truth the GH1 still is more expensive than the D5000 for instance…and still would be behind in DR…according to dpreview theres no ability to recover highlights from even 1 stop exposure(over)…

  • Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody has one.

    I don’t know why anyone bothers to post this stuff. there’s no substance or value. I could write a bunch of preditions too, but they wouldn’t be any more accurate – and certainly no less ambiguous – than these.

  • Photo

    Everybody is talking about DR, IQ, Banding, High-ISO-noise but how many of these people had ever made a very good photo?

  • Aex

    Agree with Spanky. I like my GH1 and regularly recover highlights. Key is in understanding your tool and operating it correctly. So use the dang thing before talking like u know it all, please. Reviewers are great for reference but reviewers have procedures to follow. What seems to work best with most Canons and Nikons does not necessarily bring out the best in Oly or Panny. Every camera has its quirks. The quirk with GH1 is if you treat it like a D700 or 5DII, it’s obviously not gonna work the way you want!
    I’m a big fan of the Nikon D700 but D5000 >> GH1? It’s so laughable it’s not even funny.
    And what is a Nikon fan boy doing in a 43 rumor discussion?
    As for the rumors and speculations, they are fun to read, not to argue over. If ridiculous, laugh! If sensible, nod your head and hold your breath! Or just laugh anyway. 😉

  • BS Artist

    I heard that Olympus was discontinuing micro-4/3 and announcing a new, nano-12/9 standard.

    😉

    Obviously, all of us Olympus users are on edge, but I guess we can wait another month until Photokina.

    All the digital cameras that I have ever owned over the past 10 years have been Olympus, and I have generally been very satisfied with the products. I went with the E-30 about 18 months ago because of the fast write time and the higher megapixels than the E-3. I have been very happy with the camera but disappointed in the way Sigma discontinued the 135-400 and the 50-500. I had to find those lenses on eBay. I bought the camera for travel as well as sports photography. I am not sure that the Pen line fits the needs of photographers wanting to use the extra 35mm equivalent reach of the 4/3-u4/3 sensor for sports with a the 2X EC-20 and 50-500mm. We’ll just have to wait and see where Olympus is heading.

    I’d love an E-30 full-size camera with additional megapixels, faster speed in memory write and autofocus times, more longer lenses (at amateur prices and not $6K for a 300-800mm), weather-sealed, and with full 30 fps 1080×1920 HD video. Also, I love the adjustable LCD on my E-30 that has allowed me to get shots from difficult angles and locations by holding the camera extended at arms length and using the LCD to compose the shot.

    I paid around $1,300 for the E-30 when it was new, and I could see paying up to $2,000 for a camera with the features that I listed.

    Taking long-range sports photos at a reasonable price and. With a reasonable length lens in the stadium stands only makes sense with something like a 4/3 sensor, EC-20, and 50-500mm lens to get close to around 2000mm as a 35mm equivalent. Doing something similar with another camera is pretty tough.

    The Panasonic GH-1 is interesting, although I hope the next generation is even better with 30 fps HD video and an improved sensor.

    Although I like the micro 4/3 I am not sure that the micro 4/3 cameras are designed for long-distance sports and nature photography, which is what Olympus touted to convince me to go with the E-30.

    Also, while using the hot shoe port for a modular view finder is ingenious, I was already using the hot shoe on my E-30 for a GPS for geotagging my travel photos. As I compose most of my photos (except the awkward to reach locations) through the view finder, using a hot shoe port for an eye-level view finder function would wipe out the hot shoe based geotagging.

  • Alfons

    I figured out why Olympus E-5 is delayed!

    It’s not amazing high ISO performance.

    It’s not better dynamic range.

    It’s not video features.

    It is a new grip surface! http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/17/glock-rtf2-finish-on-the-glock-22-thousands-of-polymer-spikes/

    XD

    • ROFLOL, where do you find the time…

      • Alfons

        Additional delay of three to four months is to be expected if they are going to implement a gyroscopic in body image stabilisation. It’s on trials already!

        • Inge – M.

          Ahhhha nice Alfons, the new E-5 can shutter picture and shoot bullet, and camera and weapon combo IS in side to also!
          Is you not sure on the not is modular camera to Olympus you mean.

  • Aex

    The answer to m43 sports photography: Fujifilm Hybrid AF!

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